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getting 1/2 recharge with every cast of Dhuums rest and the double judgement etc and the instantaneous magic teleport into Dhuums quest from wastes would also be required. I'm guessing he was either misinformed or made a mistake but we can hope its true and I would request humbly that you invite Sin Coil and Gluttony on your next run if it's real. please please.

thnx

Obviously you aren't using the same builds now as on the first page (IAU for example), but it sounds like you do both pits and wastes together as a full team. Would it not be quicker to do wastes & pits at the same time, with half a team in each?

Also if you want really fast times I suggest you start using E/A for the sliver tanks.

I don't really know how well this would work or if you have considered it already, but using an E/A in vale with stoneflesh, you can reduce the damage from IW to something like 2dmg / hit, which would then enable you to aggro several groups and sliver them.

A few pointers from doing duo/solo runs pre-nerf, most of these you are probably already doing but just to make sure:
4H: no need to clear plains, just have one tank pull all the aggro and other one take quest. If this quest can still be soloed that could save time, apparently it depends on when the silver webs spawn and how long they take to run down.
Vale: you can kill all graspings+pop reaper in roughly the same time with a sliver build as with a mesmer build by pulling everything into one mob and blocking on wall. During quest, the group of spirits on the hill die fastest if you aggro the 3 groups of coldfires and use them as fuel for sliver. Once quest is complete you can dcharge to the spider to lose aggro.
Pits: Kill everything in two pulls, first is obvious at the bottom as that group doesn't pull far, 2nd pull you go across the terrors and pull threshers + back group into them (although I don't know if they changed spawns now).
Pools: You used to be able to run to queen aggroing several charged groups, kill queen then dcharge over the heads of the charged to get away (charged aggro = sliver fuel). I don't know how many skeles spawn there now, but with an E/A maybe this is still possible before you die?
Mnts: nothing to say really other than an E/A should have a consistent 6min without too much trouble.
Wastes: Pre-nerf I used to do this in two pulls using a speed boost, which I guess you have to do now anyway because of the skele where king spawns.
Chamber: Take wastrel's worry end of Also you really do not need more than 3 points in inspiration, with grail channeling lasts 21secs and if you use eggs+corn as well then it's even longer.
A/D: lower the points in shadow arts so you can increase crit strikes and/or scythe. 10/10/11 split with 11 in crit works well if you use corn+eggs, otherwise 11 in shadow.
Using a Me/A with aneurysm will do crazy damage to terras if that would be useful anywhere (wasn't pre-nerf but who knows).

Also have a quick look at this, see if some of those ideas might work.

First off I would like to say it is always helpful to have suggestions or observations on improving the run, thank you "Impulsion" for your post. I'll attempt to answer a few things in regards to runs ive been apart of.

"Obviously you aren't using the same builds now as on the first page (IAU for example), but it sounds like you do both pits and wastes together as a full team. Would it not be quicker to do wastes & pits at the same time, with half a team in each?"

Builds adapt and change depending on the person using them. The builds posted on the first page were roughly what was used at that time but of course they are just templates to be modified and adjusted or even completely replaced by the player performing their specific role.

In the fast runs with pro players we only tele once. Wastes is the closest area to Dhuum and we have to all end up there anyway, it is not necessary for the whole team to be there for the quest but a quick tele and then quest leaves just a short walk to Dhuum.

"Also if you want really fast times I suggest you start using E/A for the sliver tanks."

Some have of course dusted off their old Ele's for sliver but the tera area's aren't the last completed anyway and decent sins still do mnts/pools/wastes prep done in 6-8min consistently. And since the paradox adjustment last month (it used to cast at 66% instead of 33% for SF) it is a hassle with natures renewal but some still do it i'm sure if they cant get it done on a sin in time.

"I don't really know how well this would work or if you have considered it already, but using an E/A in vale with stoneflesh, you can reduce the damage from IW to something like 2dmg / hit, which would then enable you to aggro several groups and sliver them."

Current vale is very different from pre-dhuum vale and sliver would be too slow and impractical.

"A few pointers from doing duo/solo runs pre-nerf, most of these you are probably already doing but just to make sure:
4H: no need to clear plains, just have one tank pull all the aggro and other one take quest. If this quest can still be soloed that could save time, apparently it depends on when the silver webs spawn and how long they take to run down."

As soon as anet changed plains and made reaper invulnerable after quest completion then clearing plains was no longer necessary. Soloing 4h was for the old clears but not practical anymore. It might be possible as a novelty with a bit of prep but haven't spent any time personally on it since we just pull aggro aside and take quest as you surmised. (although knowing how to glitch the 3 spawn for fast prep and tele is still useful for teams that had a tera death, a record run certainly couldn't take the time)

"Vale: you can kill all graspings+pop reaper in roughly the same time with a sliver build as with a mesmer build by pulling everything into one mob and blocking on wall."

