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Lishy
I'm sure arenanet has a reason for their choices. Although complications probably happen around the office', so they refrain from telling us things.
And keep in mind, not everyone will go through the necessary steps after they receive acceptance email. Only those who're committed will go through the effort to send a mail. It's an easy task, but those who don't care, chances are, won't bother at this point.
And keep in mind, not everyone will go through the necessary steps after they receive acceptance email. Only those who're committed will go through the effort to send a mail. It's an easy task, but those who don't care, chances are, won't bother at this point.
Jensy
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, I got one Will email it all back when I'm not uh, at Disneyland.
Jenn
Oh dear. I'm not loved enough by aNet
Enjoy everyone!
Enjoy everyone!
the last axiom
I'm a little distressed that I'm only aware of one other PvP'er who got in, but I'm tryin' my best to keep the faith!
Falrow
I got in, and all I'm interested in is PvP. One of the other people in my PvP guild also got in. We were both in Alpha so that might have been a factor in their decision.
Yawgmoth
I had big hopes in this and thought I could countribute a lot and participate with dedication, but haven't got the mail. Shame. Big disappointment. I was really looking forward to this as testing stuff is just my thing and I'm doing that in GW since 2004 betas up till today.
dansamy
Silent Treason
This has got to be a joke.
Only -1- player from the remaining top PvP players was accepted? Is that a joke?
Only -1- player from the remaining top PvP players was accepted? Is that a joke?
IMMORTAlMITCH
Reading this thread makes me very skeptical about the whole thing, we'll see I guess, at least I'll have a heads up if it goes down the shitter being invited myself
i farm baddies
Riot Narita
I didn't apply. Those that did, and got in... congratulations, good luck, and please DO A GOOD JOB! :-D
refer
NDA lol. I want to see hear some leaked updates, I know it will happen.
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We were looking for experienced, opinionated GW players. In general, we looked at how much play time people had accumulated, what formats they liked to play, and whether they showed knowledge in those formats.
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Communication skills = important; if we can't understand people, it's a challenge to incorporate feedback.
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If any invitees have specific or detailed questions about the instructions in the email, please contact me or Martin directly. We will probably be able to help you understand what is required better than the public.
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Very disappointed with the people that have been chosen. They left out so many experienced players that might have actually been able to do something meaningful. Your loss, Anet.
Fril Estelin
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Did you ever realize that some people tend to afk a lot? And that some people that have been playing this game for 4 years still suck when it comes to thinking for them selfs? I won't deny that looking at how much time someone has played gives you a certain indication of the player, but the way you describe it...
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You picked out people that write without capital letters and type words such as 'bcuz' and 'moar'. Awesome communication skills right there! |
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So they fit the requirements to join the Test Krewe, but they don't understand the e-mail they got? Oh my... the irony. |
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Very disappointed with the people that have been chosen. They left out so many experienced players that might have actually been able to do something meaningful. Your loss, Anet. |
Silmar Alech
We see quite some examples in this thread why someone should not be invited. There is probably no place for people who see the Test Crewe as an end-game extension for people who in fact ceased playing ("Not invited? Goodbye GW!")
There are also many disappointed posts who blame Arenanet - well, you wrote your own application, you are to blame yourself! You must not lie in such an application, but you had every freedom to present yourself in an appealing manner. There was actually a very good question in the application form we had to answer.
You might also ask if a Tester is a good one, if he blames the company for all he deems wrong instead of making constructive comments. If this comment is not regarded, well, this is something you have to accept. This happens for the rest of your life, everywhere, with everything.
There are obviously single strong opinions about how the skill structure should look like. The current one is considered "bad" or "broken by design" by some people who probably crave for a radical overhaul. That is certainly no task for the Test Crewe, and many such people are probably a burden in the team. The game is finished, the task is to constantly fine-tune skills or other things to make every profession equally attractive for new and old players instead.
