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Paradise Lost

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

UK

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:00 - 1

Heres a link to a thread on QQ about the current and most serious bot in use.

LINK REMOVED - We do not allow links to bots of any kind! This includes indirect links. - Earth

Now if you know about this, don't flame and say its old. Thats not the point, the point is to get this botting stopped. Only Anet can do this so this bot needs showing to as much of the public as possible. Hopefully then, something will get done about it.

P.S If the language on QQ offends you thats tough, its not guru.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

06 Jan 2010 at 18:19 - 2

This botting stuff has been getting alot of play lately. Report them to ANET per the support pages here:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/default.php

and if they are in have broken the rules as outlined here:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...d_outcomes.php

Then they will be punished. If not then they will not be punished.

And you MAY or MAY NOT be informed about it outlined here:

Those who report a possible rules infraction by another player may be given general information on the outcome of their report, but details may remain confidential.

I think there is an additional area to report bots also. Perhaps someone else can post it.

As for the site/thread report them to ANET.

Not sure how posting it here will get it stopped. You may however expand it use more by giving it more exposure.

Oh you also may get a bunch of peoples accounts hacked... Who knows what malicious software is attached to all that crap. Nice Job!!!

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:19 - 3

Nice. Now all of Guild Wars Guru can fill the game with more bots. Thanks.

snoozer80

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Poland

For Your Entertainment [FYE]

06 Jan 2010 at 18:19 - 4

This game really sucks.. When Anet will realize that?

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:23 - 5

If you search guild wars bot, this is what you get

Quote:

Originally Posted by google search

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,080,000 for Guild Wars bots. (0.27 seconds)

Its not something that players don't know, however it is something ArenaNet not looking into. LIKE SYNC

Lovele

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Romania

Brothers in Harms

06 Jan 2010 at 18:30 - 6

Never saw someone botting so far. Maybe because im only lvl 13 but botting is a very bad idea and anet shall do something against it. It is not acceptable that a pay to play game to has botters and hackers.

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:32 - 7

yep and the joke is that it is available because of a programming failure, i have been told that this failure is easily correctable, but im not sure

maybe this is one of the reasons why they are working on gw2

and yes , this is what i didnt want to link in my last thread

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

06 Jan 2010 at 18:34 - 8

I used to report bots on a regular basis in Aug Rock, they all got whacked eventually.

Is it ANET no longer cares or the players no longer bother to report them properly due to a belief that ANET will not do anything about it?

Posting it here IMO is most likely going to result in the thread being locked soon with no further action taken. We just cannot post here and expect ANET to clean up the bots or police the internet.

Report them through the correct channels, right now its the best thing to do.

LOL Link removed lock to follow......

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:36 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I used to report bots on a regular basis in Aug Rock, they all got whacked eventually.

Is it ANET no longer cares or the players no longer bother to report them properly due to a belief that ANET will not do anything about it?

Posting it here IMO is most likely going to result in the thread being locked soon with no further action taken. We just cannot post here and expect ANET to clean up the bots or police the internet.

Report them through the correct channels, right now it the best thing to do.

LOL Link removed lock to follow......

it is pretty hard to report pvp bots because the GMs can never be sure they use the program

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:43 - 10

at least bad players will play gvg and it will be more popular xD

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:44 - 11

We should be careful as botters probably spam the idea that ANET doesn't do anything about bots so that ppl won't report them in the first place.

Keep those reports flowing in. Whether it's true or not that Anet doesn't look into some or all is irrelevant. I'll do my job even if my collegues don't.

Sunyavadin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:45 - 12

Learn to play the game properly with 4 accounts on two dual monitor systems. Then you don't need botting apps. Or PUGs. Or a life.

It worked for me.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

06 Jan 2010 at 18:45 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by keli

it is pretty hard to report pvp bots because the GMs can never be sure they use the program

Report em and let ANET sort it out. If the same group/people keep getting reported I would lay odds that some kind action will be taken.

