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Risus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

56min UW HM post-2/25 I win

FDR

A/

16 Jan 2010 at 05:09 - 1

Well, I'd like to go ahead and say that this in no way is a QQ/rage thread about PUGs (save that for in game and vent

).

In this thread, please give a good example of a good or bad experience you've had with a PUG, or both. Please explain what area you were doing, what happened, how you felt, or just give an overall summary of the pugs you play with (like "they all are horrible" no offense to any pugs

). Also finish with the

for love em or

for hate em. (also it doesn't have to be as long as mine)

I'll go first. I was doing UW Dayway with a pug group (which is a bad idea to anyone who wants to do it, only go pug with a 50%+ guild group, in which case, don't fail or most will rage at you). We get to Dhuum, and the ele and his 2-3 friends decide that they were going to do their "AWESOME" 3-3 split strategy and EVERYONE spams 1 and ele will call in vale sins 1 at a time. Then, when the first text trigger came up, I see our emo in vale. Ok, not too bad, rest is 3/4 full. I get in. Dhuum has full HP. You can go ahead and imagine what I said on vent. So I have to pop a new cons because they only brought 2, and I we spend the next 20 minutes killing him, which wasn't too bad, except for a few people KEPT dying and I kept dropping res scrolls. Finally when we get the chest, I really look at my res scrolls. I went from 32 to 10. 22 scrolls used + a cons. Total value about 30k. Just to finish Dhuum. I get trash from chest of course, then they refuse to pay me ANYTHING for the cons except 1-2 nice guys who dropped 1k for me, but then some noob ran and took it. Overall,

(I know right? can't even answer my own question), I'm kind of split, seeing as we did finish with the PUG having 8 spirits (thought all 8 were on vent, we did have a slight advantage). However, the fact that they refused to compensate me for spending all that money to ensure they got a chest really got my blood boiling. I'm going to have to lean towards

though seeing as how many PUGs have failed to understand that all they have to do is press T123456C*SPACE*.

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

16 Jan 2010 at 05:24 - 2

An alliance mate and I spent yesterday working on getting two of our chars through EotN and both of us wanted to practice our healing.

Well, we get to the Norn areas with those BS mandatory Ursan/Raven/Lupine blessings and decide that we might as well pick up a hopeless case to call targets for the heroes and to be the blessing bitch so we can keep healing.

Well, the kids build sucked, which was to be expected, but he also had:

1)15ar armor.
2)His heroes were set to "fight" and would aggro everything in sight. No amount of typing got him to change it.
3)He wouldn't use the e*fing Ursan Blessing to destroy the walls in BwB, my homeboy had to bend and take it.

My breakpoint came long before that, and if it wasn't for the fact that both of us really wanted to heal we wouldn't have even bothered, but this is pretty much the renewing reason for why I hadn't pugged in well over a year.

Nitron

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2010

The obscure, t-shirt producing planet known as earth

E/R

16 Jan 2010 at 05:33 - 3

This will seem like a mere annoyance, but it still ticked me off. This was a while ago, and I havent been able to play in some time, so I dont remember all the details. I was on my D/Mo, level 13 I think. I was kinda bored so I offered to take a PUG thru the Fort Ranik mission--free, of course--which I can easily solo without using the treuchets. So I'm using Eternal Aura to keep Avatar of Balthazar up and tearing thru the Charr. We're like 2 minutes away from finishing the mission. IIRC, one person was dead. I'm clearing out the group past the second trebuchet--not the one you repair--with a party member saying "You're a beast!" and next thing I know, BOOM! The trebuchet fires right on top of me killing me. My killer beat a hasty retreat from the game when they saw what happened, and the survivor didnt have a charged res signet. So we had to head back to town and reform the group. And I made sure that nobody fired the bleeping trebuchets on that run.

Saph

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2009

R/

16 Jan 2010 at 05:59 - 4

I have a love/hate relationship with pugs. Sometimes I come across an awesome group of people and we completely blow through a mission without a hitch. Other times I end up with people who don't even know the main attribute of their profession. -_-

Welthas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Pennsylvania

E/

16 Jan 2010 at 06:39 - 5

Love/Hate, mainly hate.. therefore I H/H

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

16 Jan 2010 at 06:53 - 6

I don't PuG, haven't for years, for most obvious reasons. H/H or Guild/Alliance only.

