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r0bert8841

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01 Sep 2009 at 01:04 - 281

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Originally Posted by superraptors

ehhh, you probably fail at HB so stop shitting on it.
How would ab rival gvg, its full of pvers farming for outposts. It's popular in the sense that you and the rest of the 90% of guildwars is pvers.
It's pretty much got a tournament implementation of which ever alliance has the most faction control an outpost.

If anything they shoulda removed that instead of ta and hb, if they wanted to make pvp better.

o yea, dont critisize the format without have playing it.

LOL if AB had tournament support all the PvE'rs would be gone after a few weeks do to meta builds broken format and losing every game. Same story evrywhere you go.

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01 Sep 2009 at 01:09 - 282

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Originally Posted by superraptors

ehhh, you probably fail at HB so stop shitting on it.
How would ab rival gvg, its full of pvers farming for outposts. It's popular in the sense that you and the rest of the 90% of guildwars is pvers.
It's pretty much got a tournament implementation of which ever alliance has the most faction control an outpost.

If anything they shoulda removed that instead of ta and hb, if they wanted to make pvp better.

o yea, dont critisize the format without have playing it.

HB would be completely empty if not for its tournament support. AB is generally considered a low level pvp form because it is not particularly competitive. however, add in tournament support with in game prizes, and its overall level of play will shoot up literally overnight.

don't believe me? let's imagine HB without tournament support shall we? close your eyes and imagine. what do you see? i see an empty outpost.

Black Sewon

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01 Sep 2009 at 01:30 - 283

so... Moriz, so what rewards do you get from playing GW? you have to understand that people are playing game for fun. tournament support? that is a option for hb players who likes to play. Now they want to remove hb, not tournament from hb.

Tearz1993

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01 Sep 2009 at 01:32 - 284

The reason people WANT HB to be deleted is because they see it as the only way to get the 4v4 sealed deck created.

Because, you know, they obviously can't enlarge the map.

IrishX

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01 Sep 2009 at 01:42 - 285

Anet may have had coding issues while removing heroes from Tombs and GvG (I'm not really sure if this is possible, as I know nothing about code, it's just a theory). If the code says that everything in X area=PvP, and they do not have specifications for HA, GvG, HB, etc, then they may have had issues keeping them in HB (which, for the purpose of this theory=PvP), as well as removing them from GvG and Tombs (which is also tagged as PvP). The only arguement I can think of against this (if this is a possible problem) is that TA has never allowed heroes, but that never allowed NPCs in the first place, HA, GvG, and HB may have an NPC value of 1, which TA has an NPC value of 0, and Anet does not have a specification for Heroes and Henchmen.

If someone who knows more about this field can confirm or deny, I, and probably some others, would be incredibly happy. Especially me, since I am almost never right about this kind of stuff.

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01 Sep 2009 at 01:47 - 286

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Originally Posted by Black Sewon

so... Moriz, so what rewards do you get from playing GW? you have to understand that people are playing game for fun. tournament support? that is a option for hb players who likes to play and now they want to remove that.

yep, people play for fun. personally, i see absolutely nothing fun about HB. it ultimately broils down to who can abuse the retarded AI the best. at least with AB, i'm still playing with and against other people.

and i'd think the community at large generally agrees with me. HB, despite with tournament support and tangible prizes, remains a very sparsely populated outpost. if i have to delete a pvp form for whatever reason, HB would be the first on my list. it is, after all, the least popular arena.

personally, Anet is removing HB not because they don't like it. i suspect the real reason is that they are also trying to get rid of heroes in pvp, and having a pvp arena that's based on heroes would result in some rather messy coding. given how poor Anet's QA is, i can't really blame them for reducing as many variables as possible.

EDIT: IrishX is likely right. Anet want to take the quick and easy way out by flagging all pvp arenas as no heroes, and HB would need to be an exception to the rule. that could potentially lead to some seriously broken shit down the line.

E_M_P

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:00 - 287

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Originally Posted by moriz

yep, people play for fun. personally, i see absolutely nothing fun about HB. it ultimately broils down to who can abuse the retarded AI the best. at least with AB, i'm still playing with and against other people.

