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Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

04 Oct 2009 at 12:18 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriaanz#Shiro

While it is true that the maps are mostly Saltspray, Grenz and Ancestral, I highly disagree with the 'luxons being superior'.

The last 3 weeks, I've played every morning, and getting like 12 victories straight, and maybe 1 loss. In the kurzick outposts, there are alot of groups waiting, and when I ask a friend to check out the luxon outpost, it is almost empty. (this is around 12 A.M. GMT+1 until 4 P.M. GMT+1).

This is true, but Luxon's still win enough to keep it in Kurzick territory. I know I only play AB with guild groups (luxon).

AggroHappy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2009

Temple of Ages

Passionate Kiss of Doom [KISS]

R/A

04 Oct 2009 at 16:14 - 82

I am one of those "not so hot" Kurz players (PvE Ranger on your team in AB? I recommend resigning), and I'm fine with Ancestral. Fun map.

I've never seen any other map than Grenz.

Ambitious

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2009

E/R

04 Oct 2009 at 17:08 - 83

It's already been stated, I think. JQ and FA are easy wins for the Kurzick (because of a multitude of reasons, including leeching on the Luxon side, small advantages in favor of the Kurzicks, and the fact that there are just a lot more Kurzick then there are Luxon)

It's just a big toilet. The number of players on either alliance will never change, and there's nothing the devs can do about that (the problem relates to personal taste, if that helps). A host of problems stems from it, including our AB problem and the alternative JQ/FA easy win situation.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

04 Oct 2009 at 20:06 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriaanz#Shiro

While it is true that the maps are mostly Saltspray, Grenz and Ancestral, I highly disagree with the 'luxons being superior'.

The last 3 weeks, I've played every morning, and getting like 12 victories straight, and maybe 1 loss. In the kurzick outposts, there are alot of groups waiting, and when I ask a friend to check out the luxon outpost, it is almost empty. (this is around 12 A.M. GMT+1 until 4 P.M. GMT+1).

Dude, it's all Grenz and Ancestral. Saltspray is just a myth now.

Thenameless Wonder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/

04 Oct 2009 at 22:18 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Its cause Kurzicks suck at AB.. we even have a thread on this in the corresponding PvP AB Forum.

Hmmm....it seems that whenever I've played on the Kurzick side in AB matches we won and on Luxon side, lost...

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

04 Oct 2009 at 23:27 - 86

every match? stop lying.

Smarty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Me/

05 Oct 2009 at 08:35 - 87

Grrr post eaten by my daily 9.30am disconnection (screw you BT! /shakefist). I think what I said was... I had an 18-hour day ABing as a kurzick on Friday and didn't lose more than a handful of matches, but still the map only switched back and forth between Ancestral and Grenz. I can't believe that my personal win-loss ratio is *that* far out from everyone else's so I've no idea what's up with the map rotation.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

05 Oct 2009 at 08:41 - 88

I think AB will be the next form of PvP due for a revamp if it keeps going this way.

Taurus ChicKa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2009

Isle of Meditation

R/

05 Oct 2009 at 20:06 - 89

I play on the Luxon side and no matter what we always lose. I must be on at a bad time then if someone is saying Kurzicks suck at AB.

xenosagafreak

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2009

In Utero

Mo/W

05 Oct 2009 at 20:31 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taurus ChicKa

I play on the Luxon side and no matter what we always lose. I must be on at a bad time then if someone is saying Kurzicks suck at AB.

The only chance Lux to win nowadays is when their guild groups come out to play, or if Kurz has absolutely braindead allies.

Other than that, it's easy modo.

Try playing at around 8pm PST to around 12am PST.

Show Some Skin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

Dead.

[Game]

Rt/

05 Oct 2009 at 20:36 - 91

I like playing ab with the maps with grass

idk what the names are lol...but everytime i do i get yelled at by people because ab is full of rage and serious business

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Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

05 Oct 2009 at 21:56 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Show Some Skin

I like playing ab with the maps with grass

idk what the names are lol...but everytime i do i get yelled at by people because ab is full of rage and serious business

Etnaran Keys.

I actually had to look that up, because I haven't been there for so long.

Adriaanz#Shiro

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Guild Hall

Super Kaon Action Team [Ban]

R/E

06 Oct 2009 at 14:31 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by cebalrai

Dude, it's all Grenz and Ancestral. Saltspray is just a myth now.

Nope, it's not ^.^

I also agree with the guy that is a few posts above me, that I myself also can't believe that my personal win-loss ratio is that far away from the total win-losses, especially when you're getting over 40 timer restarts (not exaggarating here!)

God_Hand

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

W/

06 Oct 2009 at 20:57 - 94

The reason the line is always in Kurzick territory is because Kurzick monks don't equip Shield Bash or Balanced Stance so they keep dying to WC/PS assassins every 30 seconds. I've seen many a Kurzick group (and one Luxon group, surprisingly) with no healer, which is suicide.

I've played Saltspray I believe a total of three times. The Kurzick side has won once while I was present. I've also played Etnaran once (I almost had a heart attack when I realized we were in Luxon territory), and we lost then.

I've played more matches in Ancestral's or Grenz ALONE than I could count to before I got bored.

I'd say that the Luxons win more because they run better and more synergistic builds than the Kurzicks.

But this is all just mere speculation. The reason the Kurzicks' side sucks so bad is because my guildmates and I are on the Kurzicks' side. There we go, mystery solved.

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Oct 2009 at 03:30 - 95

Hmph, this thread sounds like the situation got even worse compared to spring (last I played GW and I kept statistics of AB maps for a couple weeks)

I've been saying that AB needed a random rotation practically since release, but anet obviously likes this "territory control" stuff and won't get rid of it.

