PvE (H/H) time trial contest!

Two questions/clarifications:

*Is 1 player and 6 heroes acceptable as a H/H team or does it have to be 1 person, 3 heroes, and 4 henchies?
*Do DP removers of any kind count as cons? They should, but as people have mentioned it's basically impossible to monitor.

Glad to see so much interest!

Re: candy/alcohol/DP removers. I'd like to see these kept out too. Yes, they'd be impossible to monitor, but so are consets, and I definitely don't want to consider those. It's a slippery slope, IMO. Furthermore, not everyone has all the best candy, and so it won't be a level playing field if we allowed them.

@Marty: I don't think having 1 player/6 hero teams would be fair, since not everyone has 2 accounts.

I'm in ^^
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talking hm or nm?

if you wanted to include elite areas, you'd probably need to go 2 person 6 hero (or 3 person 9 hero for deep/urgoz) since you can't get hench in half of them.

Consets etc shouldn't be too hard to monitor as long as the time taken is under 30mins.

Could always do a VQ of a notoriously difficult area or something. With /age with the big gold helmet on your screen. I guess the spawns can change slightly and there'd be different amounts of enemies per person. I'd say something like Joko's Domain because everyone complains about it (didn't see the big deal tbh), but there's Wurms there, so that'd suck.

I like the Vanq idea best - by far. running past foes in a dungeon level does not a good teambuild make. If you wanna see how well a H/H team kills, a vanq is how to do that.
and yeah we need clarification on acceptable team composition. 2human+6heros? 1human+6heros? 1human+3heros+4hench? or maybe a four-man area?

this sounds fun

Vanqing depends too much on spawns/the player's efficiency in tracking groups while vanqing. It wouldn't really work for this kind of contest.

Sounds fun..../sign Ooze as location....I'd be willing to donate some additional prize as well.

Well, i decided i'd start this off. Only done it once so far, plan to try a few more times now that i know what i'm doing. Went fairly well up until the bosses. I wiped about 3 or 4 times before i figured out how to take them down. 17 walking into boss room. 24 with bosses dead. 26 with spawns dead. No personals of any kind were used. The morale was from the Ancient Ooze, Gloop, and the bounties.

I think I'll be interested in giving this a try if I ever find the time to (rather sad to do Ooze Pit again so soon after the ZB ... lol).

Some suggestions:

1. You can force no consumables by requiring a screenshot in which you're dealing damage. Also consumables last 30 minutes, so if the area in question shouldn't take that long then no problem. Can't do anything about DP removers, Candy, etc though unless you literally have to take screenshots everywhere.
2. I think it's fair to require screenshots including all hero builds (and your own), because otherwise I can imagine the following gameplan: bring a running build, kill all H/H, run all the way to Gloop or whoever, trigger the closest res shrine, die, res with all H/H next to you and finish boss off. I'd rather kill my way to the bounty the standard way; if this kind of tactic is allowed then I don't think I'll participate.
3. One thing I dislike about Ooze Pit is the rolling boulders (ewwwwwww). Another is that it's not really that hard, so less-than-ideal builds can make it. Finally I'm not all that familiar with the layout of the dungeon and what the fastest way to progress is. I'd rather an area like Forge HM (especially since I don't have to redo the dungeon unless someone beats 47 minutes ), but I don't mind Ooze Pit.

I might have to rework my builds to fit in "Fall Back!" and (even better) "Incoming!" somewhere for optimal speed.

problem with ooze pit is, like life says, gimmicky builds will prevail. there's just clumps of casters you can jump into and nuke down =/

I'd prefer to see people do elite areas with 2 people 6 heroes or 3 people 9 heroes for deep/urgoz

ToPK would be interesting

Just tried it, 20 minutes walking into boss room, 23 with bosses dead and 25 with spawns dead. I got careless and wiped shortly after killing the last boss, which is stupid on my part.

17 minutes to boss room is very fast, I don't think I can beat that time with the build I ran.

@Life Bringing - I also lost a couple of minutes walking around looking for an Unstable Gelatinous Material to open doors, not to mention sometimes boulders showed up that surprised me and killed some of my party. See why I'd rather not this area?

What Ancient Ooze? You did say follow the map on Wiki (that's this one: http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ooze_pit_map.jpg) right? Because if so I certainly didn't meet any Ancient Oozes and had to blow one door open.

Told you I don't know the best layout by the way

And I don't know about another area, pick an area that's very difficult and most people wouldn't be able to do it, so ... I suppose it's up to traversc to decide.

It's not up to me, heh.

Ooze pit is fine for a first trial. I've been playing Dragon Age lately, so I'm less enthused about this than I originally was. My hope was that this would be an ongoing thing that didn't need anyone in particular's input.

But if you need my "approval", then let's start with Ooze pit. Assuming we get a minimum of 10 submissions, I'll honor the prize offered of 1 candy corn stack. You guys have until next week thursday 10 PM hawaii standard time.

I'm hoping next time, someone else will "host" the contest and decide on the location.

PS: you don't have to post your screenshot. If you got an amazing time and don't want to discourage others, you can PM me.

Actually, let's push the deadline back until a week after canthan new year is over, since most people will be farming their behinds off. I'll post this in the contest section on monday so we can hopefully get more people involved

I would love to get involved with this aswell, but yes you should wait till Canthan New Year is over first

Rragar's and Kathandrax are fairly difficult ... the problem with them though is that they aren't one level, so you'll have lots of screenshots to take. And I definitely do not want to invest the time into doing either dungeon right now.

Otherwise I'm beginning to think you and I scared everyone else Life Bringing

Jeydra, post this up in the contests forum then

Ooze pit is fun, but lacks challenge and diversity.
I think gate of madness would be a great test for an equally great H/H build.
The winning time would still be under 30 minutes, so the use of celerity/grail/armor would remain visible.

Anything that cannot be regulated should be allowed. Otherwise a dishonest person will likely win.

I'll also pitch in a stack of pies for the winner and a half-stack for the runner up

Lol this coming at a time when I've had two different people tell me that aggro techniques lead to slower times, not faster.

Well done. I wasn't aiming for speed when I did Forge, rather just trying to prove it can be done, so I'm not surprised you beat the time by so much. Whether or not I can beat this speed I don't know, but I already feel a little discouraged by not being able to use aggro techniques that're best used by Warriors

Congratulations again. If I ever get the time + am willing to put in the effort necessary, I may try to beat your time for Ooze Pit.

PS: Please don't hide your name, I want to know who you are in-game.