Just because you do not find it fun, does not mean other players find it fun either. Who are you, or Anet, or any one but ourselves to judge what is fun in the game? Even though there are AI abuses in HB, there are many well played HB matches that are actually fun and exciting to both play and watch. If you are to mention abuses, there are abuses in all of GW. AB has NPC duping abuse, Kanyon map walk over wall abuse, RA has bots farming title, GvG has people abusing a whole variety of things. The only difference is that Anet failed to take action on the issues in HB, and as a result, HB becomes broken as you say it is. Now, Anet wants to remove HB despite largely ignoring players suggestions/ideas/feedbacks over the past 2yrs on how to improve HB?

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Originally Posted by moriz

and i'd think the community at large generally agrees with me. HB, despite with tournament support and tangible prizes, remains a very sparsely populated outpost. if i have to delete a pvp form for whatever reason, HB would be the first on my list. it is, after all, the least popular arena.

Simply because it is not as popular as other formats, does not justify its removal. The HB community may be small, but it has some dedicated players. We are all players who play the game, why deny the HB community of their significance simply because there is fewer people? Not caring/does not like HB is a weak argument to defend the removal of HB. I know many PvE players who does not care/like PvP, does that mean Anet should remove PvP as well?

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:17 - 288

if you truly feel this way, then convincing me is not going to do anything. you can try your luck and convince ANet.

like i said above, part of the reason for HB removal is likely technical. but still, if given limited resources, and having to remove an arena to better manage those resources (Anet's words, not mine), i'd cut HB every single time.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:18 - 289

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Originally Posted by moriz

HB would be completely empty if not for its tournament support. AB is generally considered a low level pvp form because it is not particularly competitive. however, add in tournament support with in game prizes, and its overall level of play will shoot up literally overnight.

don't believe me? let's imagine HB without tournament support shall we? close your eyes and imagine. what do you see? i see an empty outpost.

Without tournament support, without ladder, without obby. I see....Greater variety of builds. No dual melders (That is designed for winning matches whilst boring the crap out of yourself) More players in the format due to less lame (Since no rating gain/loss you can show more bravery and not run prison builds.) No need to try and build wars other guy in tourney. Noway to send messages to anet via account names and leaving mAT final.

Now what do I see when I close my eyes and think of an AB tourney............OW OW OUCH MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!!!

Tearz1993

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:20 - 290

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Originally Posted by IrishX

Anet may have had coding issues while removing heroes from Tombs and GvG (I'm not really sure if this is possible, as I know nothing about code, it's just a theory). If the code says that everything in X area=PvP, and they do not have specifications for HA, GvG, HB, etc, then they may have had issues keeping them in HB (which, for the purpose of this theory=PvP), as well as removing them from GvG and Tombs (which is also tagged as PvP). The only arguement I can think of against this (if this is a possible problem) is that TA has never allowed heroes, but that never allowed NPCs in the first place, HA, GvG, and HB may have an NPC value of 1, which TA has an NPC value of 0, and Anet does not have a specification for Heroes and Henchmen.

You can only bring 2 heroes into HA, but yeah I think otherwise you're pretty spot on. It's a blanket removal of heroes.

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Now what do I see when I close my eyes and think of an AB tourney............OW OW OUCH MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!!!

I think you missed the point.

Black Sewon

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:20 - 291

I agree that Anet trying to get rid of heroes in pvp, but what hb players are trying to say is that it's too late for remove it (if they wanted to remove it then hb shouldn't be exsist at the first place but sorry its been over 2 years already) GW2 is comming soon and for the most hb players, hb is only reason that they're playing for this game. so is it ok to get rid of hb with people who playing hb? since this is the least popular arena? I can see on your reply that you don't like hb at all and many people are exciting about to see the new fromat of pvp. hb and ta players would been excited as much as you guys do if they didn't say anything about remove them. what would you do if they're trying to get rid of something that you been playing for 2 years? say yay? I hope you guys understand this, why? beucase we need more support from you guys to save hb and ta.

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:21 - 292

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Without tournament support, without ladder, without obby. I see....Greater variety of builds. No dual melders (That is designed for winning matches whilst boring the crap out of yourself) More players in the format due to less lame (Since no rating gain/loss you can show more bravery and not run prison builds.) No need to try and build wars other guy in tourney. Noway to send messages to anet via account names and leaving mAT final.

