To start off I haven't play GW in over a year and I don't really remember a lot of old things nor do I know new things. I just came back a bit after seeing the all the SICK GW2 trailers.
So anyway, I am going to be playing casually and but want to try to get the KoaBD Title. I already had three max titles from doing Masters/Bonus Missions in all campaigns and I've decided to do the rep points for my next two.
Now to my actual post/question:
Could anyone possibly provide some builds for me and my heroes to do this. (I am a Ranger, btw). I don't really know what all those acronyms mean though and if you would even provide that template thing I'd be thrilled. Also, what exactly is this whole deal with killing yourself and then just using your heroes. I don't really understand that.
Thanks a bunch!
Speedbook on any toon
eggs0wn
Welthas
Those are some nice run times Doc, very nice to see something besides perma running speedbooks lol
CE Devilman
1 sos Rit + 2x Necros
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Death Magic 16
Command 7 ( to keep up "fall back")
Pve Titel on (dmg and HP)
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:PvXDecode
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Against the Charr..
1.U run and get quest..flag heros off..and die
2.Map (U) heros the way...set up spirits.. agro and flag heros behind spirits
3.swap book ...map out
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Curse of the Nornbear
flag heros off and die
if U see any foes...dont agro ..set up spirits ..flag heros behind spirits use Can't Touch This!" and kill em.(let em run into spirits)
pop Nornbear 1 (un-flag heros no need to fight him)
pop nornbear 2 (un-flag heros no need to fight him)
nornbear 3 (kill him ..set up spirits flag heros behind.."Find Their Weakness!")
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A Time for Heroes
..pve Titel on..and grap a beer.
3 skills U need..Dwarven Stability - Drunken Master - any Interrupt skill (Lava Wave)
add in any bow/dagger/spear/sword skills..
(more on page 2)
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last note: Genius Operated Living Enchanted Manifestation
dont need a rez hero..after U kill the 2x Bringer of Destruction...kill U heros and henc..and U rez in center ..run up and its over.
(more on page 2)
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Death Magic 16
Command 7 ( to keep up "fall back")
Pve Titel on (dmg and HP)
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:PvXDecode
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Against the Charr..
1.U run and get quest..flag heros off..and die
2.Map (U) heros the way...set up spirits.. agro and flag heros behind spirits
3.swap book ...map out
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Curse of the Nornbear
flag heros off and die
if U see any foes...dont agro ..set up spirits ..flag heros behind spirits use Can't Touch This!" and kill em.(let em run into spirits)
pop Nornbear 1 (un-flag heros no need to fight him)
pop nornbear 2 (un-flag heros no need to fight him)
nornbear 3 (kill him ..set up spirits flag heros behind.."Find Their Weakness!")
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A Time for Heroes
..pve Titel on..and grap a beer.
3 skills U need..Dwarven Stability - Drunken Master - any Interrupt skill (Lava Wave)
add in any bow/dagger/spear/sword skills..
(more on page 2)
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last note: Genius Operated Living Enchanted Manifestation
dont need a rez hero..after U kill the 2x Bringer of Destruction...kill U heros and henc..and U rez in center ..run up and its over.
(more on page 2)
Doc Roboto
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Originally Posted by Zodiak
I'm just wondering. Is it really worth it doing GOLEM at an additional 8 minutes compared to doing Against the Charr, Curse of the Nornbear and A Time for Heroes which is supposed to take 8 to 15 minutes? and woudnt it double the time for a Speedbook?
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No, it's not worth it.
GOLEM does not contribute to the effectiveness of speedbooking.
Yes, it would roughly double the time requirements.
You would receive 1500 more rep per book.
ATC+COTN+ATFH = 3k rep @~8 mins
ATC+COTN+ATFH+GOLEM = 4.5k rep @~16 mins
I found it was a nice break to do GOLEM on a set of books when the repetition of the other 3 became too much.
No point otherwise.
Darkest Fullalla
Yea i got a question, how are you guys getting 4mins on COTN? im averaging 9mins...What are you guys doing diffrently? When I go in I have my group kill the mandragors, then I have to kill 2 more jotun groups that are in my way. Are the 2 jotun groups i mentioned spawning in your runs?
epicfail86
are you sure your are saccing right in the beginning? if you move up too far you'll spawn the jotun.
