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rangereminem1984

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/Mo

21 Oct 2009 at 22:15 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masmar

Love making things hard for me? ;(
Better go set my scanner back up

havent used my scanner in ages , and looked at cord and at some point in time my cat broke it lol. time ot go by a new cord

joshuarodger

Unbanned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] -- IGN: Swirly

Mo/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:17 - 42

gratz to all who got selected.

on a more sour note this thread is just turning into a "i'm better than you are" - "no you aren't" debate that i don't believe was the original intent. real classy.

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:19 - 43

I would have chosen the remaining top PvP players.

Just saying.

razerbeak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

R/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:21 - 44

I too shall be heading down to the post office tomorrow

Masmar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Aberdeen, Scotland

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

E/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:22 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

I would have chosen the remaining top PvP players.

Just saying.

And then do what about PvE content?
And do they have a choice?

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

21 Oct 2009 at 22:27 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuarodger

gratz to all who got selected.

on a more sour note this thread is just turning into a "i'm better than you are" - "no you aren't" debate that i don't believe was the original intent. real classy.

which is pretty much why every game i've ever alpha/beta'd been under or around an NDA, forbade you to acknowledge it, that was with unreleased material btw.. I imagine soon we'll have a full list of people who are test krewe recipients. now to just find the corruptible/gullible/affable ones.

Public test servers were just that. public. free beta testers are free beta testers, after release. although you still needed a current sub (if p2p) for access.

almost forgot. they had closed forums as well. so something like what is happening now, doesn't.

Bill Clinton

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2009

21 Oct 2009 at 22:27 - 47

Gratz to those who made it in! I have a question for you..
Out of shire curiosity, ofcourse.
What did you write on your applications?
I found applying rather difficult as I could have gone on for hours and hours writting about all my experience with skills and how they've changed, current balance etc etc etc..
But in the end decided to go with something short and sweet, knowing that anet would have hundreds of these apps coming in and wouldnt have time to read it all.

So yeah.. I guess i'd like to know whether I shot myself in the foot! Were you guys long winded or brief? What kind of things did you talk about? Purely pvp or pve aswell? Details please!

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:28 - 48

Congrats to those who got accepted! I got an email too.

(Along with two good friends, amazing as it is!)

BladeWind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

The Ice Wastes in the Underworld.

The Renegades Of Ascalon

E/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:29 - 49

"Well, it is good to be king" *Cough*

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

21 Oct 2009 at 22:35 - 50

Congrats to all those who've been chosen!

Those who applied and were not chosen, sorry! I'd think its only fair to the community if we were told certain info about the selection process... what specifically was looked for, what wasn't wanted, how many people were chosen, etc. Any chance you guys think we'll actually get that info? I'm sure many qualified and top notch players applied, it would be a shame to see them jaded by no additional info, at least in my opinion.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

21 Oct 2009 at 22:47 - 51

I didn't bother applying because well, I am to lazy and I don't REALLY care, so I am not coming here to piss on people's parades because I didn't get in.
Still (*drinks a TON of water and unbuttons pants*) I was under the impression this was a PvP Kreve.
So why THESE people?

Eliz Genevieve

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

Portugal

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

D/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:47 - 52

Congratulations to those who got in

*I'm looking at you Konig :3*

Hope y'all make it worth.

king swift

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Kamadan AD1

Zealots Of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

D/A

21 Oct 2009 at 22:53 - 53

Wow I didnt get in...brb im gonna go tie a noose

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

E/

21 Oct 2009 at 22:56 - 54

Step 1 - Enter Old Ascalon.
Step 2 - Use Skill 1.
Step 3 - Did Skill 1 cause any problems? Use big vocabulary please.
Step 4 - Reenter Old Ascalon.
Step 5 - Use Skill 2.
Step 6 - Did Skill 2 cause any problems? Use big vocabulary please.

grats to all the new krewbies. have fun

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

21 Oct 2009 at 23:21 - 55

welllll guess its a good thing I didnt get an email since I dont own a printer or a scanner...............and have no intentions of buying one.

gratz to the few, the proud .....wait-------yeah whatever, the chosen.