Example: I don't play PvP myself apart from a bit AB and JQ, but as far as I see in the forums, some professions are nearly missing from GvG and HA. If I were to fine-tune PvP, I would try to bring them back in. That would be good task. But not rumbling about how broken the skill system since Nightfall is (which is not).
And, well, you are seeing this thing a bit too seriously. This is a game. The NDA is serious, and the Test Crewe is supposed to give serious feedback, but Guildwars is still a video game, and we all play it for fun and leisure, don't we?
There are also many disappointed posts who blame Arenanet - well, you wrote your own application, you are to blame yourself! You must not lie in such an application, but you had every freedom to present yourself in an appealing manner. There was actually a very good question in the application form we had to answer.
You might also ask if a Tester is a good one, if he blames the company for all he deems wrong instead of making constructive comments. If this comment is not regarded, well, this is something you have to accept. This happens for the rest of your life, everywhere, with everything.
There are obviously single strong opinions about how the skill structure should look like. The current one is considered "bad" or "broken by design" by some people who probably crave for a radical overhaul. That is certainly no task for the Test Crewe, and many such people are probably a burden in the team. The game is finished, the task is to constantly fine-tune skills or other things to make every profession equally attractive for new and old players instead.
Example: I don't play PvP myself apart from a bit AB and JQ, but as far as I see in the forums, some professions are nearly missing from GvG and HA. If I were to fine-tune PvP, I would try to bring them back in. That would be good task. But not rumbling about how broken the skill system since Nightfall is (which is not).
And, well, you are seeing this thing a bit too seriously. This is a game. The NDA is serious, and the Test Crewe is supposed to give serious feedback, but Guildwars is still a video game, and we all play it for fun and leisure, don't we?
JR
I think it's a bit of a misconception that this is some giant focus group for feedback and discussion. A lot of what the LTK does will probably be fairly menial (though enjoyable) QA tasks, such as scouring new content for bugs or reproducing glitches. There will be a forum, but it's false to assume that everyone was invited for their nuanced knowledge and debating skills.
Razon
Whoever got in - Enjoy!
Who didn't got in and qq about it - bad losers shouldn't be invited anyway
Who didn't got in and qq about it - bad losers shouldn't be invited anyway
Kc Quipor Ultra
Gz to people i didn't got in it but maybe next wave if it will come ... :P
Anon-e-mouse
Fril Estelin
Ravious
Darcy
Congratulations to all who were accepted. Do a great job, please.
@ all the "bah! humbug!" people: did you even read the application? I read it. It asked about how you spent your playing time. So, from the start, they were looking for a cross spectrum of GW players. They were not looking for PvP players only. I didn't apply although I have a lot of playing time as I did not feel I had the in-depth game knowledge I was sure would be needed.
And I am sure that as Krewe members drop out, more of the many qualified people will receive invites.
Also remember that this forum is only a small percentage of GW players. That so many members received invites is amazing.
@ all the "bah! humbug!" people: did you even read the application? I read it. It asked about how you spent your playing time. So, from the start, they were looking for a cross spectrum of GW players. They were not looking for PvP players only. I didn't apply although I have a lot of playing time as I did not feel I had the in-depth game knowledge I was sure would be needed.
And I am sure that as Krewe members drop out, more of the many qualified people will receive invites.
Also remember that this forum is only a small percentage of GW players. That so many members received invites is amazing.
Masmar
Minami
Why shouldn't we be able to q_q a bit about it without being called a "bad loser"?
At least we truly feel bad about not getting in because we thought we could bring a lot to the team, unlike someone who might have written "I just wanna get in for teh lulz" to the application question...
Yes, I q_q about this for a day or so, because I had my heart and mind set for trying my best to make Anet and the community happy with my input (be it skill change, serious PvP, "light" PvP, Elite Missions or new quests testing [YES, I play both PvP and PvE]), and those hopes were shot down hard.
I don't want to change the world, I just wanted to try and give opinions that could make the game as smooth and enjoyable to everyone as possible.
At least we truly feel bad about not getting in because we thought we could bring a lot to the team, unlike someone who might have written "I just wanna get in for teh lulz" to the application question...
