The downward spiral of PvP

I think the addition of titles contributed the most to the degradation of pvp. All pvp formats now have a title to 'grind' so it is no longer about tactics and playing to win, its about who can farm the most title points the fastest. This is why Tombs/HA was so degenerate for so long. It simply took the addition of titiles to GvG, TA, etc. to lead to the demise of the rest.

On the other hand without titles many players have no incenetive to continue playing the specific formats. I don't think there is a correct answer at this point. I think it's sad how many people are simply playing improperly now and ruining the fun for the rest of us. Do these people who farm/leech still recieve gratification when reaching the maximum title in their Gladiator rank?

Personally I enjoy every kill, and enjoy re-killing when they're resurrected. I also enjoy dying, and laugh at how it's done. Learn and carry on playing as a team!

Your being really over dramatic, but you have a point, sort of.

Anet just doesn't feel the obligation to bring the same quality of gaming that they did previously now that GW2 is in the works. I think they do enough..

Most people paid about 140 euros in total for all the games. and how much hours did they play these games? there are people with more then 4000 hours!!!!!!!

And now think about other games, the adventure games for example. 60 euros and you play it for like 20 hours (completed)

And no with those games you won't get balances every 2 month and FREE updates!!!

Sometimes im wondering if it hurts Anet when people are complaining coz there is no update. It would hurt me kinda if i were a developer (i think) and i would stop making updates it's not that we pay for it..

soz bout fail english

My question … are the decisions actually nonsensical, or is the game being degraded on purpose? They knew before they axed TA and HB that RA syncing was going to be a deal breaker. Does anyone actually believe they couldn’t do anything about it other than mix districts? If you do, you’re crazy. They just didn’t want to. And what, pray tell, do you suggest, that wouldn't end up simply being an inconvenience to everyone who plays RA?

Talk about nonsensical...

And what, pray tell, do you suggest, that wouldn't end up simply being an inconvenience to everyone who plays RA?

Talk about nonsensical... HAHA, an inconvenience to people who play RA? WTF do you think sync teams are? Losing to a guild sync after 14 flawless is awful 'inconvenient'.

Sound like a syncer to me.

There have always been malcontents, but there was something for everyone. From the instant gratification of RA, to the highly structured and orchestrated GvG and HA with TA, HB and AB in between.

Along the way, through a number of seemingly nonsensical decisions and inconsistent administrative practices, every PvP format in the game has degraded to near ruin. Hey! AB is still quite gimmickless

First of all i'm going to have to say that players are apparantly more interested in PvE than PvP. I don't know why.
Because many people can't take losing, or the shit talking that comes with pvp. so they stick to pve where they always win, and the ai doesn't verbally abuse them.

Because many people can't take losing, or the shit talking that comes with pvp. so they stick to pve where they always win, and the ai doesn't verbally abuse them. Verbal abuse in PvP? Thats crazy talk.

I think the addition of titles contributed the most to the degradation of pvp. All pvp formats now have a title to 'grind' so it is no longer about tactics and playing to win, its about who can farm the most title points the fastest. This is why Tombs/HA was so degenerate for so long. It simply took the addition of titiles to GvG, TA, etc. to lead to the demise of the rest.

On the other hand without titles many players have no incenetive to continue playing the specific formats. I don't think there is a correct answer at this point. everyone should be gvging.. thats the point of the game after all.... its called guild wars for a fkken reason... and the other arenas would be fun-to-do things just to pass time, like you have 4 ppl in your gvg guild online, go do some TA or something.. not in the mood? go AB! you just wanna get some quick matches? go RA... but not to fill up some retarded purple bar to increase your e-peen... that is true, titles degenerated pvp, then nightfall broke it.

My question … are the decisions actually nonsensical, or is the game being degraded on purpose? Fair question. I honestly think it is a little of both. I think in the beginning (and for most of Guild War's life) the decisions for PvP were absolutely nonsensical to the point of being ridiculous and often hilarious. I can't even begin to count the number of times Anet attempted to fix an obvious problem only to:

A. Not actually fix the problem (or ignore the problem outright)
B. Make the problem worse
C. Create a new problem that is usually worse than the previous one

This has been what PvP has gone through for several years. As great as the PvP engine in Guild Wars is and as great as PvP used to be, nothing can take that amount of abuse and have its community stay with it.

Quite honestly I have come to the conclusion that Anet is incompetent when it comes to balancing, running, and maintaining a competitive game. I know this is true just from all the built up evidence. I have ZERO hope of a good competitive game in GW2...which leads to me second point.

The PvP game IMO has been downgraded somewhat on purpose since the introduction of GW2 and since Anet's realization that the PvE community is their new bread and butter. Anet now obviously knows that they are going to have to cater to the PvE players (specifically casuals and farmers) to survive, so intentionally or not (and whether people dispute it or not), PvP has received even less time in favor of making the majority happy.

I think Anet now WANTS the majority of players to be PvE farmers, because in all likelihood that is the game they are going to be unrolling with 2. It would be a bad idea for them to hype up the PvP (has anybody noticed there hasn't been much detail of PvP at all in GW2 outside of "world PvP") when they know that the majority of the people buying the game aren't going to playing it much AND because they know the screwups they made with PvP in GW1 have all but decimated any PvP playerbase and caused feelings of resentment towards the company.

In conclusion, to answer your question...yes.