I could be totally wrong I do not observe PVP much. However there have been recent posts here (since locked) accusing others of botting and both sides had compelling points which seems to prove each others points. I think the best thing is to report em and let ANET sort it out. Otherwise it turns into a flame war....

Last July during wintersday in July the random snowball arena had tons of bots that would stand at the bottom of the cliffs and launch snowballs into the side of the cliff as long as I stood on the upper portion of the cliff. I reported them also.

PVE bots have in the past been pretty easy to spot.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

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06 Jan 2010 at 18:48 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Does this mean they will, finally, also ban people botting Wintersday and Rollerbeetleracing event over the past 3 years?

Report them and find out.

Gaile once posted this:
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We're now at more than 3,500 bots blocked since the start of May. If you want to help--totally voluntary, of course!--you're welcome to gather a list of names and PM me. My PM box is chronically full, though, and I'll apologize in advance if you get a bounce so your better bet is to send bot names to "[email protected]" Be sure you put "Bot Names" in the subject line, because that address is generally only for reports of offensive names.

All bot reports will be investigated -- no one would be blocked simply because a name was reported, of course.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

The match has been struck

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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06 Jan 2010 at 19:06 - 15

these are pvp bots, not pve
you cant just ban them like pve bots,

1, these are real players
2, it is not easy to detect the bot
3, this is pvp so anet doesnt care
+ imo they dont even believe there are pvp bots and we would get Gaile Gray's answer: "when people are complaining about pvp, I often find that they are failing to win."

Divine Ashes

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chicago

LFG

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06 Jan 2010 at 19:19 - 16

The reason this particular method of botting was made public was not so that more people would do it, but more along the lines of why somebody posted the security flaw in the NCSoft website; so that Anet and both the general public is made aware of it. The more people that are aware of the problem, and the more people that complain about it, the better of a chance there is that something will be done about it.

This particular bot was used for interrupting purposes in GvG, giving assured interrupts on crucial skills whether you're playing a mesmer or a ranger. This is a total gamebreaker, as GvG is fragile and relies on fair play all the way around. If you take fair play out of GvG, you take away the whole point of it. If the problem continues, GvG will die out even more than it already is, taking away the biggest competitive point this game has to offer.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

06 Jan 2010 at 19:21 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by keli

these are pvp bots, not pve
you cant just ban them like pve bots,

1, these are real players
2, it is not easy to detect the bot
3, this is pvp so anet doesnt care
+ imo they dont even believe there are pvp bots and we would get Gaile Gray's answer: "when people are complaining about pvp, I often find that they are failing to win."

I know they are PVP bots thanks!

If ANET cannot tell the difference then you all are screwed and nothing can be done. But if the same player always interupts something at the exact same time over and over again that IMO would warrant a report. ANET then has to make a judgement.

If they feel it is botting then they will do something if not they won't. Not sure what else can be done.

Back to the case of the snowball arena bots I was able to use that to my advantage and lure the bots to one side, while the teammates cleaned up the presents. A true bot is predicitable and can be made to fail in its task.

If the person is monitoring it and changes it behavior then it would indeed be extremely hard to detect.

I see that the fuel has gotten here

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

06 Jan 2010 at 19:26 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divine Ashes

This particular bot was used for interrupting purposes in GvG, giving assured interrupts on crucial skills whether you're playing a mesmer or a ranger. This is a total gamebreaker, as GvG is fragile and relies on fair play all the way around.

And this behavior is totally deserving of a ban.

All that I am saying is that players need to make a tight case, and that "innocent until proven guilty" needs to be the proof standard. Otherwise this will just degenerate into a witch hunt, and those are always easily manipulated to serve political purposes.

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

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06 Jan 2010 at 19:56 - 19

And people wonder why their accounts get hacked...

Divine Ashes

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chicago

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06 Jan 2010 at 20:03 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

And this behavior is totally deserving of a ban.