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

16 Jan 2010 at 07:43 - 7

i used to pug for old uwsc. it was a social way to kill time (12-15 mins) and meet new people and have some fun.

dhuum killed pugging for me. and im fairly certain any more nerfs will kill pugs completely. why? if pugs fail at pressing 1,2 then how the hell are they gonna play a balanced build that requires thought? sure you can still pug zmissions, etc (but screen the builds first ! ) but for elite areas lulz good luck

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

16 Jan 2010 at 07:45 - 8

Good experience today: there was a dervish in the group with Avatar of Balthazar and that sunspear dervish skill on an otherwise decent bar. I told him to replace AoB with Wounding Strike or Reaper's Sweep, and he did so, also replaced the sunspear skill. After the mission I thanked him for listening to me. He said Reaper's Sweep turned out way better than AoB, and he was off to capture Wounding Strike as well. So I was able to help a player become better at Guild Wars.

Bad experience today: same group, a Warrior refused to change his horrible defy/endure pain + healing breeze build into something useful. I completely avoided healing or protting him. Since he had all the extra health and warrior armour, though, he barely got attacked anyways, and basically leeched off the group.

dr love

...is in denial

Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

P/Me

16 Jan 2010 at 07:54 - 9

lol those are some sweet stories. if your ele dies in a pug dayway and you're not very close to killing dhuum, i strongly recommend just raging the group. the ele was put in place so you don't have to spend 20+ rez scrolls to see the chest.

most good players gravitate towards guilds that have other good players that enjoy doing the same activities. so when you pug, you often end up with hopeless basket cases.

for example, my brother beat all of prophecies a few years ago, and i don't think he knew how to do any of the missions. he just spammed warrior lfg until someone carried him through the missions lol.

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

Me/E

16 Jan 2010 at 09:05 - 10

I don't have too many issues with pugs crapping my missions b/c I filter them out even before we start.

- When a pug doesn't understand how his bar can synergize with the rest of the team, he is kicked.
- If 2 or more pugs think they can topple my decision making and jeopardize the team, both are kicked.
- I can smell a bad pug, and I can make him suffer. Like this dervish who kept *disconnecting* during a HM mission on purpose so that he could leech of my work (I was doing with my heroes, and 3 henchies). I reported him and told him I won't complete the mission, to which he said he had all the time in the world. So, I was like, ok fine - I went to bed. Before going to bed, his mysterious disconnects stopped as well. In the morning, i found him logged off, and I took 10 more min to beat the mission. I know it's a small deal, but leeachers are 100x worst imo than a fail pug who tries his best.

maxxfury

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

[DVDF] Gp

Me/A

16 Jan 2010 at 09:10 - 11

Pugs for sc, i dont go there..

Random pugs for random stuff, like goin to thk and shouting out if anyone needs a monk :P funtimes! Wether they are good of bad or terrible, its usually only for fun anyway...

For serious stuff id take friends, guildies, or bots before a pug, as i know the chance of messing up is WAY WAY higher in a pug.

But hey, some of the best players and friends in gw came from pugs, so the whole pug scene aint all that bad :P....at times :P

Lusciious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM

Order of [Thay]

N/

16 Jan 2010 at 09:29 - 12

Henchies > Stubborn PUGs anyday.

But i still don't like both .

I prefer humans who knows how to listen .

Zebideedee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W

N/Me

16 Jan 2010 at 10:47 - 13

Sometimes they're funny, sometimes annoying.

Funny = Necro during Ice Caves mission, all had been going well. When the big group of Mursaat floated past, he shouted "I'm 55" ran into the group and died after a few seconds

Annoying = Was running my Monk through Proph. and decided to join a group in Thirsty River, this one moronic warrior kept running and aggro'ing everything in sight and would moan at me saying "I'm a tank, you suck as a monk!" etc. eveytime he died. Needless to say he was the only one that died during that mission, thinking back I should have stopped ressing him

Highlander Of Alba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Real Rogue Clan

Rt/Mo

16 Jan 2010 at 13:07 - 14

This is really a two edge sword.

