Guild Wars post mortem .

Rhododendron

Rhododendron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

Rt/

Both a question and suggestion.
Do you think that sooner or later everyone from Guild Wars will move on to Guild Wars 2, and from one reason or another there will be a day when the old Guild Wars will just shut down ?
And if so, knowing that the game doesn't even start without a running internet connection , wouldn't you like to have the option of being able to still run around the game offline ? One can finish the main story line alone . I would love to know if they can make the game to run offline and give you the feel that regardless of its nature , you still own the game years after the servers went down. I mean its still a game that we love. And as it is , at least for me not knowing much of an usual MMO's last years behavior its still something that you can't keep on a shelf.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Why bother? The only reason people play at this point is for titles for GW2 or for their guild or whatnot.

Operations

Operations

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Saint Louis, MI (yes, it exists)

Pylons of Bastet [PofB]

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It would be nice to have an offline version before they close the servers, or at least a server side version so small groups can make their own servers (like Guild Servers or what not) for those people that want to keep playing it with friends after it is not supported, but don't bet on it.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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The only reason to play GW once GW2 comes out is because you don't have GW2, you're trying to get some kind of benefit in GW2 through GW, or you like GW more. I wouldn't be surprised to see skill balances stop happening after some time that GW2 has been out, and at that point, GW becomes super boring to even bother with.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhododendron View Post
And if so , knowing that the game doesn't even start without a running internet connection , wouldn't you like to have the option of being able to still run around the game offline ? One can finish the main story line alone . I would love to know if they can make the game to run offline and give you the feel that regardless of its nature , you still own the game years after the servers went down.
Or they could just release the code of the game so people could play on private servers like every other older game.

Hell, more people still play EQ over EQ2....if GW2 is bad, that could happen again.

Dre

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Belgium

Dutch Doom Brigade

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they might turn GW F2P
with a number of microtransactions that are banned from pvp
(just a guess, though, but as long as they can keep earning money from GW1, they probably will)

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

I don't think they'd be able to shut off the servers without making a single-player version available to play. I don't think they'll ever completely shut off the servers at all, really. Maybe a number of them, not all of them.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

It is entirely possible another company might step in and offer to provide hosting for the small remainder of the community.

Happened with Nox when Westwood went down.

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
Why bother? The only reason I play at this point is for titles for GW2 or for their guild or whatnot.
Fixed that for you.

vamp08

vamp08

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

PA, USA

[COPY]

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
The only reason to play GW once GW2 comes out is because you don't have GW2, you're trying to get some kind of benefit in GW2 through GW, or you like GW more. I wouldn't be surprised to see skill balances stop happening after some time that GW2 has been out, and at that point, GW becomes super boring to even bother with.
We don't even have that NOW.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

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I don't think the servers will go down unless Anet ceases operations. A few nostalgic players will continue playing forever, but the server(s) needed for them to play will be so few as to be negligible.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

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Originally Posted by Del View Post
I'm new to Guild Wars.
If you'd been playing as long as the rest of us, you wouldn't really find the game itself fun or interesting any more.

Rhododendron

Rhododendron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

Rt/

waaaaaait a second.. back off shoo, graaah, ptffft! Morphy you short sighted finger puppet go kick yourself in the nuts - and the rest of you stay on topic and don't start complaining about the game or so help me i'm going to hack your accounts!

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
more bs
iirc, some people still play to bullshit with friends and guildies, and pvp.

Morphy

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

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Originally Posted by Rhododendron View Post
waaaaaait a second.. back off shoo, graaah, ptffft! Morphy you short sighted finger puppet go kick yourself in the nuts - and the rest of you stay on topic and don't start complaining about the game or so help me i'm going to hack your accounts!
Ur shush a troll. Stop being shush a troll. Only a troll would make this kind of a troll topic.

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
If you'd been playing as long as the rest of us, you wouldn't really find the game itself fun or interesting any more.
I've been playing since it came out and will not be buying the sequel. I also am in a two man guild where we don't do any 'guild like' stuff.

LIke the guy you quoted was implying, "speak for yourself".

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anduin View Post
I've been playing since it came out and will not be buying the sequel. I also am in a two man guild where we don't do any 'guild like' stuff.

LIke the guy you quoted was implying, "speak for yourself".
Same here. It's not really the content, it's who I play with that counts.

That said, I'll probably get GW2 as well if my friends do, even tough I believe it will be nowhere as good as GW1 when it first came out.

drunk n angry

drunk n angry

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

in a quiet little town that i love.