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

★☆٭Ńēŵ~ŶờЯК٭☆★

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

21 Oct 2009 at 23:26 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

I would have chosen the remaining top PvP players.

Just saying.

They chose at least one.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

21 Oct 2009 at 23:34 - 57

Shame i didn't get in, congrats on those who did though
I've noticed quite a few 'famous' names popping up...hmmm

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

22 Oct 2009 at 00:05 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

Congrats to all those who've been chosen!

Those who applied and were not chosen, sorry! I'd think its only fair to the community if we were told certain info about the selection process... what specifically was looked for, what wasn't wanted, how many people were chosen, etc. Any chance you guys think we'll actually get that info? I'm sure many qualified and top notch players applied, it would be a shame to see them jaded by no additional info, at least in my opinion.

We were looking for experienced, opinionated GW players. In general, we looked at how much play time people had accumulated, what formats they liked to play, and whether they showed knowledge in those formats. We looked at what people wrote and looked to see whether they could convey their ideas and opinions in a clear, understandable way. Communication skills = important; if we can't understand people, it's a challenge to incorporate feedback. We looked to see whether potential volunteers had a clear understanding of the game and how everything interconnects, in terms of skills, in terms of balance, the meta, etc. We were looking for people who we thought (based on their statements) could give us quality feedback, whether that feedback was potentially supportive of development decisions or not. Of course, people who applied to the Test Krewe are fans of the game, but that doesn't mean all we wanted are folks who wouldn't question the development team's ideas. We were looking for people who wouldn't necessarily be universally supportive of everything we have planned, but who could also back up their opinions with explanations that showed a strong underlying knowledge of the game. At the end of the day, the goal of the Test Krewe members and the development team is the same: to improve the game.

Now, everyone who applied to the Test Krewe were giving us a sort of "sales pitch" on their ability to provide us with quality feedback, and we hope the applicants who "talked the talk" in their applications will be able to "walk the walk" when they actually come to volunteer their time with us.

There are approximately 200 members of the Test Krewe.

I Angra I

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Napa, CA

Inadequately Equipped [GeAr]

R/N

22 Oct 2009 at 00:10 - 59

@Regina:

How is balancing for a deep gametype like GvG going to go? I know a lot of people are worried that underqualified people are going to be making poor decisions on it, so how do you plan on making final decisions for balancing in that aspect, when you potentially have not many people at all who know how GvG works, trying to help you balance GvG?

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

22 Oct 2009 at 00:21 - 60

Thanks for that Regina. Out of curiosity, for those who were on the Hero Battles test team (LOL at how that wound up.....), was any preference given? Or if they were in it, did you look at their performance?

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

22 Oct 2009 at 00:32 - 61

Oh, you will never guess who got accepted...

Well, time to wrap up my trolling, lulz, and childish acts. I'm going to get serious about this now that it's not just about a silly forum anymore. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I care about GW.

Don't worry though. I'll still be myself on GWG even though I'm not sharing any info of behind the scenes (Just like how I don't share one of the more recent, yet unreleased Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes roms :P)

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

N/

22 Oct 2009 at 00:34 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

*snip*
There are approximately 200 members of the Test Krewe.

Wow that makes me feel pretty bad actually...

Wonder what I managed to "miswrite" so badly in my application that I didn't get selected?

Just like someone earlier, I wanted to make my application short but sweet, thinking that Anet had so many to go through anyway.
It's a shame if that was my downfall, as I know I would've been a very active participant with unbiased views on issues and thought out opinions.

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

★☆٭Ńēŵ~ŶờЯК٭☆★

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

22 Oct 2009 at 00:41 - 63

For, "Why should we pick you?" I wrote, "for the lulz". It worked!

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

22 Oct 2009 at 00:51 - 64

Digital copy sent, I wonder how soon back I'll be hearing from them.

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

22 Oct 2009 at 00:56 - 65

it's in anet's best interest to accept those who know less about the game than they do. let's face it, sit the entire GW1 live team in a room with ensign, and he'll easily point out all the flaws in anything they come up.

speaking of ensign, i wonder if he got in... or if he even apply.

Owik Gall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guardians of the Light

W/Mo

22 Oct 2009 at 00:56 - 66

*sigh* Congrats to all who have made it. My support goes out to all of you in hopes of generating productive feedback on the games content for improvement purposes.