Yes, I q_q about this for a day or so, because I had my heart and mind set for trying my best to make Anet and the community happy with my input (be it skill change, serious PvP, "light" PvP, Elite Missions or new quests testing [YES, I play both PvP and PvE]), and those hopes were shot down hard.
I don't want to change the world, I just wanted to try and give opinions that could make the game as smooth and enjoyable to everyone as possible.
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That's besides the point. There are dedicated players out there who 'understand' GW and do have the experience needed, regardless of /age. Anet could've really benefited from them if they actually bothered to look beyond /age and filtered out all the l33t people. Besides, we both know that playtime doesn't say shit when it comes understanding GW.
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Test will indeed influence design choices, but there's no room for the tester to propose design choices in the first place.
Test Me
... now comes the scary part. Knowing the negative bunch that hangs around GWG... I really hope they won't have too much decision power as otherwise they might just hit the final nail in the GW coffin given the ideas and attitudes some (or most?) people around here have.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: I hope all of you that got accepted are mature enough to put your own agenda/ego bellow the needs of the general mass of players and understand what is better for all instead of pushing for something that is better for *you*.
Otherwise congratulations on the acceptance in the program!
Myself, could never apply for it because I just love playing GW and testing changes before they're released will only spoil my fun and surprise when the updates do get out
I guess what I'm trying to say is: I hope all of you that got accepted are mature enough to put your own agenda/ego bellow the needs of the general mass of players and understand what is better for all instead of pushing for something that is better for *you*.
Otherwise congratulations on the acceptance in the program!
Myself, could never apply for it because I just love playing GW and testing changes before they're released will only spoil my fun and surprise when the updates do get out
Aljasha
as stated before, they may kick testers as easily as they invited them. so your fear is unfounded.
Pleikki
Congratulations To ppl who got in!
i didnt even bother apply myself. allready busy enough
i didnt even bother apply myself. allready busy enough
Revelations
Good to see that such a representative sample was picked from the GW population.
Though PvP is dead, I'm pretty sure it warrants more than Axiom on the team. Unless it is indeed just over-glorified bug testing.
Though PvP is dead, I'm pretty sure it warrants more than Axiom on the team. Unless it is indeed just over-glorified bug testing.
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Test Krewe (as a whole) wants:
Shadow form: xx duration.
Anet gives them a Shadow form : yy duration.
They all reply with: "YY duration won't work proporly, you need xx duration".
Anet gives Shadow Form: xx duration.
Sure, test krewe isn't designing shit, but they have some serious leverage. As I said before in my previously deleted posts: With anet's knowledge of their own game, it's very doubtfull they'll understand what the Test Krewe is achieving to do.
And to put it to an extreme:
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the many PvE'ers, that got selected for the Test Krewe, suggested GvG should have Juggernaughts and Siege Turtles to spice it up, Anet would actually concider that "what the public wants" and implement it.
Aside from JR, Axiom and some other's whom I can count on 1 hand, no-one in the Test Krewe has ever been involved in some serious PvP. (High end HA / GvG)
As a matter of fact, NOONE, so far, has outed themselves as a top HA-er. (You know, the most popular PvP format?)
And to that morron who says: "Not everyone who got selected posts here on guru", pretty much proves the point. These people arn't on guru for a reason: They have nothing to contribute to the community.
Why should a person who never bothered to do anything for the community suddenly be in charge for maintaining the quality of updates for that community, over a person who has been discussing and proposing skill updates (Not just skill updates, but overal updates aswell) on guru for 2+ years?!
Again, they selected people at random, made sure they had 4-5 known players and then kick back and relax for 2-3 months saying how busy they are trying to put together the Test Krewe.
It happened with the hencman contest, and I clearly just happened again...
Riot Narita
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No, but what's the difference?
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Krewe members report skills are either working working or not working - according to the skill descriptions... any OP combinations/abuses/exploits they found... and suggestions.