All that I am saying is that players need to make a tight case, and that "innocent until proven guilty" needs to be the proof standard. Otherwise this will just degenerate into a witch hunt, and those are always easily manipulated to serve political purposes.

I'm not personally advocating a witch hunt for any pvp bots. Something much better than this could possibly done. If you read the qq forums topic, there is a lengthy discussion as to possible solutions that could eradicate these bots altogether. Whether these methods are reasonable, easy, or feasible at all I'm not sure.

Also, people still seem to be confusing these pvp bots for computers that play the entire game for you. In this case, they are not. All this is is a program that recognizes the pixel changes in a particular skill and reacts for the player automatically by using one of the interrupt skills on your bar. You still play through the match otherwise.

niek2004

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Afk in Gh.

Old N Dirty[ym] Good Tactics[Good]

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06 Jan 2010 at 20:09 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divine Ashes

I'm not personally advocating a witch hunt for any pvp bots. Something much better than this could possibly done. If you read the qq forums topic, there is a lengthy discussion as to possible solutions that could eradicate these bots altogether. Whether these methods are reasonable, easy, or feasible at all I'm not sure.

Also, people still seem to be confusing these pvp bots for computers that play the entire game for you. In this case, they are not. All this is is a program that recognizes the pixel changes in a particular skill and reacts for the player automatically by using one of the interrupt skills on your bar. You still play through the match otherwise.

Actually they read packets, its not a pixel bot. Which means that you don't have to select anyone at all to get the interrupts going.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

06 Jan 2010 at 20:11 - 22

I completely agree that in principle it is possible to program a PvP interrupt bot. I agree that such is reprehensible. I used to play GvG ATs, and I'll be the first to say that I'd be irritated if my BSurge on spike had been perma-PBlocked by a bot.

That said, I have a hard time seeing how dictating the interrupt bot's positioning makes you a "player". If that were the case, I and my laggy connection would be a great Mesmer. But that isn''t how it works for a reason.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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06 Jan 2010 at 20:17 - 23

I can't help but speculate whether swifter action would be taken if actual cash prizes were still being awarded.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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06 Jan 2010 at 20:26 - 24

Am I the only one that finds this funny?

GW has a TON of security problems and one of the problems (that I would label a "security problem") is that the game is too easy to bot. The fact that PvP players are just now doing something rash to bring it to Anet's attention doesn't mean that these same PvP interrupt bots (and others) haven't existed in the game for a while.

They're doing this out of desperation. I just hope that Anet actually gets the message.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

06 Jan 2010 at 20:35 - 25

I think this thread is hilarious.

I'm being informed that the bots themselves have been around for a long time, but if more people know about them they might as well scrap PvP too. Shame, only good part of the game, lawlz.

edit: I wonder when people are gonna start making cancel-bots? lawlz, cancel if mesmer is casting pblock on you! lololol

also, if you want to see the teamquitter thread just type "site:www.teamquitter.com bot" into google, without the quotes. But anyone who isn't internet retarded already knew that, amirite?

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

06 Jan 2010 at 20:46 - 26

Hello. Please do not continue the RBR/Snowball bot discussion here. That thread got locked for a reason.

Also, right now it is pretty obvious where it can be found, the only thing that was removed was the direct link to the thread. If we really wanted to "ostrich the problem", we would've deleted it. PM me if you want to discuss this.

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

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06 Jan 2010 at 20:48 - 27

The site does not support the use of bots or anything the violates the End User Licensing Agreement you sign when you install Guild Wars. Linking to a site that promotes the use of a bot like the thread that was deleted basically condones the action of using a bot.

We don't allow it because ANet doesn't allow it.

If you want to call names, that's an entirely different matter that can be taken care of very quickly.

