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Anka Yirannes

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2009

Liars Cheats and Thieves. [Liar]

Me/Rt

11 Feb 2010 at 10:04 - 81

Damn, it sure is getting cold, thank you Captain Obvious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

We'd need to WORK to fix TA.
Oh well, we'll just remove it.
We'd need to WORK to fix HB.
Oh well, we'll just remove it.
We'd need to WORK to fix XTH.
Oh well, we'll just remove it.
We'd need to WORK to fix certain skills.
Oh well, we'll just remove them.

Looks like someone hit the mark. A-Net wins the award for the biggest, laziest sods right now.

(Hey, someone remind me, why are they even making GW2 right now? As opposed to continuing work on the current game.)

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

11 Feb 2010 at 10:14 - 82

Perfect, now that this issue isn't a distraction anymore, lets add some real content into the game, like quests to start the story transition into GW2?

Stop The Storm

Keeping DoA Alive

Join Date: Jan 2007

England

Were In [DoA]

A/N

11 Feb 2010 at 10:23 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Perfect, now that this issue isn't a distraction anymore, lets add some real content into the game, like quests to start the story transition into GW2?

thought that was what eotn was?

aint surprised xth aint coming back, but seriously, 8 f*cking months to say "errrrrrr, nope, its broken, cant be arsed fixing it, put out a PR"

astounds me some of the moves that anet seem to be doing.

i love guildwars, i really really do, but lately, its like EVERYTHING you do brings a giggle and a "wtf were they thinking"

Paradise Lost

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

UK

W/

11 Feb 2010 at 10:47 - 84

Nice to see some clarification.

But seriously, if you want RPs form a team of 8 and enter an AT. Believe it or not its easy to win against a team of henchmen and afk people.

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

11 Feb 2010 at 11:03 - 85

I'm sorry ANet, but this is about all I can stand.

They might be getting their priorities straight, but I've got nothing nice to say about an organization that repeatedly promises one thing, but delivers something else or nothing at all (after many, many months).

It's not that I'm terribly upset about the things they've done in the past, (taking HB, TA and XTH as recent examples), but rather the abysmal way in which they've handled them over and over again.

If ANet had even a modicum of self-awareness, they should have put it to use. I don't know yet whether or not I can buy GW2 knowing I should expect the same kind of chain-yanking I got in this game, but for the sake of your other customers my advice is simple: KNOW what you're capable of, and don't promise anything more, but DELIVER on what you do promise.

It ain't that god damn hard really. You wouldn't even have to do any extra work, but the honesty would have gone a long way.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

11 Feb 2010 at 11:28 - 86

Anet will probably release some new information about GW2 in a week or so in an attempt to sooth us

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

11 Feb 2010 at 11:38 - 87

I don't know why people always get this upset about ANYTHING coming from Anet.

I can't see "promises" in any of their announcements, be it about the XTH or balance updates.

That said, I agree they could have handled those kind of situations a lot better, but please, don't be so over-reactive...

Silverblad3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

UK

I use to love CB :(

Mo/

11 Feb 2010 at 12:13 - 88

I think folks are more upset about the way this is handle then 'milking' free stuff.

It is like taking your car that has a problem to the garage and they say sorry we cannot fix it because we are working on the next model. Come back and buy the new one.

GW2 does not have any customers, GW does, manage your customers and they will come but increasingly upset them and you will lose customers for GW2 when you do release it.

Removing features and content is not the way forward, and to be honest this is not about resources it is about money, what Anet is saying they are not prepared to pay to fix the XTH, come to GW2 though because we will treat you better? Joke.

Silver

Test Me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2008

E/

11 Feb 2010 at 12:16 - 89

I think it's the right decision. And I also think they took so long because they somehow hoped they could make the community a nice surprise and bring it back. They could've just said "no we won't fix it" from start if they didn't intend to fix it at all.

And as a player that benefited from it, I also think it wasn't quite right. Whenever I got the XTH benefits I felt more or less like cheating.

So I think they took the right decision here.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

11 Feb 2010 at 12:34 - 90

As others, I knew it wasnt coming back - I think the final death sign was the removal of the NPC. The fact of leaving it for so many months was anet doing an out of sight - out of mind thing, hoping that the uproar of something being removed would be much lower. Once HB left too, then it was half of the predictions gone anyway...

AS someone who gained more than most from XTH, will I miss it of course, but I wont miss waking up early on Sat to see who qualified in the last AT so I could amend my predictions before they were locked. I wont miss the cash, Snowball ATs set me up for the rest of the year anyway ^.^

Im just kinda sad that the choice of gameplay is being narrowed (removal of HB and TA for *cough* codex wilderness), while we are being used as guinea pigs for things such as codex so they can see how they can use it in GW2 and everything else is left to rot....