We used to send an a/me in and have him hold graspings and kill skeletons then pull the graspings close enough to dryders to kill all at once but that took /age 7-8 and DT demands reaper pop around 4min so we do it different for speed runs or face his wrath.

"During quest, the group of spirits on the hill die fastest if you aggro the 3 groups of coldfires and use them as fuel for sliver. Once quest is complete you can dcharge to the spider to lose aggro"

That is certainly how sliver vale was often done. It is different now.

"Pits: Kill everything in two pulls, first is obvious at the bottom as that group doesn't pull far, 2nd pull you go across the terrors and pull threshers + back group into them (although I don't know if they changed spawns now).
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That is often how a/me used to prep pits before update although in speed runs they wouldn't kill back group until after they finished quest. It is of course similar but different now with threshers/collectors in different spawn spots. You might have fun hopping into one of the new uw runs to see all the changes. We use the "Sin Coil" pits pulls mostly so it is a little different and the quest is much different.

"Pools: You used to be able to run to queen aggroing several charged groups, kill queen then dcharge over the heads of the charged to get away (charged aggro = sliver fuel). I don't know how many skeles spawn there now, but with an E/A maybe this is still possible before you die?"

Again it is the same but different. Pools quest is taken and executed by the pool tera. Obviously some consideration for the Charged pops and stationary and roaming skeletons is part of the path and because there are 2 roaming skeletons that don't seem to have a predictable pattern (or at least it is inconsistent enough to seem so) some will choose to kill a few charged and a skeleton on the way to queen (shame! farming!!)

"Mnts: nothing to say really other than an E/A should have a consistent 6min without too much trouble."

It is no trouble for a sin

"Wastes: Pre-nerf I used to do this in two pulls using a speed boost, which I guess you have to do now anyway because of the skele where king spawns."

Wastes prep hasn't changed much other than it is typically cleared more thoroughly and 3 skele's are cleared. As to the speed boost some take it but i usually don't bother.

Chamber: Take wastrel's worry end of Also you really do not need more than 3 points in inspiration, with grail channeling lasts 21secs and if you use eggs+corn as well then it's even longer.

We usually use 2 a/me's and they adjust their bars to the individual job and playing style. Depending on the experience of the player they have different jobs and would tweak their bar accordingly. The bar at the beginning of the post is just a generic empathy based old school chamber bar not a specialized keeper/skele killer. Lots of variation exists including dropping dc,rad, etc and bringing wastrels,finish him, spirit of failure, echo and on and on depending on the specific job and playstyle of the player.

"A/D: lower the points in shadow arts so you can increase crit strikes and/or scythe. 10/10/11 split with 11 in crit works well if you use corn+eggs, otherwise 11 in shadow.
Using a Me/A with aneurysm will do crazy damage to terras if that would be useful anywhere (wasn't pre-nerf but who knows).

Also have a quick look at this, see if some of those ideas might work. "

Lately the a/d build is different and of course the better players will lower superfluous SA for more points in damage.

It is good that you put some of your thoughts down for others see and comment or trigger ideas of their own. I would strongly recommend that you do some uw runs so that you can see how things have changed and it would answer some of your questions right away. Some of the things in your link are a ticket to immediate fail so be sure people know it is just an outline of ideas and not a guide.

Of course with the impending skill updates most of the speed clear will change or cease to exist in this form anyway.

Would it be possible to post what runes/insigs to use for the Ele to drop down to 55?

scratch that... I have another question. Everyone starts out inexp...so what would be a good way to start learning how to use the builds? Besides joining a guild thats willing to help?

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the emo isnt 55 btw. skele's hit with armor/bond ignoring monster skill BS damage so a 55 would go poof in first bone spike.

Yeah Big Whoop, so u made a team build for advanced players. Try coming up with something for pugs then ill be impressed.

What is supposed the ele do before dhumm?

Flapjack thanks for taking the time to write that ^^

Firstly I see now that most of these ideas simply will not work, but you should also be careful not to dismiss things. I dismissed the idea of doing 4H in solo run without recall initially, but then on actually doing it found that it saved a lot of time. UW was done with pools & plains doing 4H together upto 8min, but in order to get 7min both solo 4h and E/A terra was needed - in fact mnts was also E/A for a lot of those runs as well. It seems that vale takes the longest to do, so making the terras faster so you can remove one person from pits/mnts/pools and instead put them in vale seems to be a possible aim (remember pre-nerf there were essentially 3 people doing vale and 1 for each other area). I know I'm basically screaming use ele primaries <3, but it really does improve times, as you said with sins you are looking at 6-8min mnts for example but with E/A it is literally 6min consistant meaning 5-6mins depending on spawn (I would have had 4-5min border-line a couple of times if it was done in an 8man SC).

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whats the trick of tanking dhuum on ele, symbosis needs to be up?

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