Zodiak
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Originally Posted by CE Devilman
1 sos Rit + 2x Necros
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Kapral
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Cut and paste this build onto your ranger for a quick win.
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I can never kill him in ATFH.
Any ideas guys?
Doc Roboto
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1 - Your monks are not at 13 prot prayers
2 - Not casting hero enchantments in the correct order
3 - Not interrupting lava wave (cases spawning of additional destroyers sometimes catching hero aggro)
If you still seem to die in the same manner, try running a discord build as essence snow suggested in an earlier post (just as fast and requires less messing around).
Remember your delver title.
WhiteAsIce
Gonna test this out later today, since CotN is today's Z'mission.
Kapral
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Originally Posted by Doc Roboto
A few things can mess it up.
1 - Your monks are not at 13 prot prayers 2 - Not casting hero enchantments in the correct order 3 - Not interrupting lava wave (cases spawning of additional destroyers sometimes catching hero aggro) If you still seem to die in the same manner, try running a discord build as essence snow suggested in an earlier post (just as fast and requires less messing around). Remember your delver title. |
I appreciate it. I finally killed him, now time to do it 100s of more times ;p
Belle Dwayna
Thx Devilman for your help. Books are too easy now =)
I did quickly a mod for texmod for Against the Charrs an Curse of the nornbear
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YN80Q008
I did quickly a mod for texmod for Against the Charrs an Curse of the nornbear
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YN80Q008
Doc Roboto
Was just browsing youtube and saw a great vid posted by Ressmonkey.
Check it out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNpSrflJkXA
He explains in detail how it all works.
Check it out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNpSrflJkXA
He explains in detail how it all works.
Zinfra
Sorry for my question, I hope that this is the correct thread.
why destroyer sometimes attack my bots in ATFH?
Not always, around 1 time every 4
Nerfed by Anet?
why destroyer sometimes attack my bots in ATFH?
Not always, around 1 time every 4
Nerfed by Anet?
epicfail86
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Originally Posted by Zinfra Sorry for my question, I hope that this is the correct thread. why destroyer sometimes attack my bots in ATFH? Not always, around 1 time every 4 Nerfed by Anet? |
If you fail to interrupt lava wave he spawns more foes which may aggro your heroes. Rarely a hero may run up to use a skill on you, if that's the case disable the skill.
Also: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...o_SpeedBooking
Zinfra
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Originally Posted by epicfail86
If you fail to interrupt lava wave he spawns more foes which may aggro your heroes. Rarely a hero may run up to use a skill on you, if that's the case disable the skill.
Also: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...o_SpeedBooking |
)I now have to be fast also to interrupt eheh....
Zodiak
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Originally Posted by Belle Dwayna
Thx Devilman for your help. Books are too easy now =)
I did quickly a mod for texmod for Against the Charrs an Curse of the nornbear http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YN80Q008 |
own age myname
This is sweet. Thanks a bunch for this.
Huiboo
Tested it, works great.
I dont think its really slower than on a sin:
AtC: Heros running with 33% so a sin couldnt do the way to the bosses faster.
Killing the boss only takes slightly longer.
CotNB: Heros running with 33% speed buff and no breaks to recast SF, so faster than a sin could be.
Killing doesnt really take longer, because sin cant really help there much.
ATFH: Basically the same bar as a sin just minus the runes so only a few secounds slower.
Also you only need to change your build once not twice.
You lose some time in AtC (if any) and ATFH and gain some in CotNB so all in all your maximum 1min slower than a Sin - not really a reason to spend 3k/book and the time searching for a runner.
I dont think its really slower than on a sin:
AtC: Heros running with 33% so a sin couldnt do the way to the bosses faster.
Killing the boss only takes slightly longer.
CotNB: Heros running with 33% speed buff and no breaks to recast SF, so faster than a sin could be.
Killing doesnt really take longer, because sin cant really help there much.
ATFH: Basically the same bar as a sin just minus the runes so only a few secounds slower.
Also you only need to change your build once not twice.
You lose some time in AtC (if any) and ATFH and gain some in CotNB so all in all your maximum 1min slower than a Sin - not really a reason to spend 3k/book and the time searching for a runner.
aspi
Maybe a stupid question but here goes, ATC worked like a charm but for cotnb I keep on getting rezzed by one of the hench monks.