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Anyone holding out hope for those May points... the problem with XTH was always distribution, not recording predictions. If they couldn't fix that problem, they obviously can't distribute the May points. Demanding these isn't really any different then demanding the XTH be completely restored.

Im sorry, but I believe you to be wrong here. Being one of the people who always had many accounts - I always had an error somewhere or other in their calculations, to the point that I had my own spreadsheet set up calculating what I was to expect from each month so I had the info ready to send to support. They were always able to adjust the distribution for the following month to give the missing points to me, so I believe the distribution method was not the main issue.
They "could" give us the May points, but Im thinking that it would take significant manual intervention at this stage with XTH gone, which Im sure will be the reason why they wont.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Test Me

And as a player that benefited from it, I also think it wasn't quite right. Whenever I got the XTH benefits I felt more or less like cheating.

I dont think of it like that at all, like some others have mentioned, it got me observing and discussing various guilds and HBers and trying to make an informed prediction (ofc the randomness of pairings always made me curse though..lol).

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

11 Feb 2010 at 12:45 - 91

Thank you Regina for the update.

As for the undistributed points, my viewpoint is that it's a wash with the extra points we received several times. Believe me, if ArenaNet could have found an economical way to fix the XTH, they would have. Look at all the future GA members who ran out and bought extra games just to get more points. It was supplying great cash flow for the company.

(GA = Gamblers Anonymous)

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

11 Feb 2010 at 13:14 - 92

RIP XTH.... =/

Back to the old Zaishen Elite method for getting keys. 2 a day is kinda slow but they add up after a while.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

11 Feb 2010 at 13:29 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Back to the old Zaishen Elite method for getting keys. 2 a day is kinda slow but they add up after a while.

I made more in the two or three weeks of Snowball ATs than you could possibly make in a year and a half of doing that, and it probably required me to spend less time at it than your method.

My hint to anyone: Better start practicing how to play the arena when Wintersday in July rolls around.

kupp

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Shiverpeaks

[KISS]

W/

11 Feb 2010 at 13:40 - 94

Well at least zkeys went back to the old 5k/each, I'm hoping now that the input of keys in the game has nearly halted, they'll go up a bit more. Still have 80ish in my chest that need to be sold.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

11 Feb 2010 at 13:44 - 95

Not like anyone was expecting it to come back....I hope.

I just hope we don't get this kind of support in GW2 (although I doubt it, we have like 5 people working on GW1? We'll have a full team for GW2)

Fates

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kanuckistan

Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

11 Feb 2010 at 14:24 - 96

I know, Anet could add another micro transaction. Maybe something like $5 gets you 50 keys or something. That way they could afford to fix the XTH.

The Mountain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Realm of the GWAMMs

Teh Academy [PhD]

W/

11 Feb 2010 at 15:31 - 97

Would it truly be that much work to revert back to the system that worked fine for more than a year?

Was the 'improvement' actually a ploy to provide a reason to close the XTH permenately? That's what is looks like from this end...just sayin'

De Maximoff

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Gamers With Lives [GWL]

Mo/

11 Feb 2010 at 15:35 - 98

Xunlai Tournament House News (Updated 8/28)

Update from Linsey Murdock:
Xunlai Tournament House Update
We now have an accurate list of XTH winners from the May monthly predictions and are in the planning stages to distribute those points. We’ll need to deploy some new code to upgrade the system, which requires a bit of delicate timing. Part of this deployment must occur through a build, but some of it will happen automatically on the servers. During this time, if anyone speaks to Kun Shao, it could disrupt the system and garble up the list.

To address the issue, we’ll be doing this in three stages: first, a Live build to remove Kun Shao from outposts to prevent him from interfering; then, a second build to deploy the upgraded code and distribute the points; and finally, a third build to reintroduce Kun Shao so that you may redeem those points. As a thank you for all your patience, we’ll be giving everyone on the distribution list a free bump to the next-highest reward bracket.

So when will Kun Shao be reintroduced so we can redeem the points that you stated had been correctly calculated? Now that the system has been officially retired the next step would be to distribute the points.

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

11 Feb 2010 at 16:01 - 99

Would that be so unreasonable? It didn't have problems we were made publicly aware of until it was changed over. Of course that's also the same time the script kiddies released a way to automate bets at the click of a mouse. What a joke of a system it was...hop on Guru to get half-assed predictions, copy/paste, run script towards the end of the month and get free money. Good riddance.

Garreth MacLeod

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

11 Feb 2010 at 16:05 - 100

XTH was the only reason I bothered with observer mode and actually looking at PvP data on the guildwars website. Disappointed to see this not coming back but I chalk it up as yet another failure of anet. If you can't properly support your existing game, do you really expect me to support your new game whenever it comes out? (XTH is only one of the things I don't see anet supporting, btw.)