Now what do I see when I close my eyes and think of an AB tourney............OW OW OUCH MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!!!

your self delusions are very funny. please, keep it up for my entertainment.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:24 - 293

ok as long as you continue to suggest stupid things like an AB tournament, I'll try my best.

Question: Would you be instantly able to enter this AB tourney or would the counter have to count down from 30 to 0 and then repeat that cycle 15 times before you enter it? Just curious...

E_M_P

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:25 - 294

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Originally Posted by moriz

if you truly feel this way, then convincing me is not going to do anything. you can try your luck and convince ANet.

A petition is already made in the HvH section to try and convince Anet to rethink its decision on removing HB.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10398610

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:28 - 295

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

ok as long as you continue to suggest stupid things like an AB tournament, I'll try my best.

an AB tournament would be no less stupid than a HB tournament. it would likely be better, since the format is (surprisingly enough) better conceived and executed.

you may insert your self delusions below.

EDIT: nevermind! you've managed to insert your self delusions ABOVE! very clever of you. please, continue. it is so very fun to see you thrash around like a drowning animal.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:30 - 296

Did you get that word from you psychiatrist?

moriz

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:32 - 297

no, i got it from the education that you do not have. zinnngggggg.

please, resorting to baseless insults is fun and all, but i think you don't want to play this game with me. it might ruin whatever self respect you still possess.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:34 - 298

Ah your educated in being self deluded. Correct I skipped that one Zinnnggggg!

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:35 - 299

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Ah your educated in being self deluded. Correct I skipped that one Zinnnggggg!

that's coming from a guy who's bested by dunkoro. i'm quaking in my boots.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:36 - 300

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Originally Posted by moriz

that's coming from a guy who's bested by dunkoro. i'm quaking in my boots.

you're really strengthening the whole self deluded argument for me dude

FoxBat

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:37 - 301

I'd still rather see them remove tournaments, then see it turn to a ghost town, then remove HB. Much less QQing that way. You can argue that HB is fun and that's in the eye of the beholder, but you can't argue that it's truly competitive, as all of the high-level HBers will disagree.

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:41 - 302

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

you're really strengthening the whole self deluded argument for me dude

why don't you prove it? oops, you can't.

fact: tournament support is the only thing keeping HB alive. remove it, and it dies. the format cannot survive on its own.

fact: AB is alive and well (despite having atrociously poor level of play). it does not require tournament support to stay alive. indeed, it is popular enough to have tournament support, if anet is ever inclined to add it properly.

when your favorite arena cannot even compete with AB in terms of popularity, it might be time to get out of it. of course, you can continue to delude yourself.

r0bert8841

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:43 - 303

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

an AB tournament would be no less stupid than a HB tournament. it would likely be better, since the format is (surprisingly enough) better conceived and executed.

you may insert your self delusions below.

EDIT: nevermind! you've managed to insert your self delusions ABOVE! very clever of you. please, continue. it is so very fun to see you thrash around like a drowning animal.

LOL these haters never seem to stop amazing me at the stupid comments they say. AB is better executed than HB? I am sorry but if AB was actually competitve and it came down to very small details that decide the best of matches, many many flaws will be found in ab. It will consist of MMs Monks Solo capping eles and cripshot rangers. And the best part about the AB NPCs are just as stupid as Heros except you can't even micro the AB NPCs. I LOL everytime i see Kurzik Rit with 5 spirit stacked right on top of each other. And Healing Burst Monks LOL. Dude STOP TROLLING.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:46 - 304

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

fact: tournament support is the only thing keeping HB alive. remove it, and it dies. the format cannot survive on its own.

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Originally Posted by moriz

why don't you prove it? oops, you can't.