Ancient Dragoons [AGED]

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i would really like to see a version of the game that is ran from the HD with the option for online LAN play. i have a home network and my friends and i who play could still then play cuz this game still rocks even with the shitty skill updates LOL atleast then there wouldnt be any more fail updates. i'm up for that LOL

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

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Originally Posted by Morphy View Post
Ur shush a troll. Stop being shush a troll. Only a troll would make this kind of a troll topic.
I disagree. As someone who's purchased a product, he has a right to know when that product will no longer be available. I personally have always been surprised that some gamers don't seem to care if they can no longer play a game. In fact that very idea is one reason I hesitate to play online games in the first place.

If I buy a DvD or book or CD, I can still use it a decade later, as long as I have the compatible hardware. Its a reasonable question to ask whether or not the same will be true for a Video game purchase.

aeligos

aeligos

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2010

USA

Fortituro Et Fides

i love gw

i will always play it so long as i am given the ability

gw2 is going to be big and it will tie in with gw1 nicely in so that gw1 will not be left untouched by players UNLESS they want to limit their gw2 experience

of course this is just an assumption, thats the function... but hey, it's better than nutthin.

you dig???

solid!

-.-

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

Hopefully when it happens they will have a big party like they ended the Beta (missed that one ) Gwen can kill all

reaper with no name

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Or they could just release the code of the game so people could play on private servers like every other older game.

Hell, more people still play EQ over EQ2....if GW2 is bad, that could happen again.
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Originally Posted by drunk n angry View Post
i would really like to see a version of the game that is ran from the HD with the option for online LAN play. i have a home network and my friends and i who play could still then play cuz this game still rocks even with the shitty skill updates LOL atleast then there wouldnt be any more fail updates. i'm up for that LOL
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Player-created updates that would actually create some balance in this broken game.

Fap

Fap

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2010

If they don't fix it, and they probably won't, then yes, definitely. It'd be good to have private pvp servers where you can balance the game tho.

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Originally Posted by Del View Post
Fixed that for you.
+1

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
If you'd been playing as long as the rest of us, you wouldn't really find the game itself fun or interesting any more.
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Originally Posted by Rhododendron View Post
waaaaaait a second.. back off shoo, graaah, ptffft! Morphy you short sighted finger puppet go kick yourself in the nuts - and the rest of you stay on topic and don't start complaining about the game or so help me i'm going to hack your accounts!
-1

Saph

Saph

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2009

R/

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post

If I buy a DvD or book or CD, I can still use it a decade later, as long as I have the compatible hardware. Its a reasonable question to ask whether or not the same will be true for a Video game purchase.
This right here. I have invested time and money into something, so I would like to have the option and the hope, that they will not one day close down the servers in favor of GW2.

Grunntar

Grunntar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Personally, I don't think that there's a "snowball's chance in Balthazar's realm" that they will ever release the code, or make this a single player game.

It will only ever be in their full control, and only on their servers.

They will likely keep GW alive for some time, because you will still be able to add more achievements in your HoM, and have them reflected in your GW2 rewards.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
That said, I'll probably get GW2 as well if my friends do, even tough I believe it will be nowhere as good as GW1 when it first came out.
Might want to take that there nostalgia filter off your glasses before comparing the 5 year old game with the game that we've barely seen at all.

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

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Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Might want to take that there nostalgia filter off your glasses before comparing the 5 year old game with the game that we've barely seen at all.
It's no matter of nostalgia, it's a matter of approach to the game. GW1 was fairly different from the rest, and miles ahead of the competition of the time.

GW2 is being conceived as another "me-too" MMORPG.

So little we know about GW2, I'm not really convinced right now. They chose not to retain any aspect that made its prequel great, so they must really unleash something so great to surprise me for me to buy it and play it.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
They chose not to retain any aspect that made its prequel great...
It's quite the opposite - they retain every aspect that made the prequel great and it looks like they're getting rid of every one that sucked, in effect creating a mix that can be pure epic win if done right.

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
It's quite the opposite - they retain every aspect that made the prequel great and it looks like they're getting rid of every one that sucked, in effect creating a mix that can be pure epic win if done right.
Ah, I see. Making the game a WoW-clone. Whatever...

Shadowspawn X

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
It's quite the opposite - they retain every aspect that made the prequel great and it looks like they're getting rid of every one that sucked, in effect creating a mix that can be pure epic win if done right.
Well its a matter of opinion, they have to strike the right balance or it will be a flop. Many people enjoyed low levels, hunting for skill unlocks and non-solo play while many did not, so if Anet thrashes the wrong game elements it could be a great exodus of the fan base.

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

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Originally Posted by Morphy View Post
This is a troll topic. Just ignore it guys.
Welcome to the internet, hope you enjoy your stay.

We recommend you familiarize yourself with such terms as "troll" and "naab" so you don't embarrass yourself while beginning your stay by misplacing such terms.....owait.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Troll topic or not, OP is an idiot.

