Fair warning to everyone out right now.
Lately, I've been finding myself getting Monks and sometimes Dervishes who find it funny to deliberately sabotage a group by pretending to have an actual build, but to find out they use skills such as Iron Mist, Karei's Healing Circle and Heal Area just to keep foes alive.
I'm certain as of right now that this isn't some new thing, but come on, Monks already get scapegoated for groups that fail, but now, it may very well get to the point I'll have to start questioning if a player's build is what they say it is.
Nonetheless, I just wanted to mention this to everyone. Anyone else have similar situations where a character deliberately wants to GO RED ENGINE a group from the beginning?
Deliberate Act of Sabotage
StormDragonZ
Black Metal
what, a pug?
Saph
That is, well, pretty retarded. Why would someone want to sabotage the group they are in? Unless its AB, JQ or FA. Are you sure they aren't just fail monks that have no clue what they are doing?
Rolandl
I think these are just newbies with little experience in pvp stuff and had just slapped on a build they had created. They may even had been trying to farm for zcoins with zcombat.
I was in RA the other day and my monk used rebirth on me......
Personally i don't mind coz everyone has to start somewhere. You could always pm them later and suggests they change their builds or suggests skills to take.
I was in RA the other day and my monk used rebirth on me......
Personally i don't mind coz everyone has to start somewhere. You could always pm them later and suggests they change their builds or suggests skills to take.
wilebill
Back in the days when Prophecies first came out, being a spoiler was a thing to do.
The idea was to wait until the mission was almost complete and then aggro everything in sight. Probably in PUGs it is still a thing to do.
Lesson: Do not pug.
The idea was to wait until the mission was almost complete and then aggro everything in sight. Probably in PUGs it is still a thing to do.
Lesson: Do not pug.
dr love
damn, that's pretty pro.
i'm not surprised though, i've considered doing something to that effect in pvp. bring vengeance or some total griefer skill
i'm not surprised though, i've considered doing something to that effect in pvp. bring vengeance or some total griefer skill
gremlin
Haven't come across that particular method yet but players screwing up or even blackmailing parties isn't new.
We had a monk ask for 1 p each before he would finish the mission and since he was carrying the item needed to continue we were stuck.
He waited till the last minute and aggro'd mobs to us until we died and then placed the pitch 1 p for a rez.
Point is idiots have been around for years, I have had good and bad pugs, its a lottery.
Find and join a friendly guild or go with heroes.
We had a monk ask for 1 p each before he would finish the mission and since he was carrying the item needed to continue we were stuck.
He waited till the last minute and aggro'd mobs to us until we died and then placed the pitch 1 p for a rez.
Point is idiots have been around for years, I have had good and bad pugs, its a lottery.
Find and join a friendly guild or go with heroes.
IronSheik
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He waited till the last minute and aggro'd mobs to us until we died and then placed the pitch 1 p for a rez.
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This still happens, I asked a monk to carry the spear in sunjiang and he demanded money and left when I didn't pay.
MisterB
R/Rt Spirit Spam LFG ZQ HM.(Party Search)
??iljo
No eoe?
no,wait,that only pisses ppl off in FA.
Anyway,its hard to lose now if some1 agrooes after doing the mission with pve skills and all that.
And how many missions are u actually doing with only 1 monk/rez.
no,wait,that only pisses ppl off in FA.
Anyway,its hard to lose now if some1 agrooes after doing the mission with pve skills and all that.
And how many missions are u actually doing with only 1 monk/rez.
M'Aiq The Liar
Wow, I'm glad the OP wasn't around when you could bring UA and troll your team in a mission, Edge Bomb alliance battles, or Pestilence Bomb Gunther.
mathiastemplar
Seems like you just find some good PUGs xD
Well.. General "rule" for pugs: Ping build, or leave/kick.
Well.. General "rule" for pugs: Ping build, or leave/kick.
Gill Halendt
Playing with people you don't know is often the most deliberate act of sabotage you could do to yourself.
Little O B S I
Light of Dwayna is a good grief skill, and Resurrect.. 0% energy is nais!
Shadowhaze
Vengence is kind of amusing in AB. Saw that a few times. People are like, "What the heck just killed me?!" XD
I've also run into players that want to be paid to do something. Stupidity.
Another thing I've run into a lot lately...leech city. They talk before entering, skip cutscenes, but do ziltch. I'm not gonna do all the work while they sit on their lazy...butt. If the others want to do so, fine, but I'll leave and the player gets on my ignore list for a time. PvP things, well report feature is all you've got. Either way, risk your own dishonor/ban for reporting someone for leeching. lol. Craziness.