A-net considers test results... fixes bugs, maybe tweaks to prevent exploits etc. Suggestions... maybe they'll go with it, maybe they won't. They aren't going to blindly do whatever the Krewe says, which is what you seem to think. I doubt there will even be a consensus among the krewe for a-net to act on anyway.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of the many PvE'ers, that got selected for the Test Krewe, suggested GvG should have Juggernaughts and Siege Turtles to spice it up, Anet would actually concider that "what the public wants" and implement it.
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And to that morron who says: "Not everyone who got selected posts here on guru", pretty much proves the point. These people arn't on guru for a reason: They have nothing to contribute to the community.
Why should a person who never bothered to do anything for the community suddenly be in charge for maintaining the quality of updates for that community, over a person who has been discussing and proposing skill updates (Not just skill updates, but overal updates aswell) on guru for 2+ years?! |
There may be people who choose to contribute on other online sites, rather than guru... after all, guru is not always - how can I put it - the most pleasant place to hang out. There are other large GW sites, some are not in English, and there are the wikis. For all we know, people may be making great contributions to the GW (not guru) community... simply within the game itself.
There may also be people who are contributors to the guru "community" (LOL), and who are members of the Krewe... but have not announced the fact. If it was me, I'd keep quiet about it, so that people wouldn't try to get me to use my "influence" to change things in their favour, or to get NDA-breaking tidbits of information, early warning of changes etc.
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Again, they selected people at random, made sure they had 4-5 known players and then kick back and relax for 2-3 months saying how busy they are trying to put together the Test Krewe.
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"Clearly"? No. You seem to have trouble distinguishing what is fact, and what is just your opinion.
Fril Estelin
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Anet says: "hey guys can you please test the SF we've made?"
LTK goes to work...comes back and says "it solves the problem X, but causes problem Y and doesn't work with Z" etc.
Better example: as Linsey said via Regina's recent journal entry, Live Team are thinking of a few GvG tiebreaker mechanisms and want LTK to test them for comparison.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of the many PvE'ers, that got selected for the Test Krewe, suggested GvG should have Juggernaughts and Siege Turtles to spice it up, Anet would actually concider that "what the public wants" and implement it. |
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And to that morron who says: "Not everyone who got selected posts here on guru", pretty much proves the point. These people arn't on guru for a reason: They have nothing to contribute to the community. |
(Edit: what I obviously meant by these smileys is ... what about GWO? the wiki? French/German/Spanish/Asian fansites?)
JR
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Test Krewe (as a whole) wants: Shadow form: xx duration. Anet gives them a Shadow form : yy duration. They all reply with: "YY duration won't work proporly, you need xx duration". Anet gives Shadow Form: xx duration. Sure, test krewe isn't designing shit, but they have some serious leverage. As I said before in my previously deleted posts: With anet's knowledge of their own game, it's very doubtfull they'll understand what the Test Krewe is achieving to do. |
Izzy is hardly a push-over when it comes to balance, and will always analyze things himself before making a change. No amount of badgering from the LTK is going to change that.
Let's not also forget that I believe he still runs the not-so-secret balance forum.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of the many PvE'ers, that got selected for the Test Krewe, suggested GvG should have Juggernaughts and Siege Turtles to spice it up, Anet would actually concider that "what the public wants" and implement it. |
ArenaNet do understand competitive play. Martin K particularly, having helped organize numerous tournaments for the German community over the years.
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Why should a person who never bothered to do anything for the community suddenly be in charge for maintaining the quality of updates for that community, over a person who has been discussing and proposing skill updates (Not just skill updates, but overal updates aswell) on guru for 2+ years?!
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Also, we have no idea how this will interact with the members of Izzy's forum, amongst whom are some more well known HA players. I would strongly assume that a quite a few of the balance forum guys will be merged into the LTK, which would explain why there haven't been that many notable PvP players outed here - because they are already in (though obviously they will still have to sign an NDA etc).
[EDIT: I think "Tito Bad Boy Ortiz" and "bamboocha" made it in to LTK, both being (I believe) HA players of note.]
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Grats to Axiom, Arky, JR and Auron. At least SOME decent players got in.