I when on one of my other accounts will take a few newer guys along on a mission or whatever.

Reason is, how will they ever learn...They will get some guidence along the way during and point out if there crossing the line ect.

Why do I do this? Lets look at it this way.

How good were You when you started ?? Oh yea you could clear everything.... bull***.

You are a long term player who knows what to do and what build to play.

So next time your out there give a thought and think a little /

What did I do wrong when I was a new player and add a litttle help if you think they need it.

Yes Some think they are a Ninja or rush to agro what they can see they only do that cause they have not been given a little help along the way

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

16 Jan 2010 at 14:31 - 15

Love/hate. Really.

A decent PUG is actually pretty fun to play with, although I admit I never PUG if it's something I really want to complete. I like seeing the group filled with actual players instead of h/h once in a while (barring required heroes, of course.)

On the other hand, the bad ones are really bad.

To be fair, I have met nice people in PUGs. Just... you know, not that often these days.

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

16 Jan 2010 at 14:35 - 16

love/hate

hate: UW/FoW, seems like half the people in no matter what pug you go in, it's their first time there. You have to yell at them don't take the reaper's quest yet 30 times yet they still end up taking it.

love: got lucky with a pug last night actually O_o we BLEW through UW, we even lost 1 person and 1 person had an incomplete build (free slot) and we still managed to beat dhuum without too much trouble. and it wasn't some SC team either, just balanced

Silmar Alech

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2009

Europe

Tom Son [TS]

E/

16 Jan 2010 at 14:46 - 17

If I'm somewhat bored and want to do something challenging without the usual suspects in my guild, I go looking for a PUG with a reasonable success chance, for example for the current Zaishen mission. If I go with my guild, all runs succeed (usually) and nothing unexpected will happen, so I'm sometimes bored with that.

I make sure I do not "need" the mission, so I can entirely enjoy my stay in the PUG, even if the group fails. If I want a mission failsafe, I go alone with H/H. Usually, the PUG succeeds. If we fail and it was beyond repair, the group dissolves immediately. If we failed and it was bad luck or only small adjustments are needed, the group usually stays together and tries again. I like build discussions when the group gathers, so i see how other people like to play.

I have only few memorable encounters. I was once playing monk in a hard mode mission and the second monk kept complaining how bad my playstyle and my build was. He wanted to detract from the fact that his build (pure healing with UA) was not able to sustain a longer fight due to his energy, since it was our damage output that was in fact horrible.
And he did not see that there were enchantment removers that render protective spirit and all of the other protection enchantments almost useless (because of that I went hybrid healer/protection). The only other reasonable person was a warrior who found good positions to block the enemies and had a somewhat decent damage output. We succeeded in the end, and nobody said "wow, where do you got all that energy to hold the warrior in that 5 minute fight against two enemy mobs?", but I knew that we finally did the mission with 3 relevant persons - the warrior, a ranger, and myself. The others either left, were inactive or dead. I will always remember the whisper from the warrior about the many comments of the other monk: "Don't listen to him, he's a jackass"

But even he were a jackass, he didn't leave. He cared. And this makes him a honorable player in contrast to the one or two other persons who left.

(Just to make sure it really weren't my playstyle as monk, I immediately re-did that mission alone with H/H and my same build. It went perfectly)

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

16 Jan 2010 at 14:48 - 18

I'm with Saph on this. Some pugs are great fun and some make you want to cry. But Jade Quarry has gotten me used to doing my best with a less than optimum team.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

16 Jan 2010 at 15:06 - 19

I always enjoy the ZM with horribly pugs, but yea if its anything who will take more then 1-2 hour then don't pug.

Or be very very assholish on the requirement.

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

R/

16 Jan 2010 at 15:11 - 20

Hate. I have a great dislike of playing with incompetent scrubs.

