any ideas bout next update?
lustnlood
is it gonna be done first of all? if yes wt u think is gonna be in it?
zelgadissan
Next week will be a skill balance to be met with cheers by few and bitching by many many others, along with removal of the henchmen contest guy if he isn't already gone by then.
Definitely no skill balance this week, they might get rid of the henchmen contest guy today since this is the deadline - but it might be getting pushed back since the PAX incident.
Definitely no skill balance this week, they might get rid of the henchmen contest guy today since this is the deadline - but it might be getting pushed back since the PAX incident.
El Presidente
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Originally Posted by lustnlood
is it gonna be done first of all? if yes wt u think is gonna be in it?
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What will be in it? Whatever the content ~ some will be happy...others pissed. 'Nuf said...
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
Next week will be a skill balance to be met with cheers by few and bitching by many many others, along with removal of the henchmen contest guy if he isn't already gone by then.
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lemming
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
Depending on how it affects my entries, I might actually complain about there being a skill balance next week. An update immediatly after the deadline seems like a very unfair thing to do, as it could render a lot of submissions useless.
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Martin Alvito
You have to figure they'll tag the R/A bar, the Mind Blast bar, VoR and Primal. Maybe the Contagion build as well. Anything else degenerate falls in the "plausible but improbable" category, as those fixes are either less needed or harder to balance properly. All you need to do with the listed four skills is hit recharge or energy cost and you're good. Contagion will be trickier to fix.
B E A S T M O D E
@ martin...they already nerfed vor last update and primal a long time ago...
@ lustnlood...in a week, they will probably make up another lame excuse as to why they failed to do the skill balance and promise it for the week after that...also they will probably remind us that they are working diligently on XTH
@ lustnlood...in a week, they will probably make up another lame excuse as to why they failed to do the skill balance and promise it for the week after that...also they will probably remind us that they are working diligently on XTH
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by tehlemming
You'd be an idiot if you submitted an R/A bar.
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Fortunatly I am not an idiot.
I might say I am an idiot for submitting bars with the elites Onslaught and Gust though.
I think my point still stands though. There are times when A Net makes some changes to skills that nobody has really paid attention to, or nerfed some that really didn't need it.
Bristlebane
lol, who knows maybe we will see "Discord Heroes" :P
and no, I did not submit any Discord hero builds :-)
and no, I did not submit any Discord hero builds :-)
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by B E A S T M O D E
@ martin...they already nerfed vor last update and primal a long time ago...
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runchippyrun
VoR is balanced in a 8v8 format imo in TA it is barley over powered due to the fact that their is only one monk in a team normaly/////Primal is not over powered it is a elite its makes u take double damage so u cant run relics or flags with it a good team will spike the warriors every so often.... and ur rebudle?
slowerpoke
what happend with expanding the so called live team? their updates are getting less and less. skill balance updates are now supposed to be every 2months, anything else just seems to randomly appear.
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by runchippyrun
VoR is balanced in a 8v8 format imo in TA it is barley over powered due to the fact that their is only one monk in a team normaly/////Primal is not over powered it is a elite its makes u take double damage so u cant run relics or flags with it a good team will spike the warriors every so often.... and ur rebudle?
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Monk bars are tight. You shouldn't have to give up a slot in your build due to the combination of two skills. Sure, you could revert Backfire back to 30 if you wanted and solve the problem that way. But either way, the VoR bar in its present form is clearly OP in 4v4.
I agree that Primal is not OP in GvG, but there's a reason it's everywhere in HA. If you don't run it and they do, they spike more often than you, and you lose all else equal. You can't spike the warriors constantly; good ones anticipate visually and cancel, so you're spiking 96/106 armor targets to what purpose? Sure, you can't run relics with PR, but the Warriors should be off disrupting the opposition while casters run.
GvG is not the only format that needs to be balanced. You've already admitted that nerfing PR/VoR won't impact GvG in any way. So fixing them for the formats they need fixing in does no harm and does significant good.
Krill
Wouldn't really say VoR was balanced last time, you could get cheap kills in high pressure situations with backfire + VoR, but unstacked (what the update did) both skills are still quite punishing.
I'll be happy if they fix R/As (kill to be exact) and tone down the mind blast template. It would be nice to see some other minor things like sanctity, resolve and e-prism looked into, but I doubt they are going to do a big update.
I'll be happy if they fix R/As (kill to be exact) and tone down the mind blast template. It would be nice to see some other minor things like sanctity, resolve and e-prism looked into, but I doubt they are going to do a big update.
