The Guild Wars community did NOT want Hero Battles removed

Ectogasmic Ben

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Yes if you ask around quite a few people will say Hero Battles was dead and we needed somthing new...but think of the THOUSANDS of people who played and enjoyed hero battles. We didnt want it removed. Especially to be replaced with Codex Arean. Please bring it back OR make a Sealed Deck Hero Battles, this would balance PvP as we would have a Sealed deck version of TA and HB.
Please Discuss.

Kattar

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Oh sweet, another one of these threads.

It was broken. Regardless of whether you enjoyed it or not, it had to be replaced. I may enjoy driving my car around with flat tires, but I doubt the Police are going to allow that to go on for very long.

Get it?

keli

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Do you think you are the majority?^^

Darcy

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While many players competed fairly in HB, it was too open to cheating. I am sure that ArenaNet regrets depriving honest players of a format they enjoyed, but there is no way to repair a competition that so many players prefer to abuse.

Changing the skill format (Sealed Deck) would not change how HB is played.

JR

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Band-aid after band-aid were never going to make it work. It had to be pulled out by the root and replaced.

"The Guild Wars community" seems pretty happy about this update.

Abedeus

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I, for one, welcome our new Sealed Deck overlords.

HawkofStorms

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Yes... yes the community does want it removed.

You don't want it removed. YOU are not "the community." If you actually cared about HB, you would have been making posts about this 2 months ago when it was first announced. Instead, you are making knee jerk reactions. If the community honestly cared about HB... there would have been more of an uproar to stop this from happening in the first place.

crazybanshee

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Look out!

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hb was hopelessly broken. Any pvp title that allowed you to reap massive rewards without ever, you know, actually pvping, has no hope of being fixed. RIP hb.

Gift3d

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the hell they didn't. hb was the asshole of guild wars, maybe a few people didn't want it to go, but honestly they're hbers what do they know about my guild wars?

IronSheik

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HB was one of the more creative forms of PvP, albit crossing was screwed and teleports ruled the meta.

Sealed deck is TA over again.

Shadowspawn X

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You lie! The community doesn't want that crap.

lilDeath

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OP is little too late.
You should have said something (together with all the others) in all the threads that popped up 2 months ago, right after ANet announced the deletion.
Quite a number of threads were created.

HB / TA is gone, so roll with the tide and play Codex, or do something else (or not).

/shrug

Cracko

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I still dont understand why they just couldn't have kept both TA and HB.

Ravi

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@OP

i personally like HB disliked TA, the truth is it was a format that exploited Hero AI, the community in general did not like, the 50 people that did like it (that's not an official number), did not justify the server space that was required to run HB and TA.

even though i might agree with you personally, you speak for yourself, not the gw community.

PS. actually based on what i saw the last couple of weeks, you could say the only thing the community liked about HB was RR day, sorry, but it's the truth.

Eragon Zarroc

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HB was broken, unbalanced, and OVERTLY abused. it deserved to be removed whether or not 10 people wanted to keep it or everyone wanted to keep it.

harpharp

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i agree with OP putting the red resign stuff aside its actually fun!

i am very new to HB and initially when i tried it out i didn't like it due to the whole shrine capping crap where lamers start running the moment i run to a shrine. But when i got to learn a little bit more abt it it was very interesting when u consider the quick strat u have to apply when u realise ur opponents build. Sometimes i won by 1 or 2 points even if my build was inferior to my opponent 4/4 killing wise, sometimes i lost even if my build was superior cos of shrine running cap, but its really fun! especially when u kill the cappers and quickly thought of a strat to kill rest and gain upperhand on shrine stuff!

and for the record ppl shld stop blaming the meta crap. If others run the meta crap u can too so its down to a player quick thinking strat to win/lose a game

SmokingHotImolation

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THOUSANDS of people played and enjoyed hero battles.
You mean farmed the title by resigning as red and made 1000 zkeys that way.

Lykan

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@OP

Please do not try to speak for me again. HB was crap.

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I, for one, welcome our new Sealed Deck overlords.
this.

SpiritSpammer

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should of made it the way it was intended. just have the HEROS do all the fighting.

Arkantos

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A very small percentage (and I mean very small) did not want HB removed. The vast majority did, and are very pleased that it's gone. Maybe you didn't want it removed, but the majority did.

drunk n angry

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Band-aid after band-aid were never going to make it work. It had to be pulled out by the root and replaced.