There are always going to be a steady flow of people playing any old game. There are less then 30,000 people playing D2, and blizzard seems to have kept them up 10 years+. Despite being p2p, EQ1 has also managed to stay around for 10 years with never more then 1 million people playing it, along with that same amount playing the sequel, at almost 6 years.

Nothing is going to happen to GW so stop worrying about it.

If such an event does occur (one would HOPE GWLP:R is still being developed).

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
Ah, I see. Making the game a WoW-clone. Whatever...
Take a look around, there are more MMOs out there then WoW that GW2 would closely resemble. Personally I see GW2 being more like Vanguard:SoH.

Meridon

Meridon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Funny Business Inc [FBI]

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
I disagree. As someone who's purchased a product, he has a right to know when that product will no longer be available. I personally have always been surprised that some gamers don't seem to care if they can no longer play a game. In fact that very idea is one reason I hesitate to play online games in the first place.

If I buy a DvD or book or CD, I can still use it a decade later, as long as I have the compatible hardware. Its a reasonable question to ask whether or not the same will be true for a Video game purchase.
While I feel the same way, nowadays games that are played online all have some kind of EULA or whatever, which players are forced to accept, that releases publishers and developers from any kind of liability to maintain the game online. Just look at what happened to Tabula Rasa (lolwut NCSoft)... In the end, everything you spent on purchasing what you think you now own, is doomed worthless.

Way to go consumer fairness.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

ArenaNet has stated in the past that the servers will stay up as long as there are enough players. So the duty of every player who wants the game to continue is to make sure you play it on a regular basis.

Now this is not a "forever" promise and they have never even addressed private server questions. But I can picture the game in the future with the only remaining server sitting in someone's office, as I'm sure some of the ANet employees will still be playing it.

Deatgs Corrupter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Wold Pirates

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to be fair, they have already said tht they are gonna keep up servers when gw2 is released, if there are benefits through HoM they will keep gw up so that people can get these achievments, also it may mean more gw sales finally they said they will enter open beta in mid to late 2010 so its another year. what I hope is that through the HoM in gw 2 if there is one, you can look at past events and these events will be gw storyline missions fRom the first game.
-Deatgs

Rhododendron

Rhododendron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

Rt/

I didn't mean to start an argue about the game's ability to keep players online but try to figure a way of making it work even after 20 years .
I might be a lowlife that lost a thousand of hours playing around, compared to other more social life oriented characters reading or not reading this, but i enjoy my purchased games to work a very long time after i payed money for them unless the next major earthquake hits close or the flesh eating gorillas stampede near my home.

Turbo Ginsu

Turbo Ginsu

I despise facebook

Join Date: Feb 2008

Australia

Meeting of the Lost Minds

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Hell, more people still play EQ over EQ2....if GW2 is bad, that could happen again.
Look at this kids. As scawy as it seems, this happens. It happens a lot. That's why we still have NwN 1 servers, DoD 1.3 and CS 1.6 servers, the list doesn't end there, but I'll end it there for tl;dr's sake.

Point is, you can't discard offhand the possibility of a suck-quel until the game is out and proven not to be. People will continue to play GW1 regardless of GW2. Anyone trying to tell you otherwise is a newkid who's still wet behind the ears in their gaming career, and as such can be ignored safely.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

I think it's too early for ArenaNet to discuss GW's afterlife. The game is good to go for several more years until they reach the point where they say "enough" to getting the HoM benefits in GW2. When they announce that deadline is the time to start bombarding them with scenarios for continuation as they will be looking at the remaining playerbase in GW.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
I think it's too early for ArenaNet to discuss GW's afterlife. The game is good to go for several more years until they reach the point where they say "enough" to getting the HoM benefits in GW2. When they announce that deadline is the time to start bombarding them with scenarios for continuation as they will be looking at the remaining playerbase in GW.
The game will always be good to go for "several years" depending, because there will ALWAYS be atleast one person who wants to play PvE over again for nostalgic reasons.

The real question is: Will Anet hold to their word?

They've said they would support it as long as "people play it". This is far from an accurate statement, and barely seems official. Rather something one employee smacked on there to settle the issue quickly.

The bottom line is that it will, obviously, come down to Anet's willingness to pay for servers that don't net any money. And you got to be honest here, from past experience we know Anet isn't too motivated to invest in a bodemless pit. (Look at GW now)
Obviously, were not at that point yet, and it is most definatly possible some of devs can convince Anet not to let this beautifull world die.

Then as final option, I can always see company promoted (commercialized) servers, or simply an offline version getting release, if not by "hackers". (GWLP)



So in overal, the safe conclusions we can draw is:

-It's unlikely GW will ever get completely shut down. (For atleast the comming 10 years that is)
-It's unlikely Anet will keep paying for it, so it will likely be alternative.