Guild Wars post mortem .

Amy Awien

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Originally Posted by Rhododendron View Post
I didn't mean to start an argue about the game's ability to keep players online but try to figure a way of making it work even after 20 years .
Are there any 20 year old games that you play now? Anyone else?

Once in a while I play a level of Descent, but that's only 15 years old, there's a Lode Runner clone that I haven't tried yet and the Elite clone I installed has seen less then 5 hours of gameplay.

I predict that 10 years from now, probably less, you'll not be interested in playing Guild Wars anymore.

Zahr Dalsk

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Originally Posted by Del View Post
iirc, some people still play to bullshit with friends and guildies, and pvp.
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
Why bother? The only reason people play at this point is for titles for GW2 or for their guild or whatnot.
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
or for their guild
Quoted text does not count towards character requirement.

Pleikki

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There is still alot ppl Playing Diablo2 and its 10years old game..

As said before Anet will mostlikely run servers as long as there is players..

Cuilan

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I may not buy Guild Wars 2 if:

1. There is a load of grind.
2. A lack of PvE content for groups with 8 or so players.
3. No mesmers.
4. If you can switch skills or skillbars anytime or you can bring unlimited/a lot of skills at once.
5. Or other bs stuff from other stupid games.
6. If the GW2 Anet staff shows they are against PvE balance.

If any of those are with GW2, I'll stick with GW1.

Jetdoc

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
Why bother? The only reason people play at this point is for titles for GW2 or for their guild or whatnot.
Definitely speak for yourself. I still play the game because I continue to find certain aspects of it challenging and fun. I definitely don't play it for titles (which are pretty absurd, other than those that actually impact gameplay) or for my guild.

Anon-e-mouse

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
6. If the GW2 Anet staff shows they are against PvE balance.
Another person who doesn't get, that even Lyndsey has said THAT PVE IS NOT MEANT TO BE BALANCED.

slowerpoke

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My purchase of GW2 is not a given, it will be judged on its own merits.

Del

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Quoted text does not count towards character requirement.
You kind of had a small shred of a point. Guess your statement wasn't completely fallacious after all.

Cuilan

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse View Post
Another person who doesn't get it, even Lynsey has said THAT PVE IS NOT MEANT TO BE BALANCED.
How recent was that and can you provide a link?

Nice attitude you have there. Are you like that in real life?

Cacheelma

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Originally Posted by Pleikki View Post
There is still alot ppl Playing Diablo2 and its 10years old game..
You did NOT just compare GW to Diablo II, do you?

QueenofDeath

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Join Date: Jul 2009

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Originally Posted by Rhododendron View Post
Both a question and suggestion.
Do you think that sooner or later everyone from Guild Wars will move on to Guild Wars 2, and from one reason or another there will be a day when the old Guild Wars will just shut down ?
And if so, knowing that the game doesn't even start without a running internet connection , wouldn't you like to have the option of being able to still run around the game offline ? One can finish the main story line alone . I would love to know if they can make the game to run offline and give you the feel that regardless of its nature , you still own the game years after the servers went down. I mean its still a game that we love. And as it is , at least for me not knowing much of an usual MMO's last years behavior its still something that you can't keep on a shelf.
I think the question can be answered with a question. Did they make Tabula Rasa or Auto Assault available for OFFLINE play when they shut those servers down? Nope is the answer and I'm 99.9% sure they won't do it for GW either.

Rhododendron

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Can Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault be compared with the success the Guild Wars chapters had and still have?

Anonymous IXl

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Or they could just release the code of the game so people could play on private servers like every other older game.

Hell, more people still play EQ over EQ2....if GW2 is bad, that could happen again.
I dont think theyre gunna fail like EQ2... They seem to be putting work into the next game. Looks like theyre going to do decent... And just from Trailers an Q/A that i have read on it makes me wana play it. I just hope your not rite cus if GW2 Fails idk what im gunna do... Lol

Bob Slydell

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma View Post
You did NOT just compare GW to Diablo II, do you?
Whats wrong with that?

