Will Anet's Handling Of GW1 Dissuade You From GW2?

The actual handling of GW won't affect my purchase of GW2 for or against it. But the focus on grind might. GW1 was great when I got it (Christmas 2005) with basically zero grind. Now it's very different from that, still a good game though. But if this trend keeps going into GW2 I don't know if I'll buy it.

I really can't understand how or why you're expecting ANet to move into a development & support phase equivalent to the current state after release of GW2. I'm sorry, but that's just rediculous. You're comparing support of a game that's "on the last leg of it's lifecycle," as stated by the comm. rep, during the development of their entirely new game to the support of their new game while improving and adding to said new game. They're not going to release GW2 and say, "alright, we did it!" and start creating another entirely new game. Every expansion/addition and change subsequent to release is going to effect the entire game, which means everyone at ANet is working on improving the game we're playing. This is no different than any other company out there. Now, if you're expecting the original Guild Wars to be receiving regular updates and new content (still) post-GW2... that's dreaming. They'll "leave the servers up as long as people are playing it" but to expect anything more...

More nonsense. I didn't suggest your view had less validity than mine. However I have mentioned known facts about GW2 that show it will work differently to GW1. Others have pointed out that an expansion to a new game takes less development and can work in tandem with support of the original to a large degree. Several other views and arguments have been put forward, but you refute them all as 'fanboyism' with the 1 fact you keep repeating.... we have a small team now.

Yes we do.

The last content we had to pay for was EotN, released over 2 years ago. For the same amount of money I could buy all the GW campaigns + EotN or 1 Xbox 360 game. I am still playing GW after 3.5 years, a console game lasts 6 months at a very big push. We do get new quests with each halloween and wintersday, we get new weapon skins, a redesign of the UW it seems. The Zaishen menagerie and equipment bags to carry more have also been added and Zaishen quests breathing new life into many areas. Plus storage panes and makeovers people can pay for if they want. All this with no cost. Damn right I am happy with the support we are getting now and in my view anyone who isn't is an ingrate.

That still doesn't mean we will have the same level of support for a brand new and completely different game. If you have any new evidence to support your view, then please let us know, rather than just shouting the same thing louder and louder. (Which is effectively what you are doing.)

I am an Ingrate? I think you should call ANet your Daddy.

If you think the way that I voiced my opinions, which happen to disagree with yours, is against forum rules then feel free to report to the Moderator/Admin to have them perm ban me. Otherwise I would continue to do what I think is right even if that is unpopular to you or anyone else. You have no evidence to support your points that GW2.1 would have fewer people working on it.

Even if your guess is right, that GW2.1 is alot easier to develop, that does not imply that ANet would allocate LESS resources into GW2.1 development than they did for GW2. Why? Because there is no reason why having GW2.1 ready to market SOONER is a bad thing and the more resources that I have for GW2.1 development, the SOONER it would be ready. Noticing how they allocate their priority, right now, between the current release and the next release is more important than saying GW2.1 needs more or less resources to develop.

I only take the most recent level of support as an example.

Their level of support for the current game would not change, even after GW2 is released!

Checked again. So called "Kamadan English - Polish - District 1" is based in Texas. Unless NCSoft are "lying" with the IP addresses
I can also check with my friends based in Poland if you wish so. But I'm pretty sure none of them had any issues with the network

1.i think Anet has handled the game well. i may not have been here since the beginning but for the last yeazr it's been fine for me. most of the problems are kinda community driven (not saying its your fault) but we're always criticising everything rather than looking at whats been/being done.
2. buy GW2, not really because of the gameplay of guild wars, i'd buy it for the best online community ever! and also the story.

Hmm. You know, I read some of my first posts in this thread, and you might've misunderstood me..

I wasn't saying GW has lags all the time. But when there are lags, A.Net will just say "Oh, really? Okay then, sorry." and ignore the issue, because we don't pay them anymore. Usually their servers are quite lag-free and I was talking about the lack of support in case of abnormal lags.

Remember when they blamed high pings (100k+) on the heat wave two years ago or so?

XXXX (19:48)
no nie da rady
XXXX (19:48)
no ale jak ma ping 800 to definitywnie ma cos z providerem ..
na 100% ma cos zrabane
XXXX (19:51)
albo ma zawalony system jakimis downloaderami, trojanami etc, albo ma kijowego providera, albo ma 8975823652835 osob w sieci z non stop torrentem, albo cos innego podobnego

Had a quick word with one of the fellas. Others don't get anything like this either, and I never heard them complaining

Yes I remember lag spikes but never had anything like 800, omg

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And only because GW lags why everyone presumes it's their fault? They don't own any internet infrastructure do they? Few routers go bust (lets say) in NY and there you go... reason for the ping to go up

Well, I have several screenshots with nice pings. I never deleted a single screenshot so it was hard to find some with a really high ping in less than 10 minutes, but I have on right here with last ping 20k, average ping 11,7k. English district. And another, with last ping 13,5k, average over 1,6k. I know that torrents/downloads affect the latency and I'm not stupid to complain because of that.