I've also run into players that want to be paid to do something. Stupidity.
Another thing I've run into a lot lately...leech city. They talk before entering, skip cutscenes, but do ziltch. I'm not gonna do all the work while they sit on their lazy...butt. If the others want to do so, fine, but I'll leave and the player gets on my ignore list for a time. PvP things, well report feature is all you've got. Either way, risk your own dishonor/ban for reporting someone for leeching. lol. Craziness.
QueenofDeath
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Fair warning to everyone out right now.
Lately, I've been finding myself getting Monks and sometimes Dervishes who find it funny to deliberately sabotage a group by pretending to have an actual build, but to find out they use skills such as Iron Mist, Karei's Healing Circle and Heal Area just to keep foes alive. I'm certain as of right now that this isn't some new thing, but come on, Monks already get scapegoated for groups that fail, but now, it may very well get to the point I'll have to start questioning if a player's build is what they say it is. Nonetheless, I just wanted to mention this to everyone. Anyone else have similar situations where a character deliberately wants to GO RED ENGINE a group from the beginning? |
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Too many childish players in GW has ruined pugging and grouping with strangers.
Kattar
You've never seen people grief before? Like in any game ever?
Solas
Yeah some people are ****, that's life
Windf0rce
I'm inclined to say it is an isolated incident... In all seriously pugging is NOT as bad as people claim it to be unless they are really unlucky (or they act as pricks all the time and people grief them).
I have always PUG'd in GW, and recently even more so due to the ZMissions and Bounties. I have done several dungeons and missions now (Leg. Guardian, and only 4 dungeons left in HM), all done pugging, and the vast majority had good players, with 'horror stories' being the exception, not the rule. Normal mode missions are slighly worse because they usually have genuinely inexperienced players, but most players doing HM content have at least an idea on what works and what doesn't.
Of course, I play nice and do my best to not pick a fight. This part is important, because if you are an asshat, do not expect people to be nice towards you - they will grief you.
I have always PUG'd in GW, and recently even more so due to the ZMissions and Bounties. I have done several dungeons and missions now (Leg. Guardian, and only 4 dungeons left in HM), all done pugging, and the vast majority had good players, with 'horror stories' being the exception, not the rule. Normal mode missions are slighly worse because they usually have genuinely inexperienced players, but most players doing HM content have at least an idea on what works and what doesn't.
Of course, I play nice and do my best to not pick a fight. This part is important, because if you are an asshat, do not expect people to be nice towards you - they will grief you.
Deviant Angel
Vengeance was way more amusing in ursan pugs! 
*rez*
*ursan*
*thud* WTF! Why did I die?!
Silly ursans!
OP, did you actually ask the monks to ping their bars? If not, I seriously doubt their goal was to sabotage whatever you were doing. There are still players out there that don't install the game and head straight to PvX, so it's possible that they thought heal area was decent.
Keep in mind, spamming "GLF monk" doesn't always get you a UA or whatever it is you're hoping for. Sometimes it gets you 6 maintained enchants, gale, and rebirth!
*rez*
*ursan*
*thud* WTF! Why did I die?!
Silly ursans!
OP, did you actually ask the monks to ping their bars? If not, I seriously doubt their goal was to sabotage whatever you were doing. There are still players out there that don't install the game and head straight to PvX, so it's possible that they thought heal area was decent.
Keep in mind, spamming "GLF monk" doesn't always get you a UA or whatever it is you're hoping for. Sometimes it gets you 6 maintained enchants, gale, and rebirth!
ll Jamie ll
If you have mending and favourable winds in your bar you can counter those spoilers!
But anyway i do agree they can be annoying, but it happens and not much you can do apart from finding their build beforehand.
But anyway i do agree they can be annoying, but it happens and not much you can do apart from finding their build beforehand.
Shasgaliel
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But anyway i do agree they can be annoying, but it happens and not much you can do apart from finding their build beforehand. |
ll Jamie ll
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As if they are not able to change build after pinging it.... But then you know they did it on purpose.
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Revelations
Judas monk. Good times.
Life attunement and the ele crystals skills at 0 spec were also valuable tools in the Judas monk arsenal. UA got nerfed for it though
Drain delusions and aneurysm, each at 0 are similarly strong in PvP.
Life attunement and the ele crystals skills at 0 spec were also valuable tools in the Judas monk arsenal. UA got nerfed for it though
Drain delusions and aneurysm, each at 0 are similarly strong in PvP.