Lagg
Fix everything.
Guild Wars becomes even more awesome than it used to be, three years ago.
ArenaNet wins Nobel Peace Prize.
Guild Wars becomes even more awesome than it used to be, three years ago.
ArenaNet wins Nobel Peace Prize.
Dorny
Ain't this topic a bit useless because we were told there would be an update next week (Regina, I think?)?
Somehow, Ive got the impression that if some pvx bars were sent as is, we will get somewhat piled high and deep... <_<
Aint the focus of this balance gonna be dervs, as they cant do much more than what sins and warrs cant do?
Somehow, Ive got the impression that if some pvx bars were sent as is, we will get somewhat piled high and deep... <_<
Aint the focus of this balance gonna be dervs, as they cant do much more than what sins and warrs cant do?
FoxBat
New "Update" just loaded, the henchie pollster is gone, R/As are still hella broken.
Neo Nugget
There was just an update not too long ago in game, but I'm sure that's not the update you are referring to. :P
No idea what it was though. Not up on the wiki or main site.
That's probably it. 
Edit: Yep, now it's up on the wiki.http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates/20090910
No idea what it was though. Not up on the wiki or main site.
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New "Update" just loaded, the henchie pollster is gone.
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Edit: Yep, now it's up on the wiki.http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates/20090910
runchippyrun
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
VoR is still OP in 4v4. Coupled with Backfire, it compels 4v4 players to either run dual hex rip, run a fail hex rip like Remove Hex, or face a VERY heavy pressure window for ten seconds out of every minute. And that's before we consider the ability to remove hexes from the remainder of the team or the possibility of Diversion.
Monk bars are tight. You shouldn't have to give up a slot in your build due to the combination of two skills. Sure, you could revert Backfire back to 30 if you wanted and solve the problem that way. But either way, the VoR bar in its present form is clearly OP in 4v4. I agree that Primal is not OP in GvG, but there's a reason it's everywhere in HA. If you don't run it and they do, they spike more often than you, and you lose all else equal. You can't spike the warriors constantly; good ones anticipate visually and cancel, so you're spiking 96/106 armor targets to what purpose? Sure, you can't run relics with PR, but the Warriors should be off disrupting the opposition while casters run. GvG is not the only format that needs to be balanced. You've already admitted that nerfing PR/VoR won't impact GvG in any way. So fixing them for the formats they need fixing in does no harm and does significant good. |
Primal is just as strong as previous Warrior metas i believe it doesn't need a nerf.
On the other hand VoR is Strong in 4v4 But nerfing it in 4v4 will make it too weak to use in 8v8. So if they do nerf VoR what mes will be the 4v4 meta? mesmers would be almost useless in 4v4 which would force more balanced and less hex pressured meta games back into 4v4. like regina said the reason they are removing TA is because its just a big constant meta game. I say they dump RA as well but thats how 70% of the players first start pvp out doing.
stretchs
There was a tiny update today, but it was pretty small, and no notes posted yet
MisterB
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There was a tiny update today, but it was pretty small, and no notes posted yet
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* Dizhou [Xunlai Pollster] has been removed from the Great Temple of Balthazar.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates/20090910
stretchs
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Z'HA'DUM
There will be the good, the bad and the ugly.
People will clap their hands and cheer, others will rip their garments apart in despair.
Many happy faces will be seen, but much more sad faces will dominate the scenery.
There will be shouts of praise and words of threat.
The content ones will put on their best sunday clothes, while the hypocrites will wear sackcloth and mourn in the marketplaces.
The happy will eat, drink and enjoy themselves. The murmurers will fast and pull long faces and cover their skin with ashes.
Amen.
People will clap their hands and cheer, others will rip their garments apart in despair.
Many happy faces will be seen, but much more sad faces will dominate the scenery.
There will be shouts of praise and words of threat.
The content ones will put on their best sunday clothes, while the hypocrites will wear sackcloth and mourn in the marketplaces.
The happy will eat, drink and enjoy themselves. The murmurers will fast and pull long faces and cover their skin with ashes.
Amen.
lutz
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VoR is still OP in 4v4. Coupled with Backfire, it compels 4v4 players to either run dual hex rip, run a fail hex rip like Remove Hex, or face a VERY heavy pressure window for ten seconds out of every minute. And that's before we consider the ability to remove hexes from the remainder of the team or the possibility of Diversion.