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Don't worry, Anet can kick people off the Test Krewe at any time, so if it turns out some people are not qualified for the job after this point, they will be kicked.
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New content (including quests, henchmen, any revamped skills) needs to be bug-free, that means idiot-proof. You need people of all levels to try out everything to make sure it's working correctly.
We don't want a few top guilds secretly working on the next great build and then trying to hide it. We want idiots to go out and pwn RA with their R/As in the open. We also don't want the next ridiculous gimmick seen as less of a problem because it's just running up against top 50 that have the skill to dismantle it. We also don't need people getting so hung up on honor theorycraft that they miss the practical effects of X or Y change. AFAIK there will still be the place for the elitists to theorycraft and influence balance changes, but there will also be the room for anyone to make or break the results of that with their own hands before it goes live. The NF preview event was broken by Spearmen "nobodies", not by the top guilds of the time. Rebel Rising don't put any of the time into practicing anymore that other top guilds do, but they were the only ones with the balls (dishonor?) to run R/As with hexers and destroy that MAT. There needs to be people willing to try stupid, dishonorable, risky, or unobvious things, as some of them will hit on something ridiculous, be it bug, balance, or design flaw. A group of just the best and the brightest aren't necessarily going to do that. (let alone be amenable to Anet's workhorse schedules.) |
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NDA lol. I want to see hear some leaked updates, I know it will happen.
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Oh dear Lord, they're going to have input on the tiebreaker? As if the current one isn't bad enough without 195 pvers picking a potential new one.
Fril Estelin
They even invited people from the crystal desert. A. Ma. Zing.
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No, they're going to help the Live Team decide by giving them information about how the different mechanisms play in practice. They do NOT pick anything (unless there's some sort of manipulation, but the consequences of that are serious when an NDA is signed), they're ASKED questions by LT and then answer accordingly after testing.
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No, they're going to help the Live Team decide by giving them information about how the different mechanisms play in practice. They do NOT pick anything (unless there's some sort of manipulation, but the consequences of that are serious when an NDA is signed), they're ASKED questions by LT and then answer accordingly after testing.
Killed u man
Ok, I said the juggernaught thing was stretchin it. But that, in essence, is what the test krewe is supposed to do.
Test stuff out, report errors, and post suggestions to fix said errors. The Siege Turtle/Juggernaught was supposed to put it into perspective, but you guys didn't look past the letters.
My point is that with only a handfull of players experienced in the PvP scene, how can we expect half decent updates now?
I can only HOPE that JR and Axiom get privelege spots in the PvP section, but even that doesn't fix the HA problem.
As for other fansites:
Pre-Searing has a fansite aswell, does that mean they should be included in the Test-Krewe aswell?
And no offence, but all those fansites I concider "non-PvP sites". I know the Test-Krewe is both PvE and PvP, and I might have missed if they anounced they were going to split up the Test Krewe in sections. (I can assume they will, but knowing anet...)
Bob the Charr farmer simply shouldn't have a voice in the descission on skill updates. I'm really sorry, but it's the truth.
What you guys want is to have a equal representation of the population in your Test Krewe. If that were the truth, Shadow Form would get BUFFED instead of nerfed.
What about chinese farmers, they deserve a say to?
My point is that you need the RIGHT PEOPLE for the RIGHT JOB. And Anet clearly failed at doing so.
Test stuff out, report errors, and post suggestions to fix said errors. The Siege Turtle/Juggernaught was supposed to put it into perspective, but you guys didn't look past the letters.
My point is that with only a handfull of players experienced in the PvP scene, how can we expect half decent updates now?
I can only HOPE that JR and Axiom get privelege spots in the PvP section, but even that doesn't fix the HA problem.
As for other fansites:
Pre-Searing has a fansite aswell, does that mean they should be included in the Test-Krewe aswell?
And no offence, but all those fansites I concider "non-PvP sites". I know the Test-Krewe is both PvE and PvP, and I might have missed if they anounced they were going to split up the Test Krewe in sections. (I can assume they will, but knowing anet...)