Soz put your sentences back in the correct order for you

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:48 - 305

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Originally Posted by r0bert8841

LOL these haters never seem to stop amazing me at the stupid comments they say. AB is better executed than HB? I am sorry but if AB was actually competitve and it came down to very small details that decide the best of matches, many many flaws will be found in ab. It will consist of MMs Monks Solo capping eles and cripshot rangers. And the best part about the AB NPCs are just as stupid as Heros except you can't even micro the AB NPCs. I LOL everytime i see Kurzik Rit with 5 spirit stacked right on top of each other. And Healing Burst Monks LOL. Dude STOP TROLLING.

you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

would AB still be the shithole of player quality, if it was given proper tournament support? obviously no. player quality will rise as skilled players pour in, lured in by prizes. other good players will join later on, because there are now good competition to play against.

would HB still be competitive, if tournament support is taken away (or was never given)? obviously no. very few people would find it fun to micro around retarded AI. skilled players will leave, and other players will leave from lack of competition. it will end up like AB is now, except with 1/10th the playerbase.

r0bert8841

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:48 - 306

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

I'd still rather see them remove tournaments, then see it turn to a ghost town, then remove HB. Much less QQing that way. You can argue that HB is fun and that's in the eye of the beholder, but you can't argue that it's truly competitive, as all of the high-level HBers will disagree.

I find it very competitve at higher levels its but reallly competitve at watever level you are at. Because of the ladder you are most often facing someone nearly as good as you and they are often very close. Thats wat makes it so much fun, that rush of adrenaline you get after winning a very close match to someone just as good as you. And many people would not quit if tournys were removed because their is still a ladder and still the only format you don't need other people.

slowerpoke

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:50 - 307

I think TA would have been better suited to monthlies and a ladder than HBs. Not to say it would have turned out better, i mean it would probably have ended up as hb/ta did, and that's largely neglected.

evenfall

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:50 - 308

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Originally Posted by moriz

don't believe me? let's imagine HB without tournament support shall we? close your eyes and imagine. what do you see? i see an empty outpost.

HB starts out without rewards. There was no commander title, just some minimal balthazar faction. Both AT and the commander title were added ~half a year later.
It is popular enough at that time to have ~50 consecutive match wins without any no opposing party.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:51 - 309

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Originally Posted by moriz

you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

would AB still be the shithole of player quality, if it was given proper tournament support? obviously no. player quality will rise as skilled players pour in, lured in by prizes. other good players will join later on, because there are now good competition to play against.

would HB still be competitive, if tournament support is taken away (or was never given)? obviously no. very few people would find it fun to micro around retarded AI. skilled players will leave, and other players will leave from lack of competition. it will end up like AB is now, except with 1/10th the playerbase.

So your point is that removing a competitive aspect from a competitive PvP Format makes it less competitive?

And you're saying that if you add this competitive aspect to a different competitive Format, that will become more competitive.

You sir are a genius!....Sure wish I had this gift of foresight....

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:53 - 310

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Originally Posted by evenfall

HB starts out without rewards. There is no commander title, just some minimal balthazar faction. Both AT and the commander title were added ~half a year later.

then let's imagine if anet DIDN'T and AT to HB. heck, let's assume anet didn't even add the ladder initially. where would it be now? i'd say completely dead. people will play a new format when it comes out purely for the novelty of it. frankly, i doubt HB is the kind of arena that will actually keep players there.

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:55 - 311

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

So your point is that removing a competitive aspect from a competitive PvP Format makes it less competitive?

And you're saying that if you add this competitive aspect to a different competitive Format, that will become more competitive.

You sir are a genius!

i'm saying that HB does not deserve tournament support to begin with, because it is not strong enough without it for it to survive.

you sir are a genius at comprehension. not.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:57 - 312

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Originally Posted by moriz

people will play a new format when it comes out purely for the novelty of it.

ABsolutely agreed, you heard it right here, Thankyou for this wonderful admission.

This kinda goes against the excitement of this new format we're deleting HB and TA for. Go ahead worm your way out of that with your mindless bullshit insults.

r0bert8841

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:58 - 313

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Originally Posted by moriz

you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

would AB still be the shithole of player quality, if it was given proper tournament support? obviously no. player quality will rise as skilled players pour in, lured in by prizes. other good players will join later on, because there are now good competition to play against.

would HB still be competitive, if tournament support is taken away (or was never given)? obviously no. very few people would find it fun to micro around retarded AI. skilled players will leave, and other players will leave from lack of competition. it will end up like AB is now, except with 1/10th the playerbase.