As for me and the rest who did not make the roaster, let us still be a help to the game and the community as best we can.

Billiard

Doctor of Philosophy

Join Date: May 2005

Pacific Northwest

Team Love [kiSu] www.teamlove.us

22 Oct 2009 at 00:58 - 67

Firms conducting marketing research/tests typically take a cross section of the population as a sample in order to get a wide range of feedback. Because of this, they have to carefully screen feedback and be cognizant of the source.

After screening forums for information and feedback for so long I would expect that ANet has some mechanisms in place for doing the same in their own test.

Also, considerable research has shown that some of the best product changes and ideas have come not from experts/expert users but rather from average everyday users who have had to adapt the product to their particular situations and needs.

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

22 Oct 2009 at 01:05 - 68

Thanks for the response Regina. I have to say, though, that it seems like some of the things you detail as being important for selection would be quite difficult to determine about a player by simply reading a submitted response. Sure, you might get a halfway decent idea of communication skills (maybe), but I'd be surprised if many people could show their detailed knowledge of how skills work and how various aspects of the game are interconnected. I don't want this to turn into a flame war about who's qualified and who's not, but some of the choices we've been made aware of by this thread do seem to be somewhat questionable.

I know the the job of selection must have been tough. Going through thousands of applicants and having to chose just 200 (or so) of them could easily be very hit or miss. I would hope the test krewe is something that will not be a fixed set of players, as some will likely show themselves to not be up to the task of helping to improve the game. Is there any chance additional members will be selected as time goes on? Whether or not additional players might be invited to join, I think we can all agree we have high hopes for the test krewe. Let's hope those selected are indeed up to the task.

Billiard

Doctor of Philosophy

Join Date: May 2005

Pacific Northwest

Team Love [kiSu] www.teamlove.us

22 Oct 2009 at 01:09 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

speaking of ensign, i wonder if he got in... or if he even apply.

Ensign reports not applying for the Test Krewe . . .

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

22 Oct 2009 at 01:17 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billiard

Ensign reports not applying for the Test Krewe . . .

and i don't blame him one bit. we all know just how frustratingly incompetent anet can be, especially regarding skill balancing and pvp game design. ensign had the misfortune of working with anet a lot closer than any of us, so he probably felt it a lot harder. there's only so much a man can take.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

22 Oct 2009 at 01:28 - 71

Oh well, didn't get in. Back to Aion.

Congrats to those who did.

Geod

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

NoVA

Mo/Me

22 Oct 2009 at 01:45 - 72

I'm in

Thanks Regina and Martin. Congrats to everyone else who did get in, and see you in game.

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

22 Oct 2009 at 02:18 - 73

Congratulations to all who were selected

.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

22 Oct 2009 at 03:44 - 74

At first I had no idea why ANet chose these people.

Then it clicked.

If they pick a bunch of people that are terrible, then when it comes to pushing through an update, the 'Krewe' will simply okay it, and if people disagree, then it's the Krewe's fault.

Grats to Axiom, Arky, JR and Auron. At least SOME decent players got in.

Wild Rituals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

NZ

Frenzy More [Plz]

Mo/W

22 Oct 2009 at 03:51 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoXiFy

They chose at least one.

Yeah, Right

And you havent played in 8 months

This thread has ade me sad for the future of guildwars

But gratz to all those picked

Rampage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

22 Oct 2009 at 03:55 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoXiFy

They chose at least one.

Yeah, I heard Axiom got accepted.

Oh wait, you were referring to yourself. I must have missed that at first. Good one!

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

22 Oct 2009 at 03:59 - 77

ok, I think this is going to be my first post ever sticking up for Anet.

There was a time not long ago (more like most of 2009) when people (I among them) bemoaned Anet for their late, underwhelming skill balances. We cited the poor excuses, lack of communication, misplace priorities, and lack of resources.

When the Test Krewe was announced, that was taken to be a step in the right direction: by shouldering some of this burden upon ourselves, we could lighten the load on Anet, which in theory should result in more frequent and timely skill balances, and I hope better ones. I further hope this will lead to Anet being freed up to create more content and maligned projects like......cough.....XTH.