Bob the Charr farmer simply shouldn't have a voice in the descission on skill updates. I'm really sorry, but it's the truth.
What you guys want is to have a equal representation of the population in your Test Krewe. If that were the truth, Shadow Form would get BUFFED instead of nerfed.
What about chinese farmers, they deserve a say to?
My point is that you need the RIGHT PEOPLE for the RIGHT JOB. And Anet clearly failed at doing so.
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Here's to hoping JR is correct in his assumption concerning the balance forum lot. Especially if said balance forum members had anything to do with the most recent set of skill changes.
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Bob the Charr farmer simply shouldn't have a voice in the descission on skill updates. I'm really sorry, but it's the truth.
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If that were the truth, Shadow Form would get BUFFED instead of nerfed.
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You should stop now. You're getting hysterical.
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My point is that you need the RIGHT PEOPLE for the RIGHT JOB. And Anet clearly failed at doing so.
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You know a few people who have said they were accepted into the krewe. You do not know who was accepted but hasn't said so, and you don't know who else is in the krewe or what their experience/expertise is. In other words, what you are saying is pure speculation.
Maybe they don't have many "expert" PvP-ers... or maybe they do. If they don't, that may reflect the fact that the PvP population is a tiny minority compared to PvE-ers, according to A-net.
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What exactly do you mean by 'won't work properly'?
Izzy is hardly a push-over when it comes to balance, and will always analyze things himself before making a change. No amount of badgering from the LTK is going to change that. Let's not also forget that I believe he still runs the not-so-secret balance forum. If that was the case it would have happened a long time ago, but it didn't. Instead we got UAX, obs mode, J menu... ArenaNet do understand competitive play. Martin K particularly, having helped organize numerous tournaments for the German community over the years. Again, this isn't some master-class game design club. Anyone who is in LTK with the intention of having a serious influence on game design will not last long. They will soon feel burned out on their issues when they realize their voices are drowned out by countless others - as is always the case with large groups on a forum. Also, we have no idea how this will interact with the members of Izzy's forum, amongst whom are some more well known HA players. I would strongly assume that a quite a few of the balance forum guys will be merged into the LTK, which would explain why there haven't been that many notable PvP players outed here - because they are already in (though obviously they will still have to sign an NDA etc). [EDIT: I think "Tito Bad Boy Ortiz" and "bamboocha" made it in to LTK, both being (I believe) HA players of note.] |
For the siege turtles thing: If it were the truth, it would have happened a long time ago.
This isn't really true, because never has Anet put responsibility in the hands of the community. I gues what I'm fearing is that Anet BELIEVES they made a good selected in their LTK, and believe the LTK represents what is good for the game. Hence, if some randoms would make "bad PvP descissions" -Such as my siege turtles- , they would concider that as a serious possibility.
Again, sad as it is, but I can only hope the Balance forums get merged with the Krewe.
And last but not least: HA (My favorite scene)
Bamboocha NEVER plays HA. He played SF farm 1 year ago, and I haven't seen him since... SF got nerfed. (I'm serious, I haven't seen him ever since -Didn't he play A/P spike in GvG?)
I know Josh (Tito Bad Bot Ortizz) personally. And I know he's a great guy, and will do the best he can to give positive feedback. But the builds that guy plays, I can count on one hand.
He honestly has no clue how HA mechanics works. He's what is generally known as a "bitchbar"-player. (Sorry josh, but you're still a good player, and a nice guy )
What I wanted to see was people who understand HoH mechanics. Understand why Relic Run doesn't work. Understand why Cap Points is simply broken. (Blue always wins if you have equally skilled teams)
ESPECIALLY when they announced the new HoH map. I, honestly did, got my hopes up. Figuring it would restore some of HA's former glory. (KoTH, when HA was fun) But with only 2 mentioned HA names so far, 1 of which is a SF-farmer who hasn't HA'd in 1 year, and 1 of which I concider BARELY adequate...
Bleh.