But when you get such pings on a clean machine where every game on normal servers works fine...

Not to mention some folks on this very forum posted pings of 200k+. Probably those threads are long gone, but it's not easy to remember such thing.

This is stupid really.

Maybe ANet hasn't handled gw1 as well as I had hoped, but gw2 is completely different and in no way will be affected by the handling of gw1 as of now seeing they're putting so much time into gw2.

Not at all.

I hope they`ve learned from their mistakes in GW. Overall GW has been an amazing experience. Yes they mucked up here and there, but dont we all?

I'm seriously thrilled to start playing GW 2, need some serious patience though.

I honestly cannot complain about Guild Wars. I left for a few months to "try out the rest" and after a lot of disappointment I can sincerely say Guild Wars is among one of the best. Some people will hate it, some will love, in the end I'm just happy I enjoy it.

One of the things that amazes me is how many people are saying:

"I completely disagree with how Anet has handled/managed GW1, BUT...I am going to happily support them and buy GW2".

Amazes me really.

Why? It's not like I'm supporting euthanasia or something. I'm supporting a video game company. It shouldn't be taken seriously. Giving them money isn't sinful.

What he means is that people say:

"Euthanasia is bad because 1), 2), but I will vote for it."

It's a contradiction. Especially in the gaming business, if you don't like something, you vote with your wallet. You don't buy 5 copies of a game "just to teach them a lesson".

Well, what other games out there are like GW? None, Arenanet has a monopoly in that segment of the market.

I think you all will have to wait for a while after the release of the GW2 then buy it .Cos they might screw the GW2 again ... It seen like they cant learn from mistake . im getting bored after the UW nerf zzzz... Anyway i think they are already starting to screw GW2 up by delay and delay ...

Everything was fine and dandy during Prophecies and Factions. Only after Nightfall and EotN GW started to display cracks. For me, that is.

You asking me to wait 2 years to see if the game is any better than GW1?


And GW2 has no delay, there never has been a release date. Also, it has only been in development for ~3 years, expect 2 more, 5 years are an average of MMO-building.

The kind of parallels you draw between GW1 and GW2 borders at times on the amazing. As if ANY company would treat the follow up game of its franchise the same way as previous chapters, making the same mistakes and never learning...

Tbh (and without any intention to attack you, let this be clear) you seem to have a "beef" with Anet and take it upon them here in this thread. If you were SO MUCH against them that there's no way you'd consider buying GW2, wouldn't you have moved to greener pastures? If you've been put off so much by their bad handling of GW1, why are you still here on the biggest fansite of the game they sell? Why not move on in your gaming life and let GW to the people that appreciate it? (I'm not saying that your viewpoint is not welcome here, but again it's about being consistent as your message indicates)

I really think as I said before that you have a selective memory. Over the last 4 years Anet sold us 4 no-subscription MMO/CORPG/whatever-you-call-it videogame chapters with very regular updates, community/week-end events and many other changes. We had and still have a vibrant community overall, I mean "overall" (Guru still has a high throughput). There are big regrets but they can only hide the positive aspects if you've been directly hit by most of them (eg high-end PvP, high-end trading, etc.). Overall there's been a lot more positive than negative, even considering how important these negatives were, and that seems to be the overall impression in this thread.

It doesn't remove the validity of your viewpoint in any way, you're entitled to your opinion and no one has the right to dismiss it. But when put in perspective, it may well be a minority opinion. We'll only know when GW2 is on the shelves.

The problem is I'm not convinced they learned from their mistakes in GW1. At least, they certainly haven't shown us anything that should convince us they have learned. If they haven't learned now, what makes us think they have learned for 2?

And its a bit hilarious, because we have a lot of people in this thread who are indicating that they know this, yet they also indicate they will preorder 2 in hopes that things will be different. I think there is a dictionary word to describe these people...insane?

I mostly have moved on. Well, I don't play GW much anymore and neither does anybody I know. I only came back recently to play some Codex, but mostly left again after I found out the PvP community is dead there too. I post here once in a while as it is one of the few forums I like to browse and see if things have changed in the game I used to love. Besides, if this forum was full of only people who appreciated things, it would be a very boring forum. This forum needs people like me to be critical or it would be nothing but a carebear forum.

There are plenty of no-subscription games. I always find is humorous when the only thing good people can come up with about GW is "it has no monthly fee". As for those regular updates and events, I'm not even convinced many of those were good for the game. But such is life.

Tell that to the PvP community.

Because most of the remaining community only remains because they have a more positive impression! Most people who have a negative impression aren't posting here! Makes logical sense right?

It might be. But this thread asked a question, and I answered it.

That means, despite what was being said, ANet has fulfilled their support obligations well enough that people would continue to buy their games and that is the most important goal of providing us supoort in the first place. Maybe ANet's support level is not as good as they have hoped but good enough for them to buy the next game.

Despite the fact that they dont need to use a lot of staff members to support the current game, they are is still good enough to keep the revenue stream flowing. At least this seems to be the case for most of the posts on this thread.