Ofcourse it could be, very well might be, that I let the mandagors kill me instead of saccing because I am not sure what skill is used for this.
Ofcourse it could be, very well might be, that I let the mandagors kill me instead of saccing because I am not sure what skill is used for this.
Zodiak
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Originally Posted by aspi
Maybe a stupid question but here goes, ATC worked like a charm but for cotnb I keep on getting rezzed by one of the hench monks.
Ofcourse it could be, very well might be, that I let the mandagors kill me instead of saccing because I am not sure what skill is used for this. |
Doc Roboto
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Originally Posted by aspi
Maybe a stupid question but here goes, ATC worked like a charm but for cotnb I keep on getting rezzed by one of the hench monks.
Ofcourse it could be, very well might be, that I let the mandagors kill me instead of saccing because I am not sure what skill is used for this. |
There is a complete PvXwiki guide with a link to a video found here: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...o_SpeedBooking
aspi
Thank you thank you, I coulnd't see the icon very well didn't have the skill yet so did not recognize it. Sounds so logical when the guy in the vid says use bip(blood is power) doh. Worked like a charm, of to try atfh
acastillo666
i had so much trouble in atfh with my mesmer but i got the hang of it and now im raping the stupid great destroyer.
aspi
I got it all down, still doing the great lava turkey on the normal way which is also pretty fast. But I tried to do it according the video, but my enchantments are gone when I am half way. Must be doing something wrong but haven't stopped to think about it.
Zodiak
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Originally Posted by aspi
I got it all down, still doing the great lava turkey on the normal way which is also pretty fast. But I tried to do it according the video, but my enchantments are gone when I am half way. Must be doing something wrong but haven't stopped to think about it.
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FyrFytr998
Wasn't something similar like this done for Droks running and Anerf killed it? While I'm gonna be sure to give it a go. I can't see the powers that be letting this slide as it rises in popularity. I mean they killed Luxon AFK farming for pete's sake that provided nothing of value to the player other than faction. And you know the QQer's will eventually come out the woodwork saying how this isn't how the game was intended to be played.
Well, I better stop typing, and get to booking while it lasts, thanks!
Well, I better stop typing, and get to booking while it lasts, thanks!
aspi
Would be pretty easy to nerf this I guess, heroes also trigger enemies and it's done?
Spiritz
droks running was abuse of 1 skill mainly - unyielding aura which anet had a major flaw with , it could rez at any distance - even start of a map ( you ) and dunkoro at other end nr exit.
The current bit where you die and heros do the work isnt as flawed - ok it can do several quests etc but if heros fail and die you have a long way to go again when team rez.
Heros dont activate rez shrines also.
The current bit where you die and heros do the work isnt as flawed - ok it can do several quests etc but if heros fail and die you have a long way to go again when team rez.
Heros dont activate rez shrines also.
chessyang
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Originally Posted by aspi
heroes also trigger enemies and it's done?
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FyrFytr998
Tried it. Awesome!
Elephantaliste
anyone got a a list of times that could be achieved for every missions ?
what happens if we consider doing more than one additionnal missions ?
for exemple,
im basing one these numbers : http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=40
(and you can check book rewards here : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hero%27s_Handbook)
let's compare to what we get from a full speed book
Your first missions are done in record times, but thanks to non-linear rewards you can complete more of them for more rewards in more time.
Now for your next tries, a shortcut to check if your times are worth it.
So let's say you try a 3 mission speedbooking and you personnally need X mins
If you find a way to complete 8 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*30k= X*10 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 7 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*22,500= X*7.5 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 6 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*18,000 = X*6 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 5 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*15,000 = X*5 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 4 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*12,000 = X*4 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 3 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*9,000 = X*3 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 2 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*6,000 = X*2 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 1 more mission aswell in less than X/3000*4,500 = X*1,5 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 0 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*3,000 = X*1 mins, you better do that.
Filling whole book is obviously more rewarding and is proportionnally allowing more time.
