Update 24th Sept: MoR is back in PvE
Sarevok Thordin
The 5 second duration is gone for one, Escape may well be fixed.
mathiastemplar
A bit late this?
Short
Ah, so this is what the build was for. MoR and Escape /sigh. Was hopeing for something interesting, even though I knew it wasn't going to be. Meh. 
Zahr Dalsk
Well RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, I guess we can assume SF is never going to get fixed either. Not permanently, anyhow.
slowerpoke
the MoR change to the PvE side was unintentional, now its been reverted.
problem?
problem?
Life Bringing
It was a pointless revert. MoR nerf did nothing. Everywhere where MoR was actually used in PvE, it still worked fine.
Rampage
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Originally Posted by Life Bringing
It was a pointless revert. MoR nerf did nothing. Everywhere where MoR was actually used in PvE, it still worked fine.
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Shayne Hawke
Make sure to revert SF after you nerf it and all the farmers cry about that one too, ANet.
jonnieboi05
lolPvE. lolE/MEfarmerswhocouldn'tfarmlastweekendforgrog
That is all.
That is all.
~LeNa~
drkn
i find it amusing how you, probably 'hardcore pro pvp players', cry so much, all the time, about the farmers out there. it's their choice how they spend their time ingame and farming won't give them any advantage over you, so you just cry for the sake of crying.
Enon
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
lolPvE. lolE/MEfarmerswhocouldn'tfarmlastweekendforgrog
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drkn
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just look at it from a proper distance. most of the skills are either overpowered/overused in pvp and need a pve/pvp split (NOT a nerf in both) or they kill the design of several places (like SF - still, it would be much better to add mobs with SF-removal skills in certain places rather than nerfing the skill, but that would be too long process i guess). total, cumulative nerfing leads to nothing good - deal with it. pvp needs balancing, pve would need reworking, most notably - the mobs.
unless there would be one massive nerf of various skills of all classes, a total change of gameplay at once - now that might be something good actually. but won't happen.
keli
now that is still pathetic that they could do this skill split in one week but nerfing bloodspam (it is still pretty much viable even in higher levels...Linsey ) took them almost a year
yeah :P
PvE community is larger than PvP
yeah :P
PvE community is larger than PvP
Yama Sutra
Tnx Anet 
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by keli
PvE community is larger than PvP
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But hey, it seems like AN is slowly allowing them to.
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by Enon
Last time I checked you don't need MoR to farm Vaettirs. And we all know Vaettirs drop better than Raptors. =)
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Here's a few examples:
- "OMFG ANET WHY DO YOU NERF THE BEST FARM BUILD IN THE WORLD!?"
- "typical arena.net. nerfing the only means we have to make gold in GW" (i lol'ed at this one)
- "this nerf just comes to show how pathetic gw has become." (this one made no sense, really...)
- "---- u anet u enconsyderat priks! u alwais nerf da best bilds!" (I especially lol'ed at this. Pro spelling is pro!)
~LeNa~
StormDragonZ
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Here's a few examples: |
- "Now their isnt anyting to do in GW now!!!thanks alot ANET!!!"
crazybanshee
I'm glad it's back, although to be honest I just farmed raptors on my sin instead of my ele...
The Drunkard
...still waiting on the revert to QZ and splinter wep
Chocobo1
This really blows my mind. People whine abour MoR and so it gets changed a week later. People have whined for years about SF and still nothing is done. It is just as simple as nerfing the god damn skill out of existance, it should not exist. People are able to run ELITE DUNGEONS ON ONE CHARACTER. Argh, if people are so bad as to really quit the game if it gets nerfed then good ridance, I don't want these skill-less failures in the game anyway.
Obviously the MoR nerf tells us one thing. Whine and you will recieve.
Obviously the MoR nerf tells us one thing. Whine and you will recieve.
Masmar
I'm not gunna lie, they clearly nerfed it so people couldnt use some classes to farm grog 
darque blood
Anything else in the update? Or was it just MoR?
nitetime
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
the MoR change to the PvE side was unintentional, now its been reverted.
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Dzjudz
Just before Halloween/Wintersday SF will get nerfed only to be unnerfed the week after the event, mark my words 
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tuna-fish_sushi
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
This really blows my mind. People whine abour MoR and so it gets changed a week later. People have whined for years about SF and still nothing is done. It is just as simple as nerfing the god damn skill out of existance, it should not exist. People are able to run ELITE DUNGEONS ON ONE CHARACTER. Argh, if people are so bad as to really quit the game if it gets nerfed then good ridance, I don't want these skill-less failures in the game anyway.
Obviously the MoR nerf tells us one thing. Whine and you will recieve. |
However in SF argument there are a lot of people on either side of the debate.
philo
Thank you, Live Team, for a fast and fair reaction.
Chocobo1
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That is because no one (PVE players) was against reverting it back to its original form.