LSX

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

LIAR

W/D

16 Jan 2010 at 15:22 - 21

well you cant really say they are all bad. Pugs groups can go 3 ways: Great, frustrating but gets the job done, just fail. Were all pugs one way or another. Some just needs to learn. if a warrior doesnt want to die the monk should always keep him alive. they just need to learn that its a team game and one supports another or gw can just be a solo game. I admit i hate pug groups and i only run with my guild most of the time cause i dont like to fail, but when i really need something done and i run with a pug i need to make sure that he has to have my build or i just kick. ^.^

Good experience: The zmission for yesterday arborstone. Pugs listened to me and look the left way instead of the middle in hardmode and we got it done in 16 mins.

Bad experience: the UW balanced we took an alliance member, and he took the quest in waste when everyone was position correctly. but he didnt admit that he took the quest. It gets a little frustrating at first, but once everyone learns the correct way to do things everything goes smooth and nice. He eventually learned underworld and he liked how it went.

were all pugs in some way. People just need a learning experience.

drkn

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2009

Wroc??aw, Poland

Midnight Mayhem

Me/

16 Jan 2010 at 15:52 - 22

i never pug outside of dsc. it's just inferior to playing with henchmen alone, not to mention heroes.
in dsc though, a decent pug is comparable to an allied team. and it's usually faster to gather one.

Risus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

56min UW HM post-2/25 I win

FDR

A/

16 Jan 2010 at 16:13 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highlander Of Alba

This is really a two edge sword.

I when on one of my other accounts will take a few newer guys along on a mission or whatever.

Reason is, how will they ever learn...They will get some guidence along the way during and point out if there crossing the line ect.

Why do I do this? Lets look at it this way.

How good were You when you started ?? Oh yea you could clear everything.... bull***.

You are a long term player who knows what to do and what build to play.

So next time your out there give a thought and think a little /

What did I do wrong when I was a new player and add a litttle help if you think they need it.

Yes Some think they are a Ninja or rush to agro what they can see they only do that cause they have not been given a little help along the way

No actually I was pretty damn good when I started, you see, because, I have something that most idiot 12 year old PUGs don't. Common sense and a good gaming mind. I can find synergy in skills. I can kind of tell that it saves time to not plow through every red dot you see. I can tell that if I never get attacked, I don't need a bar with 8 tanking/healing skills. I can tell when my bar isn't great, and I can tell when I have a good bar.

New PUG exp: Ok so I was really the PUG on this one, the E/Mo for dayway was spamming GLF ____ | EXP ONLY | FAILER PAYS CONS. So I join. Turns out, when I'm m2, they have no idea what they are doing and the E/Mo is scared to tank 2 aatxe and dies when he tries. His guildie the EoE was also completely clueless and couldn't seem to figure out that he needed to lay down EoE on some parts. As M2, I clear vale, pop the reaper b/c the 2 noobs died, res them, go off to do Escort. Lo and behold, the party wipes in about 5 mins. Reason? Vale team failed on Wrathful Spirits. Then they start raging us saying how I sucked b/c I didn't do something and how we all failed then they ragequit. HATE. HATE. HATE. Now I only go with trusted guilds

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

16 Jan 2010 at 16:16 - 24

I actually like pugs.....have meet most of the ppl I enjoy playing with via pug groups. Even though most of the time pugs remain pugs the random occurance of good groups and new ppl to play with, that otherwise would remain obscure>h/h imo.

chaosincarnate87

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Behind You ;)

DPR

16 Jan 2010 at 16:19 - 25

I like pugs, and I think a lot more people would too if they'd take the time to weed out the terrible players before you start a mission or what have you.. although all the pugg'ing i do is in alliance... so its people i really don't mind helping either, even if they aren't that good.

example of good group: I was doing aurora glade the other day in hm, there was absolutely no arguement over builds, heroes, or anything. the group was just about automatically sync'd aside from a couple minor skill changes which people were more than happy to make.

bad group: last eldrich ettin zb a guildie and i were leading a full guild group, no one could keep up, and we had 4 warriors and a derv in the group... sad... and on top of that it was completed by myself as the roj and another guildie who brought a spirt spammer... good thing at least 2 of us were prepared..