Zahr Dalsk
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Fair warning to everyone out right now.
Lately, I've been finding myself getting Monks and sometimes Dervishes who find it funny to deliberately sabotage a group by pretending to have an actual build, but to find out they use skills such as Iron Mist, Karei's Healing Circle and Heal Area just to keep foes alive. I'm certain as of right now that this isn't some new thing, but come on, Monks already get scapegoated for groups that fail, but now, it may very well get to the point I'll have to start questioning if a player's build is what they say it is. Nonetheless, I just wanted to mention this to everyone. Anyone else have similar situations where a character deliberately wants to GO RED ENGINE a group from the beginning? |
Martin Alvito
The difference between "suck" and "grief" should be apparent.
As others have pointed out, the problem is lack of enforcement. Since many other games have mechanisms that punish griefers, when someone wants lulz they come here. The combination of serious players and no consequences for the behavior is a magnet for griefers.
As others have pointed out, the problem is lack of enforcement. Since many other games have mechanisms that punish griefers, when someone wants lulz they come here. The combination of serious players and no consequences for the behavior is a magnet for griefers.
Zahr Dalsk
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So functionally they're the same; I actually respect a grief more because they're doing it for fun, whereas a shitty player does it because they suck at thinking.
Perkunas
There are people that do deliberately cause problems for laughs. This reminds me of when a guild mate and I was trying to get the last bonus, before the Shiro mission, in Factions to complete Protector of Cantha. We joined a pug, 3rd and 4th on party list. A warrior joined in the 5th slot. Everyone was asked to ping their skills. We started the mission and the warrior was running around with no armor and no weapon. He ran into a mob and died, was ressed, then died again. The aggro wiped the party. Back in the outpost, the leader quit the group as did the monk. We added another player and a hero monk. Started the mission again. Same results. Back in outpost everyone left except, myself, my guild mate and the warrior. I said in team chat, "We really need this bonus." The warrior added his heroes, I added 2 heroes. I restarted the mission, and this time the warrior was "dressed & armed". He led the way and we got the bonus. Afterward, he apologized for being a jerk, that he had been bored and was looking for some entertainment.
Often, it is not a newb that is the problem, but someone that knows better and is just griefing for "entertainment".
Often, it is not a newb that is the problem, but someone that knows better and is just griefing for "entertainment".
Shadowhaze
People that grief are worse than "bad" players because they should know better. If they're so bored they find that type of behavior entertaining, then they need to get out and away from the computer screen for a time.
Reverend Dr
You derive your enjoyment from farming ectos, I derive my enjoyment from farming "XXX has left the game."
Zahr Dalsk
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Often, it is not a newb that is the problem, but someone that knows better and is just griefing for "entertainment".
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Otherwise you'd realize how fun and hilarious it is.
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Dawgboy
I wonder how many people that proudly admit they get off by griefing others also complained that heroes killed pugs. Suprise, jerks, you're the killer.
A clueless nooblet is far less dangerous to a party than a griefer. Ping the builds in town and help him learn what's what. If he runs a crap bar and refuses to adjust it just kick him. If you forgot to check skills and later find him using junk skills, he's still of some use to the party, even it's being a meatshield.
With a griefer, the party's screwed unless it survives the first few mobs of aggro'd monsters and nobody rezzes the Leeroy. Not very promising for a good ending.
If someone ever tried to hold a mission hostage I'd just /sit there. I don't care if it's even just a 100gold ransom; they can kiss my hairy white ass.
A clueless nooblet is far less dangerous to a party than a griefer. Ping the builds in town and help him learn what's what. If he runs a crap bar and refuses to adjust it just kick him. If you forgot to check skills and later find him using junk skills, he's still of some use to the party, even it's being a meatshield.
With a griefer, the party's screwed unless it survives the first few mobs of aggro'd monsters and nobody rezzes the Leeroy. Not very promising for a good ending.
If someone ever tried to hold a mission hostage I'd just /sit there. I don't care if it's even just a 100gold ransom; they can kiss my hairy white ass.
pinguinius
Back in Prophecies when monks were scarce, my friend and I would get on our 2 monks and bring the old Unyielding Aura to Thunderhead Keep. He'd run off and die, and then I'd UA him. Then, we'd let as many party members as we could die and he'd res them with UA. When we were almost done, I'd release the bond on my friend and everyone but me would die at once. I would then promptly /dance on their corpses. We only made a full team wipe once, though. Usually only got about half.