"The Guild Wars community" seems pretty happy about this update.
which community are you in? i have spoke to countless numbers of people and i have only gotten a handful of people who have enjoyed playing this new pvp format. this is sadly yet another epic fail from guildwars live team. i'm saddened by the lack of understanding of the true guildwars community. the desires usually expressed on these forums are not the average players concerns nor cares. this is a forum of trolls who want nothing more then to cry and whine about when they get pwned and beg for things to get nerfed.

yes the rr days was a complete cheat, no it was not right, no not much that was there could be done about it, but who's to say that codex wont get rr days? it just takes a team of 4 people to leave and do you not think that there will be 8 people at a time who want to rr? look at how many districts there were during rr days in hb. the problem exists and there is nothing anet can do about it short of stop giving faction points for zaishen combats.

if it is the peoples will to cheat and discredit their own abilities then it will happen regardless of what format they are doing it on nor what skills they are provided with as it only takes the "m" button and a click to move back to the codex isle the same as hb.

think about it

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the hell they didn't. hb was the asshole of guild wars, maybe a few people didn't want it to go, but honestly they're hbers what do they know about my guild wars?
exactly!~ then again you play mostly pvp and you want to nerf sf or uwsc runs when it is something that i truly enjoy so what the heck does anyone know about MY GAME?

Shayne Hawke

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The Guild Wars community did NOT want RR removed
Fixed.12341234

Arkantos

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry View Post
which community are you in? i have spoke to countless numbers of people and i have only gotten a handful of people who have enjoyed playing this new pvp format. this is sadly yet another epic fail from guildwars live team. i'm saddened by the lack of understanding of the true guildwars community. the desires usually expressed on these forums are not the average players concerns nor cares. this is a forum of trolls who want nothing more then to cry and whine about when they get pwned and beg for things to get nerfed.

yes the rr days was a complete cheat, no it was not right, no not much that was there could be done about it, but who's to say that codex wont get rr days? it just takes a team of 4 people to leave and do you not think that there will be 8 people at a time who want to rr? look at how many districts there were during rr days in hb. the problem exists and there is nothing anet can do about it short of stop giving faction points for zaishen combats.

if it is the peoples will to cheat and discredit their own abilities then it will happen regardless of what format they are doing it on nor what skills they are provided with as it only takes the "m" button and a click to move back to the codex isle the same as hb.

think about it
Which community are you in? Pretty much every player I've talked to who hasn't played Guild Wars in months, both PvP and PvE players, have said this was the closest thing to fun they've had in Guild Wars for over a year. How is this an epic fail? They delivered exactly what they said they would. People were very interested in it when it was announced, and people are still interested in it, and will continue to be. Lack of understanding? I hope you are aware quite a bit of the community has been asking about sealed deck for a couple of years now.

CA isn't going to have RR. I can guarantee you that now. If it was going to, we would have seen it in TA, which we did not. Think it will happen if you want, but it will not.

Jecht Scye

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I, for one, detested Hero Battles with a firey passion

It always brightens my day to see a person think they speak for the entire community.

Apollo Smile

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Reading in game chat its pretty obvious most are glad to see Hero Battles gone. Myself included.

drunk n angry

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CA isn't going to have RR. I can guarantee you that now. If it was going to, we would have seen it in TA, which we did not. Think it will happen if you want, but it will not.
the only reason we didnt see it in ta is due to the fact that we still had hb, you dont think there were enough players doing rr to make it happen in ca? if you think that then you are blind to the fact that people enjoy making a mil gold in one day... dont underestimate the stupidity of cheaters mate is all i'm saying. and secondly which town or outposts are you in that people are saying nice things about ca? i tried it> didnt like it> asked my guild of 80+ people and most that i've talked to dont like it, asked the alliance of 10 guilds and i didnt get a single nice responce from the alliance, went to do some vsf runs and it was empty for a lil bit then everyone came back from ca and most didnt enjoy it... later i asked in kamadon d1 i got a view good responces for it, but most there again didnt like it,,,,>>> i took a concensus of the people available to me, i even tried in gtob while i was there trading and still i havent found more then a handfull of people who enjoy the new changes vs what we had. so go smoke another bowl and actually talk to the community before you ask me which one i'm talking to...

Black Sewon

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this is reason "guru" is not official website for guild wars. admins writing their opinions and ignored minority players who enjoyed format instead trying to talk and unederstand each others. since "wiki" is major community website, we shouldn't expect anything from "guru" (this is just unofficial guild wars website). so don't even wrtie this kind of opinions here Also people love SD right now, because they have a chance to get highest title in GW and this is "new" for now. I wonder how many people will keep playing this when they figured out that old "TA" players staying 24 hrs for farming pts and keep owning them (reason people quit TA becuase there was not enough players so they kept facing good teams over and over again and this will happen to SD in 1~2 months) . A-Net said this will be win-win for both TA and HB, but too bad this SD is just for TA players.

Captain Krompdown

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This segment of the Guild Wars community couldn't care less.

Please remember to speak for yourself and, even then, only when necessary.

Painbringer

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Glad its gone sorry... I am really glad. It was a follow the flag mess

Ectogasmic Ben

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ok fair enough, all valid points...but why was TA removed?