Is GW2 going to be a fubar as GW1? If so, I'll save my money.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

11 Feb 2010 at 16:14 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by De Maximoff

Xunlai Tournament House News (Updated 8/28)

Update from Linsey Murdock:
Xunlai Tournament House Update
We now have an accurate list of XTH winners from the May monthly predictions and are in the planning stages to distribute those points. We’ll need to deploy some new code to upgrade the system, which requires a bit of delicate timing. Part of this deployment must occur through a build, but some of it will happen automatically on the servers. During this time, if anyone speaks to Kun Shao, it could disrupt the system and garble up the list.

To address the issue, we’ll be doing this in three stages: first, a Live build to remove Kun Shao from outposts to prevent him from interfering; then, a second build to deploy the upgraded code and distribute the points; and finally, a third build to reintroduce Kun Shao so that you may redeem those points. As a thank you for all your patience, we’ll be giving everyone on the distribution list a free bump to the next-highest reward bracket.

So when will Kun Shao be reintroduced so we can redeem the points that you stated had been correctly calculated? Now that the system has been officially retired the next step would be to distribute the points.

^ thank you.

Tbh, I hate to sound like just one of the crowd, but things like this really do affect whether or not I'll buy GW2.

I love the community and will probably always be involved with it (especially if PvX survives the transition), but with the recent policy of "It's broken, let's remove it." and "Let's not tell them for X number of months and they'll forget." is just insulting.

At this point....I guess I've just gone from upset to apathetic. It shouldn't be a surprise considering the recent past, but that seems to make it worse.....

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

11 Feb 2010 at 16:24 - 102

People's concerns about this issue are totally justified, more so given the fact that we were told it is closing down after we were told we would get our points. Just because you don't care or agree, it doesn't change the fact that the Devs made it our right when they said we would be getting the points. Getting this announcement sans any information regarding said points is bad community relations. I don't fault Regina because she wasn't the one that said we would be getting the points! The people who said we would be getting the points are higher up on the food chain, and as such, they shouldn't be leaving Regina to hold the empty bag of points that were promised.

It's not a stretch to imagine this kind of thing happening with GW2 as well. The only difference is that I won't bite on the hook with the, "We're working on GW3, so we bagged this GW2 issue."

Again, just because you don't get a sour taste in your mouth because of this particular issue, it doesn't mean that those of us who do aren't justified because you disagree.

Windf0rce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

11 Feb 2010 at 16:53 - 103

Good riddance. ANet probably regreted badly the XTH introduction, anyway.

At first, great concept: lure more casual people into PvP scene, give some nice rewards to everyone.

However, as with most things dealing with human nature, it gets corrupt if any margin of exploit is allowed, an it happened. The 'hardcore' (psycho IMHO) players owning dozens of accounts to exploit the XTH rewards made it look like ANet itself was selling Gold to its players. Coupled with casuals hardly bothering/just plain forgetting, it only became another source and terrible rich distribution and grief.

Removal of HB, lack of resources, overall lack of interest in PvP by most of the player base: even more good reasons to take XTH down.

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

[SMF]

11 Feb 2010 at 16:54 - 104

I don't think that would be reasonable at this point (to receive may's rewards) because with those rewards people will take advantage of the now-inflated market on the items; To be blunt it would not be fair at all and its too late now anyway.

Maybe a refund, but no reward.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

11 Feb 2010 at 16:57 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekliss

I don't think that would be reasonable at this point (to receive may's rewards) because with those rewards people will take advantage of the now-inflated market on the items; To be blunt it would not be fair at all and its too late now anyway.

Maybe a refund, but no reward.

A refund on what?

And they already said that they're going to give us those rewards, regardless. I doubt their integrity enough to believe that they wont uphold it, but that doesn't negate the fact that they said it.

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

[SMF]

11 Feb 2010 at 17:04 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverblad3

I think folks are more upset about the way this is handle then 'milking' free stuff.

It is like taking your car that has a problem to the garage and they say sorry we cannot fix it because we are working on the next model. Come back and buy the new one.

GW2 does not have any customers, GW does, manage your customers and they will come but increasingly upset them and you will lose customers for GW2 when you do release it.

Removing features and content is not the way forward, and to be honest this is not about resources it is about money, what Anet is saying they are not prepared to pay to fix the XTH, come to GW2 though because we will treat you better? Joke.

Silver

Not quite right there buddy; it's more like:

Take the car back to the garage and they tell you "Damn man you abused the shit out of this car, that voids the warranty - sorry" I don't think if you go buy a new mercedes and drive it a million miles that they are gonna fix it for free.

I do however believe that these new funds we are putting into the game such as the costumes - that those monies are going to GW2 instead of paying those GW2 dev. guys to get over here to GW and fix a problem; they would rather trash it and work on GW2... not really high on my "Nice Job" list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

A refund on what?