More commonly, we'd demand that we be the one who activate the king (and thus the one he follows around) and then stop moving before he opens the gate halfway through the mission. Then, we'd charge everyone to continue the mission. We'd demand they pay the amount equal to the gold drops that they had already received on the way there, usually something like 214 gold. Most refused even though we knew they had the gold, and they were forced to go back to town and wait another half an hour for a monk to show up.
Waaay back when people still did balanced groups of FoW, we'd get about halfway done with a forgemaster run and start insulting people. For whatever reason, people don't like to be called names on the internet, and often we could get them to abandon the run just out of dickishness, even though we were performing our monking jobs well.
The days before heroes were much fun for mischievous monks. Sadly, the only way to grief nowadays is to get a dungeon run, not pay, and then kill the boss by yourself. It's not worth ruining the few groups that are left with some paltry lulz.
More commonly, we'd demand that we be the one who activate the king (and thus the one he follows around) and then stop moving before he opens the gate halfway through the mission. Then, we'd charge everyone to continue the mission. We'd demand they pay the amount equal to the gold drops that they had already received on the way there, usually something like 214 gold. Most refused even though we knew they had the gold, and they were forced to go back to town and wait another half an hour for a monk to show up.
Waaay back when people still did balanced groups of FoW, we'd get about halfway done with a forgemaster run and start insulting people. For whatever reason, people don't like to be called names on the internet, and often we could get them to abandon the run just out of dickishness, even though we were performing our monking jobs well.
The days before heroes were much fun for mischievous monks. Sadly, the only way to grief nowadays is to get a dungeon run, not pay, and then kill the boss by yourself. It's not worth ruining the few groups that are left with some paltry lulz.
Coney
When you can do most PvE content H/H (or 2 accounts 1 player 6 heroes), it doesn't really make sense to gamble PUGs that might have griefers or leechers.
In PvP, just /report, and hope you're not banned yourself for too much /reporting...
As far as griefers versus worthless nubs, griefers can literally leave your group stuck in it's tracks (no forward progression), whereas a worthless nub shouldn't have more impact than an empty party slot.
That spirit spammer build posted above did make me laugh, tho - LOL, talk about screwing the party over hardcore! It seems one could also spirit spam with 0 in channeling/communing and do some decent damage (given another party member has a legitimate spirit spam build, overwriting their spirits). SUX that you cannot target and attack friendly spirits...
How hard is it really, to ping your build to the party in town, then immediately load your grief build? There should be a command you can use while in an instance, where you can /view all other 7 party member's builds. Or, can't you just ping them a build from your profile, while having something else entirely different already loaded?!?
In PvP, just /report, and hope you're not banned yourself for too much /reporting...
As far as griefers versus worthless nubs, griefers can literally leave your group stuck in it's tracks (no forward progression), whereas a worthless nub shouldn't have more impact than an empty party slot.
That spirit spammer build posted above did make me laugh, tho - LOL, talk about screwing the party over hardcore! It seems one could also spirit spam with 0 in channeling/communing and do some decent damage (given another party member has a legitimate spirit spam build, overwriting their spirits). SUX that you cannot target and attack friendly spirits...
How hard is it really, to ping your build to the party in town, then immediately load your grief build? There should be a command you can use while in an instance, where you can /view all other 7 party member's builds. Or, can't you just ping them a build from your profile, while having something else entirely different already loaded?!?
Zahr Dalsk
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I wonder how many people that proudly admit they get off by griefing others also complained that heroes killed pugs. Suprise, jerks, you're the killer.
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I did jump up and down on the corpse from time to time, though
Kook~NBK~
In many cases, you can teach a bad player to be better over the internet.
In NO case can you b****slap a douchbag over the internet.
In NO case can you b****slap a douchbag over the internet.
Zodiac Meteor
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Seems like you just find some good PUGs xD
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Before mission start, adds iron mist and heal area.
It's sabotage, not noobness.
razor39999
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101 for internet jerks
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Reverend Dr
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I wonder how many people that proudly admit they get off by griefing others also complained that heroes killed pugs. Suprise, jerks, you're the killer.
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Though do keep blaming me for everything that has ever annoyed you, I will gladly take any and all credit.
Cuilan
I had a group recently that kept enchanting me knowing full well that there was pretty heavy enchantment removal. Eventually they stopped rezzing me and I left of course. Odd how the other players didn't seem effected.
Conspiracy.
Conspiracy.