However in SF argument there are a lot of people on either side of the debate. |
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by nitetime
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WTB less closed-minded and moar fact-based comments!
~LeNa~
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
There were a few eg the people who were decent enough at the game to not need a blanket NO INTERUPTZ LOL skill.
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AGAIN!
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| Did you guys skip over this post or just don't believe it? |
garethporlest18
It's not like MoR is even needed anyways, at least not for 600. Stop 600ing places with interrupts and learn how to handle in game money better so you're not poor.
Eliz Genevieve
*sigh*
They nerf it :
'OMG, BASTARDZ HOW CULD THEY NERF MA PRECIOUS MoR? REVERT IT NOWZ, I DEMAND!'
because the change wasn't intended to affect PvE, they split the skill, and then we get:
'Well done Anet. Nice job. Now make sure you revert SF after you nerf it.'
*double sigh*
They nerf it :
'OMG, BASTARDZ HOW CULD THEY NERF MA PRECIOUS MoR? REVERT IT NOWZ, I DEMAND!'
because the change wasn't intended to affect PvE, they split the skill, and then we get:
'Well done Anet. Nice job. Now make sure you revert SF after you nerf it.'
*double sigh*
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve
*sigh*
They nerf it : 'OMG, BASTARDZ HOW CULD THEY NERF MA PRECIOUS MoR? REVERT IT NOWZ, I DEMAND!' because the change wasn't intended to affect PvE, they split the skill, and then we get: 'Well done Anet. Nice job. Now make sure you revert SF after you nerf it.' *double sigh* |
~LeNa~
stretchs
Of course until someone from Anet posts that the "accidental" pve nerf happened, then everyone else is just bs'ing.
As for the updates, wtb some update notes in a marginally timely manner already
As for the updates, wtb some update notes in a marginally timely manner already
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by stretchs
Of course until someone from Anet posts that the "accidental" pve nerf happened, then everyone else is just bs'ing.
As for the updates, wtb some update notes in a marginally timely manner already |
~LeNa~
ousbique
1 week to change a skill for a specific pve farm.
1 year for a beginning of answer against bspike which ruining the ladder play.
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1 year for a beginning of answer against bspike which ruining the ladder play.
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vamp08
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Originally Posted by Dzjudz
Just before Halloween/Wintersday SF will get nerfed only to be unnerfed the week after the event, mark my words
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pinguinius
It would be interesting to learn where ANet got the idea to change MoR back. Was it from whiners on forums? Was it the feedback thing on the wiki? Or did they just realize afterward they had made a mistake?
If their new policy about openness includes listening to players, this could be a step in the right (or wrong, depending on who they listen to) direction.
If their new policy about openness includes listening to players, this could be a step in the right (or wrong, depending on who they listen to) direction.
Still Number One
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Just before Halloween/Wintersday SF will get nerfed only to be unnerfed the week after the event, mark my words
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Then again A.net rarely lives up to what they say so you have a chance of being right I suppose.
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It would be interesting to learn where ANet got the idea to change MoR back. Was it from whiners on forums? Was it the feedback thing on the wiki? Or did they just realize afterward they had made a mistake?
If their new policy about openness includes listening to players, this could be a step in the right (or wrong, depending on who they listen to) direction. |
While the change was very obvious to anyone who was familiar with farming, A.net obviously didn't think it was that large of an issue because they don't spend as much time playing the game as you do.
sonofthort
anet, plz ignore half the ungreatful posters on this forum, and thanks for the update!
upier
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if you don't like it, don't do it. do farmers get stronger weapons? do farmers get armors with higher rating than you?
i'm not a farmer myself, i'm fed up with grind and i value gw because you don't have to farm if you don't want to. so why does anyone care about other people farming 24/7? cause they've got five obsidian armors? so what, does it make them better, stronger, unkillable? they waste their own time and eyes, not yours. go get a clue. |
And not only that, we only seem to have a limited window of opportunity to get them.
Which basically means we need to be be able to get tons of money, and get it fast.
And then, there is also the problem of the GW goals being "balanced" with massive farming in mind. Certain goals just aren't obtainable otherwise. And THAT makes farming mandatory!
This isn't like old Ursan or something, where one could complete all areas in an reasonable amount of time even without Ursan. Don't like it, don't use it kinda made sense there. The game wasn't balanced around Ursan, so you could actually disregard it and not bring it into your instance.
I know I did.
There is no reasonable alternative to farming in the game if you want the goals that are balanced with farming in mind. You don't open 10k chests or ID 10k gold items by "playing" the game.
Or max out Lucky/Unlucky.
Or do sweets. Booze. Party.
If one wants to go after those titles - one needs to farm.
There is no way around it.
Seriously, farming IS a huge part of PvE these days.
And as crazy as this sounds - if you don't farm, that means you just aren't experiencing the complete PvE "content".
(And YES, I FULLY agree that PvE would be much better off without this "content".)