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

16 Jan 2010 at 16:33 - 26

hate em

lack of communication and general experience

fail

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

16 Jan 2010 at 16:44 - 27

We the players effectively destroyed pugs by our attitude to them.
Pugs are just people and I have had good and bad experiences with them.

But once the builds became more standardised mainly by places like guildwiki defining what build was good for what area then the writing was on the wall for general cooperative pve.

loads of inexperienced players refused to talk through a mission while those that started parties became adamant as to what build must be used and what equipment must be carried.
For 80% of pve it doesn't really matter what the party configuration and build you have as long as your not totally retarded you will win through.

Players being in a hurry to complete a mission and being darn rude to each other "not uncommon in gw" means everyone now plays with a guild or with heroes and its too late to change it now.

Hope gw2 fares better.

asb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Europe

Me/

16 Jan 2010 at 16:45 - 28

Same here: it's a double edged sword, it entirely depends on the people you get thrown together with.
good example: tahnnakai temple hm
one monk was the leader and knew the mission inside out, and although the wammo insisted on taking the right path at the bound zojun arena which got us almost wiped, we otherwise had no problems whatsoever.

bad example: rocktail zb hm
6 of 8 party members running towards rocktail, convinced that the can get close to him before he uses his artillery attack. they were wrong and died, three of them immediately quit and the rest of us needed to start over.

Hell Risen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

New York City

LoST

A/D

16 Jan 2010 at 17:06 - 29

Hate>love esp. When I pug dayway. Some pugs are decent, some are first timers, some don't listen, and some just plain suck. What annoys me the most is not the fact I have to cover other player's areas if they die, it's the fact that first timers/less experienced players don't listen to you when your trying to give them advice and they ignore it completely,end up failing and leaving/not paying for cons.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

16 Jan 2010 at 17:18 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by gremlin

But once the builds became more standardised mainly by places like guildwiki ..... those that started parties became adamant as to what build must be used and what equipment must be carried.
For 80% of pve it doesn't really matter what the party configuration and build you have as long as your not totally retarded you will win through.

Players being in a hurry to complete a mission and being darn rude to each other "'......

QFT!

Overall, my experiences with PUGs have been generally good. But then again, I'm one of those people, like Gremlin, who realize that 90% of PvE, even in hard mode, can be done with almost any party as long as not too many players are inexperienced.

A lot of the people who complain about PUGs are those same people who insist that everyone must have specific builds or weapons. They also usually fail to realize that there is almost always more than one way to do any quest/mission/dungeon - and the way they do it isn't always necessarily the best.

In fact, one of the interesting things about PUGs is seeing the different approaches people take do getting something done.

Most of the really bad experiences I've had with PUGs are the ones where some dickwad wants to micro-manage everyone's builds or constantly rants at everyone calling them noobs because they don't do what the dickwad wants or expects, or goes off by themselves to do it "the right way", etc., etc.

Jeez folks, it's just a game! Relax and have some fun now and then.

PuGs yes!

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

16 Jan 2010 at 17:23 - 31

Before titles and PvE only skills pugs where a lot a fun and friendly and easy to find.

After titles and PvE only skills....worthless whiners title/skill discrimination death spiral into toilet hate.

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

16 Jan 2010 at 18:35 - 32

The great majority of pugs I've been in are fine and sometimes great. I can't give up pugging because that's how I've met so many great players and people who freely share their knowledge. H/H is hard for me because I'm too annoyed often by their retarded AI and the fact that I'm alone. Generally I try harder...or actually try to play my all with people. I make mistakes often, but that's because I'm human.

I've played with people who don't pug often and they're really not all that great. Maybe H/H'er do so because they don't like being caught messing up.

scratchdude

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

16 Jan 2010 at 18:43 - 33

Love, but just on ZM or ZB : most of my experiences with PUGS turned out pretty well on zaishen dailies. It seems you can find good players only during these.

Otherwise I don't even bother trying to find a PUG when it's not a daily, guild grouping is much better.