Monk bars are tight. You shouldn't have to give up a slot in your build due to the combination of two skills. Sure, you could revert Backfire back to 30 if you wanted and solve the problem that way. But either way, the VoR bar in its present form is clearly OP in 4v4. I agree that Primal is not OP in GvG, but there's a reason it's everywhere in HA. If you don't run it and they do, they spike more often than you, and you lose all else equal. You can't spike the warriors constantly; good ones anticipate visually and cancel, so you're spiking 96/106 armor targets to what purpose? Sure, you can't run relics with PR, but the Warriors should be off disrupting the opposition while casters run. GvG is not the only format that needs to be balanced. You've already admitted that nerfing PR/VoR won't impact GvG in any way. So fixing them for the formats they need fixing in does no harm and does significant good. |
It's the other magical skill that breaks the bar.
Fortunately, it's being fixed, a little bit too harshly I would say, but nevertheless being fixed.
Nerfing PR/VoR does impact GvG.
Krill
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Originally Posted by lutz
It's the other magical skill that breaks the bar.
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Bob Slydell
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Puddin Cheeks
no they will leave the R/A crap build alone cause they haven't figured to fix touch rangers in 4 years either. I'm tired of every R nub spamming Troll Unguent constantly. Not really a problem but just annoying to me.
Martin Alvito
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Regardless, hitting that skill won't solve the 4v4 problem I referred to. The bar simply produces more hex threats that must be countered than any single bar should be compelled to handle 4v4.
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Originally Posted by lutz
Nerfing PR/VoR does impact GvG.
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Are you arguing that a significant share of warriors will be carrying PR again after the impending nerfs?
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Originally Posted by runchippyrun
mesmers would be almost useless in 4v4 which would force more balanced and less hex pressured meta games back into 4v4.
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DreamWind
I don't think there is going to be a skill balance. I think the dog ate the balance sheet.
lutz
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Which was, coincidentally, a balanced skill for YEARS. If buffing other skills makes that skill overpowered, how are the buffs not the problem? I didn't understand this when the entire standard Mesmer bar was nerfed in lieu of nerfing Recovery, and I don't understand it now. Sometimes buffs are bad. Refusing to admit the error risks compounding it.
Regardless, hitting that skill won't solve the 4v4 problem I referred to. The bar simply produces more hex threats that must be countered than any single bar should be compelled to handle 4v4. I can see the argument with VoR. But I'm not seeing PR when I obs highly-ranked teams. If it isn't in the meta, and it doesn't counter some prospective build that could emerge and alter the meta, how does it matter? Are you arguing that a significant share of warriors will be carrying PR again after the impending nerfs? I seem to remember Soul Bind/condition pressure being everywhere before the VoR buff. Just because a build gets crowded out of the meta doesn't imply that it wouldn't be viable if another similar build leaves. You don't have to have mesmer hexes to pressure a team with hexes. |
First it was the really insane monk elites (LoD, WoH) that singlehandedly kept teams up, then the "overpowered" shutdown (Signet of Humility, Resolve+shutdown), then the defense stacking. If it wasn't for these single skills that are so powerful, we wouldn't be in this power creep situation.
GoreTor
bloodspam. kill it.
My New Name
kill expertise in PvP. It seems the only rational thing to do...
Meridon
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Originally Posted by DreamWind
I don't think there is going to be a skill balance. I think the dog ate the balance sheet.
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Originally Posted by Pelorin Eshmar
kill expertise in PvP. It seems the only rational thing to do...
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Scary
O nooooo, this is getting a other skill bashing thread.. plsss close
drunknzelda
I would be glad to see some seriour change to blood magic for a change, they tried nerfing it but it was a big fail and it's still a problem in GvG.
ele pl
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Redvex
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Lolwut? Expertise WAS ALWAYS a problem. How many times it was suggested? Doesnt matter, heres again the same suggestion: make Expertise work only with Ranger skills.
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Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by lutz
If it wasn't for these single skills that are so powerful, we wouldn't be in this power creep situation.
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Killing the cow for the milk is always a poor idea.
Xanthe Dashka
Aion will be released before the next huge update...
So yeah... Probably has no interesting content anyway to keep me in GW.
So yeah... Probably has no interesting content anyway to keep me in GW.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
what happend with expanding the so called live team? their updates are getting less and less. skill balance updates are now supposed to be every 2months, anything else just seems to randomly appear.
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