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give it a week or two. the honeymoon will wear off.

Clone

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The main thing I can't understand here is why people would want it removed.

I can completely understand someone not being interested in it. But, why does that automatically equate to obliterating its existance? If you don't like it, don't go there, problem solved. This thread just seems like a bunch of people gloating over raining on a minority's parade. I didn't play Hero Battles, but if there were people that liked it, good for them. I like a game that has lots of options.

I can also see that people might like sealed deck better, but again, can't both exist? Has the community shrank so much that spreading people out would cause all areas to be nearly empty? I didn't think things were in that dire of straits yet...

Ninja Ninja

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They really should have kept TA and HB instead of that Codex Arena which is a second RA.

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The main thing I can't understand here is why people would want it removed.

I can completely understand someone not being interested in it. But, why does that automatically equate to obliterating its existance? If you don't like it, don't go there, problem solved. This thread just seems like a bunch of people gloating over raining on a minority's parade. I didn't play Hero Battles, but if there were people that liked it, good for them. I like a game that has lots of options.

I can also see that people might like sealed deck better, but again, can't both exist? Has the community shrank so much that spreading people out would cause all areas to be nearly empty? I didn't think things were in that dire of straits yet...

you can probably count on one hand the people that -truly- played, enjoyed and liked actual hero battles. the rest were there for easy rewards.

Arkantos

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the only reason we didnt see it in ta is due to the fact that we still had hb, you dont think there were enough players doing rr to make it happen in ca? if you think that then you are blind to the fact that people enjoy making a mil gold in one day... dont underestimate the stupidity of cheaters mate is all i'm saying. and secondly which town or outposts are you in that people are saying nice things about ca? i tried it> didnt like it> asked my guild of 80+ people and most that i've talked to dont like it, asked the alliance of 10 guilds and i didnt get a single nice responce from the alliance, went to do some vsf runs and it was empty for a lil bit then everyone came back from ca and most didnt enjoy it... later i asked in kamadon d1 i got a view good responces for it, but most there again didnt like it,,,,>>> i took a concensus of the people available to me, i even tried in gtob while i was there trading and still i havent found more then a handfull of people who enjoy the new changes vs what we had. so go smoke another bowl and actually talk to the community before you ask me which one i'm talking to...
So you asked your PvE guild and PvE alliance, people in your PvE party and PvE players in Kamadan about a PvP format. Hey, I can talk to a bunch of PvE players about any PvP format, and I bet the majority are going to say PvP sucks. On the flip side, I can go talk to a bunch of PvPers about PvE, and the majority of them are going to lol. Hell, I can go talk to WoW players and the majority are going to say Guild Wars sucks.

You can ask a million players, but it doesn't mean shit if you're talking to the wrong players. Of course PvE players aren't going to enjoy a new PvP format, they're PvE players. Maybe you should stop smoking bowls and realize that asking PvE players their opinions on PvP formats is a dumb thing to do. Following your logic, the community does not like GvG because if you ask PvE players, they will say they don't like it. The community also does not like PvE, because if you ask PvP players about it, they'll say it's crap. Basically the community does not like anything in this game, by your logic.

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Maybe you should stop smoking bowls and realize that asking PvE players their opinions on PvP formats is a dumb thing to do.
better yet. smoke a bowl, go to a full loot PvP game like DarkFall, tell them you are a Guild wars PvP'er, and watch what happens.

BlackSephir

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You tell them, Ectogasmic Ben, you've been appointed The Guild Wars Community Spokesman for a reason!

axe

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They really should have kept TA and HB instead of that Codex Arena which is a second RA.
Not enough players to go around.

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You mean farmed the title by resigning as red and made 1000 zkeys that way.
Heh. I sensed Red Resign withdrawal too.

Symeon

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry View Post
the only reason we didnt see it in ta is due to the fact that we still had hb, you dont think there were enough players doing rr to make it happen in ca? if you think that then you are blind to the fact that people enjoy making a mil gold in one day... dont underestimate the stupidity of cheaters mate is all i'm saying. and secondly which town or outposts are you in that people are saying nice things about ca? i tried it> didnt like it> asked my guild of 80+ people and most that i've talked to dont like it, asked the alliance of 10 guilds and i didnt get a single nice responce from the alliance, went to do some vsf runs and it was empty for a lil bit then everyone came back from ca and most didnt enjoy it... later i asked in kamadon d1 i got a view good responces for it, but most there again didnt like it,,,,>>> i took a concensus of the people available to me, i even tried in gtob while i was there trading and still i havent found more then a handfull of people who enjoy the new changes vs what we had. so go smoke another bowl and actually talk to the community before you ask me which one i'm talking to...
PvEers not liking PvP... who'd have thought it????