Now i don't know required time for every missions (on their speedy/gimmick completion version).
what happens if we consider doing more than one additionnal missions ?
for exemple,
im basing one these numbers : http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=40
(and you can check book rewards here : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hero%27s_Handbook)
let's compare to what we get from a full speed book
- For present standard speedbooking we complete 3 missions, get 8 filled pages and matching reward of 3k rep. points, in 16min.
- Imagine you decide to complete 8 more missions taking 16min each ! You then get 30k rep. points in : 16+8*16=144min.
Your first missions are done in record times, but thanks to non-linear rewards you can complete more of them for more rewards in more time.
Now for your next tries, a shortcut to check if your times are worth it.
So let's say you try a 3 mission speedbooking and you personnally need X mins
If you find a way to complete 8 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*30k= X*10 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 7 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*22,500= X*7.5 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 6 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*18,000 = X*6 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 5 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*15,000 = X*5 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 4 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*12,000 = X*4 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 3 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*9,000 = X*3 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 2 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*6,000 = X*2 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 1 more mission aswell in less than X/3000*4,500 = X*1,5 mins, you better do that.
If you find a way to complete 0 more missions aswell in less than X/3000*3,000 = X*1 mins, you better do that.
Filling whole book is obviously more rewarding and is proportionnally allowing more time.
Now i don't know required time for every missions (on their speedy/gimmick completion version).
chessyang
Doc Roboto
It's difficult to get exact numbers on completion times from screen shots.
I figured it would be worth a shot doing 10 HM books to gain 30k rep and time the entire process. This includes build swapping, zoning etc.
My final time was 85 minutes. Could have been a tad faster if I did it perfectly, but I did mess up a few times.
Additionally, I think I was a bit lucky with the spawns in ATFH as I had only 1 instance where 2 deeds spawned.
I cannot prove anything.. I only did it to satisfy my own curiosity. Just posting the info on here FYI.
I think anyone would be able to get times like this after you familiarize yourself with the information available and become proficient.
NOTE: Was done using the hero builds posted on the PvXwiki page for hero speedbooking (thx epicfail86, great builds & write-up).
I figured it would be worth a shot doing 10 HM books to gain 30k rep and time the entire process. This includes build swapping, zoning etc.
My final time was 85 minutes. Could have been a tad faster if I did it perfectly, but I did mess up a few times.
Additionally, I think I was a bit lucky with the spawns in ATFH as I had only 1 instance where 2 deeds spawned.
I cannot prove anything.. I only did it to satisfy my own curiosity. Just posting the info on here FYI.
I think anyone would be able to get times like this after you familiarize yourself with the information available and become proficient.
NOTE: Was done using the hero builds posted on the PvXwiki page for hero speedbooking (thx epicfail86, great builds & write-up).
epicfail86
Since Shadow Form has been nerf, time to give this a little bump.
My best time have been(all times rounded up ofc, screenshots coming):
3 minutes for CotNB
3 minutes for AtC
1 minute for ATFH
My worst
4 minutes for CotNB,
3 for ATC
1 for ATFH
I think this is about my average after doing 10 books, maybe a little bit less.
My best time have been(all times rounded up ofc, screenshots coming):
3 minutes for CotNB
3 minutes for AtC
1 minute for ATFH
My worst
4 minutes for CotNB,
3 for ATC
1 for ATFH
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My final time was 85 minutes. Could have been a tad faster if I did it perfectly, but I did mess up a few times.
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Master_Sepp
Can you give me the build for killing the nornbear? Always have problems with this :/
epicfail86
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Originally Posted by Master_Sepp
Can you give me the build for killing the nornbear? Always have problems with this :/
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Certainly
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...o_SpeedBooking
CE Devilman
if U cant do the backdoor ..well use the front..all U need now is to fight 4 more charr..(3 dots in camp)
Solette
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Atfh can be h/h in 1 min by anychar using PI and discords if anyone is having problems with using the 105 way. Just kill the two destoryer of lives on the left side and any other destroyers on left side and then lead aggro of Great Destroyer with PI and it'll hit it for 75% health in one hit, PI again if it is not dead by time of recharge...and your done. Just Use discords and normal build/armor/PI easy pie.
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Sorry for asking but what PI is? I have big problems with following PvX guide on 105 with my necro.
omens
PI = Pain inverter, and yes much much quicker than any solo build. The any/sin with 3 monk heroes is about the same speed.