Paradise Lost

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

UK

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06 Jan 2010 at 21:18 - 28

Well, the best i could hope for is people to talk about solutions more. Link or no link.

cloud4905

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2008

Retired

W/Mo

06 Jan 2010 at 23:54 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by snoozer80

This game really sucks.. When Anet will realize that?

They won't. They're too busy ruining Aion at the moment.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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07 Jan 2010 at 00:02 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloud4905

They won't. They're too busy ruining Aion at the moment.

ANet has nothing to do with Aion. NCSoft has little to do with Guild Wars(they finance it, provide servers and support).

Divine Ashes

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chicago

LFG

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07 Jan 2010 at 02:22 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

I completely agree that in principle it is possible to program a PvP interrupt bot. I agree that such is reprehensible. I used to play GvG ATs, and I'll be the first to say that I'd be irritated if my BSurge on spike had been perma-PBlocked by a bot.

That said, I have a hard time seeing how dictating the interrupt bot's positioning makes you a "player". If that were the case, I and my laggy connection would be a great Mesmer. But that isn''t how it works for a reason.

My point was that there's still a human behind that bot. It doesn't make it any less deplorable, I was just clearing things up.

Also, teamquitter was not promoting the use of bots. Some of the more hardcore players in the game use the qq forums, and they more than anybody don't want to see the widespread use of bots. The thread was more to make people aware that it is entirely possible to make an interrupt bot, as was speculated at length previously with certain players in the last mat.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

07 Jan 2010 at 02:43 - 32

As far as I'm concerned PvP has lost it's credibility. Don't know who the cheaters are and who isn't. We will never know. No one will. To think we PvE'ers went through so much bullshit because Anet was trying to balance PvP.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

07 Jan 2010 at 03:22 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by byteme!

To think we PvE'ers went through so much bullshit because Anet was trying to balance PvP.

Wut?

You think PvE'ers get the shaft based on PvP'ers? Lol, you obviously don't play PvP much. I've done a lot of both, and trust me...over the years...PvP has gotten the short-end of that stick more often.

Oh, and bots were in PvE looooong before PvP. (Sorry to turn this into that kind of an argument. But just trying to set it straight.)

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

07 Jan 2010 at 03:40 - 34

Who cares if PvE had cheaters first. There is less at stake compared to PvP.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

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07 Jan 2010 at 03:47 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Wut?

You think PvE'ers get the shaft based on PvP'ers?

Yeah, it's happened quite often in the past.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Lol, you obviously don't play PvP much. I've done a lot of both, and trust me...over the years...PvP has gotten the short-end of that stick more often

I'd love to see some evidence to back up that statement. Most of the updates i've seen concern fixes for gvg/ha or meta shake-ups, and pvers had to deal with the changes.

OT

I'm not sure posting here is going to do much- most people here know botting is/has been a problem. If you want exposure, I'd reccomend trying to inform people ingame. As for a solution, I think Anet doesn't have a big enough team to sucessfully juggle the bot problem with all the other things it has to deal with.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

07 Jan 2010 at 04:01 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by byteme!

Who cares if PvE had cheaters first. There is less at stake compared to PvP.

Because gold capes and zkeys are free.

Oh ok.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

07 Jan 2010 at 04:04 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Because gold capes and zkeys are free.

Oh ok.

LOL Thanks for proving my point?! Ladies and gents we have a bright one here.

AexIndex

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

10 Jan 2010 at 12:08 - 38

Problem is they make a pvp character that they delete after every match now.

They said they push .dll into the guildwars file... what does that mean?

xxod

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

10 Jan 2010 at 15:30 - 39

Quote:

Problem is they make a pvp character that they delete after every match now.

They said they push .dll into the guildwars file... what does that mean?

push is inject

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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10 Jan 2010 at 16:44 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by AexIndex

They said they push .dll into the guildwars file... what does that mean?

When a .dll and Guild Wars love each other very much, the .dll injects itself into Guild Wars, and that's how lots of little baby bots are born.