And they already said that they're going to give us those rewards, regardless. I doubt their integrity enough to believe that they wont uphold it, but that doesn't negate the fact that they said it.

Keys. GL with that - you should just be refunded the gold and be done with it.

Silverblad3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

UK

I use to love CB :(

Mo/

11 Feb 2010 at 17:14 - 107

Not quite sure, XTH was implemented poorly and then supported poorly, going back to the mercedes..Sorry we made the car faulty and we wont fix it cos we are working on the next one.....

Abuse? That is rather strong, some folks did, some did not, most dont care it is the way they manage the issue.

W/E

Silver

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

11 Feb 2010 at 17:15 - 108

Finally. It was a bad concept anyway,now people will have to work for their platinum...

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

11 Feb 2010 at 17:34 - 109

Could you guys keep KJ out of this? Thanks.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Feb 2010 at 17:54 - 110

R.I.P. XTH, we abused while you were here, you are now in a better place.

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

11 Feb 2010 at 18:02 - 111

I'm sorry to see it go -- it was fun to try to decide who to put in the top 8, going to observe and actually caring about the outcome, making a few side bets with guildies about who would get the most points, putting the reminders on the alliance forums and hearing who the allies were going with, making side bets on who would, proportionately, get the most cremes out of the chest -- it was good. It was fun.

The keys from May should be distributed.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

11 Feb 2010 at 18:02 - 112

I could not care less about this. It was always a trivially unimportant side feature.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

11 Feb 2010 at 18:17 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Another Felldspar

I'm sorry to see it go -- it was fun to try to decide who to put in the top 8, going to observe and actually caring about the outcome, making a few side bets with guildies about who would get the most points, putting the reminders on the alliance forums and hearing who the allies were going with, making side bets on who would, proportionately, get the most cremes out of the chest -- it was good. It was fun.

The keys from May should be distributed.

How dare you point out the fun things associated with XTH. You are not aware that removing XTH was about NOT letting lazy and greedy PVE players get "in" on the PVP rewards without doing PVP.

You will be scheduled for summary execution at a later date. /end sarcasm

Seriously though thanks for reminding people about some of the enjoyable aspects of XTH. Was fun while it was around.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

11 Feb 2010 at 18:26 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

You... don't.

PvP titles aren't supposed to be easily maxable like PvE ones.

Curious that the only people with it maxxed are pvers with way too little life

. Zkey (aka, "i haz golt, i buyz keyz") title has little to do with pvp skill or success but everything with having couple stacks of ectos, hence it is not pvp title.

Mordiego

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2007

Pozna??, UTC+1

We Are From Poland [Pol]

N/A

11 Feb 2010 at 18:36 - 115

XTH was implemented to increase sell rate of new accounts and aNet made a lot of ectos on it.
It has been removed coz it'd spoiled the game economy sooo badly.
I just don't understand all the lies behind the process...

De Maximoff

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Gamers With Lives [GWL]

Mo/

11 Feb 2010 at 19:18 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekliss

I don't think that would be reasonable at this point (to receive may's rewards) because with those rewards people will take advantage of the now-inflated market on the items; To be blunt it would not be fair at all and its too late now anyway.

Maybe a refund, but no reward.

How would this not be "fair"? Anet said they had an accurate count of the points people were supposed to receive. Anet said they would distribute those points. How is this in anyway unfair?

It is both reasonable and fair for Anet to do what they already said they would do. Saying it would not be "fair" and "its too late now anyway" are your opinions not facts.

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

11 Feb 2010 at 19:51 - 117

Not surprised and a little disappointed but it is absolutely ridiculous that they couldn't fix the code for this. Anyone with any kind of programming experience could probably rewrite simple code for assigning points about a half hour. Its not that difficult.

AlsPals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Sellin hot stock tips for pro[fit]

Me/E

11 Feb 2010 at 19:54 - 118

Seems someone felt inclined to remove my comment. In any case, we knew this was gonna happen, lets be real. I repeat, it was welfare. On the other hand, it was damn fun to use a couple hundred Zkeys and pull dozens of Creme Brulees. I would rather roller beetle racing be more frequent as a concession....

LazyLink

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ascalon Dung Warriors

R/Mo

11 Feb 2010 at 20:00 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by vader

Not surprised and a little disappointed but it is absolutely ridiculous that they couldn't fix the code for this. Anyone with any kind of programming experience could probably rewrite simple code for assigning points about a half hour. Its not that difficult.

yes, theorycoding, because theorycrafting works so well.

Kc Quipor Ultra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

Belgium

TRL

E/Me

11 Feb 2010 at 20:10 - 120

Well i think to fix the community i think ANET needs to release retail or beta THIS YEAR =) Else they will loss many loyal players =(