I understand I may have a bit more positive outlook now that I actually was chosen, but I'll just end it with this: I was on the Hero Battles beta team, and while that was epic fail (though the reasons for that came much later), I made some sacrifices to do my best job. I rearranged my work schedule (which involved pitching to management that, as a 36 year old college-educated professional in a technical field [pharmaceutical lab analyst], I needed to come in a few hours later to beta test a video game for two weeks), and took the process very seriously (while not being BAMPH'ed by Andrew Patrick).

So let's give some benefit of the doubt and take the outlook that this hopefully will improve things from a player's perspective PLUS free up Anet Live Team to move on to new (or old but delayed) projects.

Personally I hope this kicks off very soon, but also that I won't have to rearrange my work schedule.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

22 Oct 2009 at 04:16 - 78

New content (including quests, henchmen, any revamped skills) needs to be bug-free, that means idiot-proof. You need people of all levels to try out everything to make sure it's working correctly.

We don't want a few top guilds secretly working on the next great build and then trying to hide it. We want idiots to go out and pwn RA with their R/As in the open. We also don't want the next ridiculous gimmick seen as less of a problem because it's just running up against top 50 that have the skill to dismantle it.

We also don't need people getting so hung up on honor theorycraft that they miss the practical effects of X or Y change. AFAIK there will still be the place for the elitists to theorycraft and influence balance changes, but there will also be the room for anyone to make or break the results of that with their own hands before it goes live. The NF preview event was broken by Spearmen "nobodies", not by the top guilds of the time. Rebel Rising don't put any of the time into practicing anymore that other top guilds do, but they were the only ones with the balls (dishonor?) to run R/As with hexers and destroy that MAT.

There needs to be people willing to try stupid, dishonorable, risky, or unobvious things, as some of them will hit on something ridiculous, be it bug, balance, or design flaw. A group of just the best and the brightest aren't necessarily going to do that. (let alone be amenable to Anet's workhorse schedules.)

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

22 Oct 2009 at 04:26 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We were looking for experienced, opinionated GW players. In general, we looked at how much play time people had accumulated, what formats they liked to play, and whether they showed knowledge in those formats. We looked at what people wrote and looked to see whether they could convey their ideas and opinions in a clear, understandable way. Communication skills = important; if we can't understand people, it's a challenge to incorporate feedback. We looked to see whether potential volunteers had a clear understanding of the game and how everything interconnects, in terms of skills, in terms of balance, the meta, etc. We were looking for people who we thought (based on their statements) could give us quality feedback, whether that feedback was potentially supportive of development decisions or not. Of course, people who applied to the Test Krewe are fans of the game, but that doesn't mean all we wanted are folks who wouldn't question the development team's ideas. We were looking for people who wouldn't necessarily be universally supportive of everything we have planned, but who could also back up their opinions with explanations that showed a strong underlying knowledge of the game. At the end of the day, the goal of the Test Krewe members and the development team is the same: to improve the game.

Now, everyone who applied to the Test Krewe were giving us a sort of "sales pitch" on their ability to provide us with quality feedback, and we hope the applicants who "talked the talk" in their applications will be able to "walk the walk" when they actually come to volunteer their time with us.

There are approximately 200 members of the Test Krewe.

honestly though, i thought what you were looking for are a bunch of worker drones to endlessly test things. without knowing the above, i kinda half-assed my application... come to think of it, i think i only included the number of hours on my ranger, and missed the total account hours. oops. is it possible for me to redo my application and send it to you or martin, in case there's an opening in the future?

Ec]-[oMaN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

[DT][pT][jT][Grim][Nion]

W/

22 Oct 2009 at 04:28 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

New content (including quests, henchmen, any revamped skills) needs to be bug-free,

Sums it up, "bug free" I highly doubt anything along the lines of more meaningful skill balances will take place even with the TEST CREW being implemented.

Plus the time line of the test crew being announced after a few months of pve/pvp skill changes that had "Bugs" within the skills causing crashes or undesired affects relating to how the skill was suppose to work.

I'd be rather socked if there was more going on than this just being another layer of QA/QT.