Arcole

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The other side of the rainbow

Medieval Knights of Darkness [MKOD]

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07 Oct 2009 at 03:54 - 96

I am personally do not care if they change around the map rotations. No matter what the map is, the better team wins, theres really not that big of a bonus to either side.

After being luxon for ~2 years and kurzick for about another year, I feel it is safe to say that the luxons are superior at AB. This is of course relating to pugs - luxon pugs tend to be generally bad but they at least understand how to stay together and cap. Kurzick pugs on the other hand are even worse and tend to mob/split easily; I hate nothing more then being a kurzick pug group leader and having every single person in the group completely ignore me and go join the general mob.

I will say though that the win:loss ratio is much different in guild play. On both sides, if I was running with guildies then my win percentage jumped from 1/4 (kurz)|2/3rds(lux) to the mid 90's. If you can even have a single group on your side who knows what their doing (ab is srs bsns) then you have a much higher chance of winning no matter what side you are.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

07 Oct 2009 at 04:39 - 97

I miss 2007, when the good Kurzick players still played.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

08 Oct 2009 at 21:23 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriaanz#Shiro

Nope, it's not ^.^

I also agree with the guy that is a few posts above me, that I myself also can't believe that my personal win-loss ratio is that far away from the total win-losses, especially when you're getting over 40 timer restarts (not exaggarating here!)

I play AB for 1-3 hours per day, split up in 3-4 sessions at various hours. I have not seen Saltspray in about 6 weeks and even then it was for just 1 hour before going back to grenz then Ancestral.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

08 Oct 2009 at 21:25 - 99

Where's Regina on this?

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

08 Oct 2009 at 22:06 - 100

JQ outputs much, much better faction rewards for the Kurzicks, so those left behind in AB are hardly representative of what it used to look like when there were a bunch of good players on both sides :/

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

13 Oct 2009 at 09:06 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by pansy malfoy

JQ outputs much, much better faction rewards for the Kurzicks, so those left behind in AB are hardly representative of what it used to look like when there were a bunch of good players on both sides :/

Bump for Regina or devs....

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

22 Oct 2009 at 05:37 - 102

Shameless bump.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

22 Oct 2009 at 05:53 - 103

The passage of a month and a half has not altered the fact that the problem is intractable. You can make it such that players on both sides play AB. But there will then be a thread about how both JQ and FA are empty within hours.

The only way to get people on both sides to play AB is by Smiter's Booning the faction gain in both FA and JQ, leaving both ghost towns (eg: first year after Factions release). The only other possible outcomes are that AB is a ghost town and that AB is dominated by one side.

One thought is that FA and JQ could provide some other desirable reward than Luxon/Kurzick faction. I bet people would play them (and ABs would also stabilize) if FA and JQ gave away zkeys like they were RR.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

25 Oct 2009 at 09:09 - 104

An easy and effective solution would be to make the maps change randomly. Nobody actually cares if the kurz or lux are "winning" at the present time...

kiddster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Ohio

Republic Of Shadows [RoS]

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30 Dec 2009 at 19:50 - 105

Every day more and more Luxons are winning on Kurzick maps, And the more they win the more tactful they grow in learning how to win on those maps. Ancestral Lands is no longer an issue, The likelyhood of Luxons winning is pretty much the same as any other map, If you have good players. It becomes unfair for Kurzick, And the low faction gain makes alot of people just not interested in AB. Simply, Just increase the faction gain and an Automatic Rotation would help, Because i personally get incredibly bored winning over and over again. Let's add a little challenge now..

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Dec 2009 at 20:10 - 106

Everyone knows that all the kurzicks sit out at JQ and things will always remain this way until something it done to shake things up a bit. Honestly, it's time to throw JQ and FA into the AB rotation to determine their use.

Solution, if either are behind enemy lines, your faction gains ain't worth **** until you pull some weight and get your territory back. With luck, this will get those bots out of the equation as well.

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

30 Dec 2009 at 21:32 - 107

A few weeks ago a well known Luxon AB alliance went Kurzick and helped move the maps all the way to Kaanai. They got bored playing with other shitty Kurzicks and went back to Luxon, so now we're back in Ancestral.

It's proof it's all about the players. Kurzicks don't have them.

Sunyavadin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

N/

30 Dec 2009 at 23:45 - 108

I honestly believe, as others have commented, that the solution lies in nerfing the faction gained from JQ/FA while the line is inside your territory. End result? Less players in them while the line is inside one side's territory. And we'd see Grenz/Saltspray/Etnaran (Or maybe more likely Grenz and Saltspray) frequently, but Kaanai or Ancestral would be less frequently seen, as the better PVPers on both sides would start playing more AB as soon as their faction gain started taking hits...

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

31 Dec 2009 at 00:11 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

A few weeks ago a well known Luxon AB alliance went Kurzick and helped move the maps all the way to Kaanai. They got bored playing with other shitty Kurzicks and went back to Luxon, so now we're back in Ancestral.

It's proof it's all about the players. Kurzicks don't have them.

^This.
MANY guilds that began as Kurz, have gone Luxon...because we have maxed the title already. (Kurz)
That could be causing a few ripples in the fabric.

Qing Guang

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2008

California

Lucid Spirits [LIFE]

N/A

31 Dec 2009 at 20:29 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

A few weeks ago a well known Luxon AB alliance went Kurzick and helped move the maps all the way to Kaanai. They got bored playing with other shitty Kurzicks and went back to Luxon, so now we're back in Ancestral.

It's proof it's all about the players. Kurzicks don't have them.

Naw. We're just ticked off. The people among us who actually have a clue got tired of playing with the regular crapass Kurzes and gave up. There're only so many times you can shout "4-4-4" and "Cap, dammit!" before you lose all faith in the playerbase.