PvE (H/H) time trial contest!

I still think timing is not a relevant thing to decide if a H/H build is great. Other factors such as survival rate should be considered. The ability to run it on ANY profession with more or less equal effectiveness is more important. The only hero build that comes remotely close to this is spiritway. I'd disagree. I'd much rather have 10 optimized Hero team builds, rather than 1 suboptimal build.

I still think timing is not a relevant thing to decide if a H/H build is great. Other factors such as survival rate should be considered. The ability to run it on ANY profession with more or less equal effectiveness is more important. The only hero build that comes remotely close to this is spiritway. Survival rate is overrated. If two builds can do something, the one who can do it faster is more efficient. It's better to die 10x and finish something in 20 minutes, than die zero times and take an hour.

Considering that I only play with a mesmer, the ability of some heroway to be effective on all professions is totally irrelevant to me. Even if I played all classes, I wouldn't want to bore myself to death using same heroes and playstyle on all the characters.

Survival rate is overrated. If two builds can do something, the one who can do it faster is more efficient. It's better to die 10x and finish something in 20 minutes, than die zero times and take an hour.

Considering that I only play with a mesmer, the ability of some heroway to be effective on all professions is totally irrelevant to me. Even if I played all classes, I wouldn't want to bore myself to death using same heroes and playstyle on all the characters. What you said makes no sense. How can a team that dies 0 times finish something 3x slower than a team that dies 10 times in 20 minutes?

Anyway, my point is, there is a fine line between survival and completion. The objective is to finish a task in the least possible time possible under the following two constraints:
1. Minimum deaths occur (aka higher survival rate, 0 = ideal)
2. Universally acceptable (hero bars runnable anywhere, although minor tweaks are acceptable to synergize better with human player's bar)

An example for 1 is: Team Build A finishing a task in 15 minutes and total of 5 deaths is worse off that a team build B finishing the same task in 17 minutes and 0 deaths. The 2 extra minutes is hardly of consideration especially if those 5 deaths occurred for the human player, in which case he would be booted from a HM instance, unless he removes his/her DP.

Example for 2 is: If you decide to use spiritway, at least bring splinter if you run a melee character, and perhaps modify one of the heroes to bring SoH. Similarly, if you are running ele, and brining meteor shower, it seems logical to bring earth bind on one of the rits. As a mesmer, you would want to bring frustration on your bar so that it synergizes well with your hero spirit dissonance. Similarly, there are plenty of other changes that can be made to benefit other professions.

A team that has half its group for healing won't die but will have horrible times. That's the point Josip was trying to point out Just a different school of thinking about team builds.

Also, you assumed that I have more healing than necessary? How do you know what I am using? You don't, and healing is the least of worries in HM. It's protection that matters. I rebut your statement by saying that a team that is well protected will enjoy more time making solid kills than a team that is struggling to stay afloat through red-barring.

There are plenty of examples whereby concentrated attack by few units is better than lack-luster attack by many. The former leaves more room to spec into prot, or specialized bars suitable for difficult areas - aka team optimized for survival via damage negation or damage interrupt, and still able to achieve fast times.

I await your rebuttal.

Edit:

Biofobico,

MM in Ooze Pit = fail. Your rit hero aint good. If you wanna go with SoS try a Soul Twisting hero ( OAWjMogLpOYTrX48bCN7BZgLG ).
Panic is overrated, Psyquic Instability is far better. You also need a sort of melee so those suicide oozes dont get too far into your backline and start exploding in front of your monks.

If i were you, i would run DwG for easy spammable damage (you can even keep fallback :P), a melee hench just to make him semi tank the mobs, a Psyquic Instability (4s KD is kewl) - I've been running this one, just for fun ( OQZTA0Bq4JEmDyAIDcRRkYYEB ) it has AoEs and 4s KD pretty good. Then, get a SoS hero (you can chip in fallback if you want) ( OAmjAqisJOXzyJ0sayMdcXsdM ) and to end with a UA healer, for quick ressing. I'll give it a go. Thanks for the advices