I do not have the gift of Foresight but neither do you. But what I do have is experience and the same things happen with every format. If AB were overrun with skilled players all the current players would get frustrated at constantly losing and move on to JQ/FA because if they actually were any good at pvp they'd be doing another format. Ab will also be run over by meta builds, just like every other format. Now can I ask you why dont PvE'rs TA? HA? HB? GVG? because getting frustrated with losing and meta builds that don't allow them to be creative drive them away. Why wouldn't the same happen to AB? And you would have no idea what would happen if tournament support was removed from HB. I know many players who don't even do tournaments. I for one only do tournaments when one comes up when I am playing. Noone schedules their day around when tournaments are, they just play their ussual times and if a tourny is at that time they play it but if its not they just HB. People HB because it is a place to play so competitive pvp without relying on stupid teammates or spending an hour making a group. Not for the rewards.

DreamWind

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01 Sep 2009 at 02:58 - 314

I still find it funny that people are defending HB. The BEST defense you can possibly have for the format is "it is a mostly dead format that people only go to farm and it would be good IF they completely removed a map and a class from the game and if AI was smarter". Sounds like a great defense.

If Anet is removing HB for shits and giggles, I agree it makes no sense. But as it stands now they have admitted that they can no longer fix the format and are using its removal for a new and hopefully improved format.

Of course...I am a person who would remove all of PvE if it meant more focus on PvP, so I'm sure my post will be taken with a grain.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 03:00 - 315

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I still find it funny that people are defending HB. The BEST defense you can possibly have for the format is "it is a mostly dead format that people only go to farm and it would be good IF they completely removed a map and a class from the game and if AI was smarter". Sounds like a great defense.

If Anet is removing HB for shits and giggles, I agree it makes no sense. But as it stands now they have admitted that they can no longer fix the format and are using its removal for a new and hopefully improved format.

Of course...I am a person who would remove all of PvE if it meant more focus on PvP, so I'm sure my post will be taken with a grain.

No thats the defense you just made up. If not then quote it.

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01 Sep 2009 at 03:03 - 316

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Originally Posted by r0bert8841

I do not have the gift of Foresight but neither do you. But what I do have is experience and the same things happen with every format. If AB were overrun with skilled players all the current players would get frustrated at constantly losing and move on to JQ/FA because if they actually were any good at pvp they'd be doing another format. Ab will also be run over by meta builds, just like every other format. Now can I ask you why dont PvE'rs TA? HA? HB? GVG? because getting frustrated with losing and meta builds that don't allow them to be creative drive them away. Why wouldn't the same happen to AB? And you would have no idea what would happen if tournament support was removed from HB. I know many players who don't even do tournaments. I for one only do tournaments when one comes up when I am playing. Noone schedules their day around when tournaments are, they just play their ussual times and if a tourny is at that time they play it but if its not they just HB. People HB because it is a place to play so competitive pvp without relying on stupid teammates or spending an hour making a group. Not for the rewards.

if the current AB arena is left alone, with a ladder+tournament system built on top of it (as in, two arenas effectively. one is what we have now, the other allows full 12 man teams or something similar), then what you said simply won't happen. casual players will continue to play the casual form of AB. once they get enough guildies, they form up and go into the ladder/tournament form of AB. it's the best of both worlds, and it's also easy to implement. all the groundworks for it is already in place.

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01 Sep 2009 at 03:03 - 317

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Originally Posted by moriz

then let's imagine if anet DIDN'T and AT to HB. heck, let's assume anet didn't even add the ladder initially. where would it be now? i'd say completely dead. people will play a new format when it comes out purely for the novelty of it. frankly, i doubt HB is the kind of arena that will actually keep players there.

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you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

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i'm saying that HB does not deserve tournament support to begin with, because it is not strong enough without it for it to survive.

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you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

I am not even going to bother with you moriz I am just going to do what taliana's doing

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01 Sep 2009 at 03:05 - 318

Having intimate relations with a hedgehog? How did you know!

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01 Sep 2009 at 03:06 - 319

Talania Vulcanclaw:
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r0bert8841:
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I am not even going to bother with you moriz I am just going to do what taliana's doing

double the entertainment then. after all, you two are so very similar.

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Having intimate relations with a hedgehog? How did you know!

poor hedgehog.

Talania Vulcanclaw

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01 Sep 2009 at 03:08 - 320

Dam he found out my character name was from my Assassin...*ponder*...This guy is wayyy to smart for me to outwit.

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poor hedgehog.

must admit I did feel a bit of a prick