SithLord2064

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

Phoenix, AZ

From the Ashes Rise the Pheonix

E/Me

16 Jan 2010 at 18:50 - 34

PuGs are a double edged sword, in my opinion. There are some really good ones, and there are some ludicrously bad ones. What I normally do is ask PuGs to ping their skill bar. If they don't, I ask one more time, then kick if they don't. I also kick rude and impatient people. This seems to solve most of the problems I have with PuGs. That doesn't mean I don't have bad experiences any more, but it seems to limit them.

As for examples, I had a great experience with a pair of new players I helped do the first three missions in Prophecies. These two were very receptive to my criticisms, willing to listen and, most importantly, they asked questions (mostly noob questions) when they didn't know what to do. It was a satisfying experience.

I had a terrible experience, tho, with a PuG that I added when I was doing Rihlon Refuge in Nightfall. All I asked of this PuG was to bring 2 skills, that's all. Winter and Pain Inverter. Just that. Imagine my surprise when I noticed the Droughtlings were completely devestating our party and Winter was nowhere to be seen. When asked, the PuG said "I didn't bring it. I didn't think it was that important." I think I invented several new swear words when I read this. It took us THREE restarts before the brain-dead moron finally brought Winter. But, not surprisingly, it took us FOREVER to kill The Drought, because the ignorant moron forgot to bring Pain Inverter. Ugh.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

16 Jan 2010 at 18:53 - 35

Thunderhead Keep killed PUG for me a long time ago. Hench from that point on.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

16 Jan 2010 at 19:06 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

hate em

lack of communication and general experience

fail

/winnar

12charswut

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

16 Jan 2010 at 21:20 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by gremlin

We the players effectively destroyed pugs by our attitude to them.

No, PUGs destroyed themselves.

- run bad builds
- refuse to optimize and min/max, for two reasons
- - one, they think their build is actually good due to mentalities imprinted from games like WoW or even their fellow PUGgers
- - two, they're doing a "roleplaying" or "flavour" based build, which is always bad, especially since this is not an RPG
- immature attitude and communication
- class discrimination
- - and also title rank discrimination in much of PvP (HA, GvG) and some types of PvE (Ursan)
- being inherently less convenient than H/H
- - taking breaks is more difficult
- - important real-life surprises even more so
- - plus my tendency to tab to Firefox or TF2 and forget I was playing GW
- requiring drastically more setup time than H/H
- being annoying
- - particularly the e-peen strokers
- - and the /b/tards
- and also a matter of principal, whereby we intentionally sabotage PUGs after we witnessed their hateful (and successful) attempts to dissuade Anet from making seven hero parties
- - typically done by overaggroing at dangerous points or during a near wipe recovery, or when playing a key role in the party, neglecting that role

Orry

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

16 Jan 2010 at 23:11 - 38

If people realised that the majority of PvE is a face-roll they wouldn't have a horrible time with PuGs, that being said I won't PuG while I am on any character going for Survivor, and I tend to stick to alliance/friend groups when doing elite areas.

I hvae however met some very nice people in PuGs, I met a rather nice person doing The Last Day Dawns, which isn't that easy of a quest.

Later she asked me to come do Glint's Challenge with what was mostly a PuG, that succeeded too.

Go into PuGs and give them advice early on, it will improve their skill later.

Also, "The Lich has to be standing on top of the Bloodstone when you kill him! Wait for him to move there." -hundreds of PuGs(grammar and spelling corrected by Orry)

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

16 Jan 2010 at 23:18 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orry

Also, "The Lich has to be standing on top of the Bloodstone when you kill him! Wait for him to move there." -hundreds of PuGs

Well, given Rurik's cinematic dialogue... I'd say that's an understandable error.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undead Rurik

"Kill the Lich while he stands atop the Bloodstone inside the caldera."

(yay wiki for easy dialogue reference.)

Orry

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

16 Jan 2010 at 23:21 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

Well, given Rurik's cinematic dialogue... I'd say that's an understandable error.

(yay wiki for easy dialogue reference.)

I know it is understandable, that's why I chose it as a reference, although it is fun killing him out in the lava and have them all amazed whe it works.