You mean obligations like PvP-centric game with balance and chapters every half a year? Or "Your skill, not time spent playing the game, will make you succeed in the game"? Unless you are calling my Prophecies box a liar.

They've shown us almost nothing about GW2 apart from lore and general info.

Most people say they're not bothered by how GW1 was handled, you're looking at what you think is right but it is not, most people are ok and will buy GW2.

Not from Guru apparently.

This forum would be unbearable if it was full of so-called "critical" people who only come here to point at problems from the past (yes we should remember these things, but not only these ones). Do you participate in the Nolani forum much?

Which one compares with GW?

I'm already doing it.

There are the people who are critical but still play, and there are people like you.

And I'm doing here what we're supposed to do, discuss your answers.

I think he's basically saying that your Prophecies box was superseded by your Factions and then NF and then EoTn box.

Wow. So it's even worse. Because it turns out that if you bought Prophecies, after 6 months it's a completely different game. And after another half a year, more changes towards PvE.

i will buy gw2, even if they add some sort of super ninja style "electricshockstroughthemousethatmakesyouinvolunta rilycrapyourpants"
and no, that isnt a space between the a and the r

as a side note, this should be implemented as something that would happen when you broke 10 lockpicks in a row, instantly adding another level to your unlucky title, or lucky title if you swing that way...

And you knew that. It says somewhere on the box that "online experience may change" IIRC. You can still play Prophecies the way it was as it came out, apart from accumulated balance over the years, except for the PvP part of course. But you know that.

Unless another company is making GW2, I fail to see how past behavior isn't going to be the best indicator of future behavior.

No, most people are saying they had problems with the way GW1 was handled but are instabuying GW2 anyways before they get any information on it after its release.

I make a post or so a day. I log on GW once a week or so. Call it active or not I don't really care much.

Good thing you don't have many of those. You only have the other type of people.

There are plenty of free games that are at least as fun and time consuming as GW. Its just a matter of what you find fun.

Then you would know they have perfect reason to feel pretty bad about Anet or talk like me.

Bold quoted for emphasis.

GW2 has a much bigger team behing it and as a gaming platform will benefit from the experience Anet has learned. You cannot simply say GW2 will be like GW1. They started the GW2 project to go beyond the limit of the GW1 they created, they're certainly not going to make the same mistakes, players would spot these very quickly. This is business common sense.

I don't think this is true at all.

I don't really care what you do, I can see you here discussing GW1 and GW2. This is not "moving on".

Actually, overall Guru is very balanced, since it's not only Riverside, but also Nolani, Campfire, Gladiator.

I know about most F2P and I haven't tried any because what I read about them (and I do read a lot) clearly doesn't appeal to me to the level GW1 does. In my mind, no F2P has the balance of story, graphics, gameplay and PvE+PvP that GW1 has. Of course people could enjoy other F2P (I actually started MMOs with Silkroad Online and moving to GW seemed like a natural upgrade). GW1 is still fun, as you can read a bit everywhere on Guru.

Which is not to say that everyone is like you. As JR explained, many PvPers will try GW2 with the hope that it is what they expected GW1 to be, or even better.

I never said the contrary, and I've said it many times on Guru. But see comment above.

EDIT: a comment read on a friend's blog about Dragon Age:Origins explained that GW's AI was so much better than DA:O's. Although very different games, what this showed me is that you tend to forget how spoiled you are in GW1 until you compare it to other games (which is not to say that GW1 is perfect!)

Going beyond the limit is what scares me away from the game. It sounds as if they are simply going to continue the progression they started in GW1 but on a much wider scale than is possible with 1.

If I'm not buying GW2, I have moved on as far as Anet is concerned.

And I'm pretty surprised JR said that given what he knows about Anet. I simply do not see GW2 being what PvPers expected from 1. We know what Anet believes is right nowadays. But as I said...I will wait to see what people whos opinions I respect give me feedback on how the game is. I MAY buy it given great reviews, but as it stands now I find it very unlikely. I am certainly not somebody who complains about how GW1 was run and is preordering 2.

So you should know why I am so critical.

Just so we end this (well maybe): you're beyond criticism, you're not yet bashing Anet, but it's not very far. All you do here is explain how you no longer really play the game, yet have so much insight about what is wrong. You remember the wrongs, but not the rights.

I simply cannot, on any level, share your views, because I'm still enjoying GW1 when I can find the time to play it. There are still PvPers playing, albeit clearly not the people whose opinion you respect, and many PvPers ready to give GW2 a chance.

Of course I remember the rights. They happened before the wrongs came.

Then perhaps it all comes down to one's experiences. I personally have had my entire guild and friendlist quit the game over the things I am describing. I have logged onto the game time and time again to see empty district after semi-empty district (I still play once in a while for reference). If you are still having fun then great. But I think my opinions on whether or not to buy GW2 are justified.

Anet's been using GW2 as excuse for why they dont have time to work at GW1. With that, if GW2 is not gonna be perfect in every aspect, im not gonna buy it

I invoke the Dreamwind-Fril Law. Any thread that transforms into a quote war between those two has been completely derailed and should be closd.