Diablo 2 IS a great game, one of the best RPG ever made. There are still 30-40k people playing today at any given time you log on, 11 years later.

Don't forget how much of a hit GW was... sure D2 probably outsold GW, but D2 hit 4 million copies in 2001. 1999 to 2001 is two years. GW came out in 2005 and in 2008 (3 years later) they announced 5 million copies sold. Thats not exact player amount of course, but it still shows popularity.

Sure GW has probably dropped below a million, but so has D2 over the years.

Diablo 2 is one of those games you stop playing for a while and then come back and play again and remember the good old days and still kick some ass. GW is the same way if you play it right.

IMO, I see GW in 2020, still there, about as active as Diablo 2 is today. If anyone agrees with me, quote my post and show that you agree.

Bob Slydell

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Originally Posted by Anonymous IXl View Post
I dont think theyre gunna fail like EQ2... They seem to be putting work into the next game. Looks like theyre going to do decent... And just from Trailers an Q/A that i have read on it makes me wana play it. I just hope your not rite cus if GW2 Fails idk what im gunna do... Lol
The original EQ2 was awesome. Level 1-50 is still worth playing today, of course staying on the original content (Shattered Lands). Every expansion made after the initial release sucked ass, and TSO was the final nail in the coffin for me when they took all the shit I worked for in Level 80 to build a great character and threw it out the window, introducing the raid armor shit that came in several different tiers, which inevitably invited the worst possible attitudes (elitism) demanding Everyone should group with this new raid armor. The armor was only obtainable if you grinded the same dungeons over and over every say 24/7/365. Being the casual gamer, this was it for me after 2 long years of playing. Cut the subscription in mid 2009, haven't looked back since. Heard about the new expansion coming, and rumors it brought more grind your-ass-off armor, and raise level cap to 90. I smiled and then lol'd IRL.

I guess that was my off-topic tl;dr QFT agreeing with you about eq2 failing.

QueenofDeath

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Originally Posted by Rhododendron View Post
Can Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault be compared with the success the Guild Wars chapters had and still have?
Success of the past does not equate to revenue of the future of an old game. Facts are when Tabula Rasa and Auto Duel no longer became profitable they shut them down. This is NCsoft not Anet and NCsoft will have the final say how long GW stays afloat. It won't be long after the exodus to GW2. There's already been a mass exodus and more and more are leaving as the game becomes boring and unsatisfying. I haven't played it in nearly 3 months now as it's just a waste of time and there's nothing worth doing anymore except GRIND and I can do that in any game and get a hellofalot more out of them than some silly vanity item or title.

Cacheelma

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell View Post
Whats wrong with that?

Diablo 2 IS a great game, one of the best RPG ever made. There are still 30-40k people playing today at any given time you log on, 11 years later.

Don't forget how much of a hit GW was... sure D2 probably outsold GW, but D2 hit 4 million copies in 2001. 1999 to 2001 is two years. GW came out in 2005 and in 2008 (3 years later) they announced 5 million copies sold.
I responsible for 4 copies of GW in that 5 millions (P, F, NF, ETON).

The 4 millions of D2 was ONLY D2, and not LoD. You can't really compare the two. Besides, the offline-playable nature of D2 makes the game pirate-able. I know people in my country pirated it. I, too, did. So for D2's popularity, the sale-figure doesn't really mean much imo.

You can't pirate GW. I think that's all that's needed to be said.

Bob Slydell

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath View Post
Success of the past does not equate to revenue of the future of an old game. Facts are when Tabula Rasa and Auto Duel no longer became profitable they shut them down. This is NCsoft not Anet and NCsoft will have the final say how long GW stays afloat. It won't be long after the exodus to GW2. There's already been a mass exodus and more and more are leaving as the game becomes boring and unsatisfying. I haven't played it in nearly 3 months now as it's just a waste of time and there's nothing worth doing anymore except GRIND and I can do that in any game and get a hellofalot more out of them than some silly vanity item or title.
Yes..yes.. I read your post. I understand that.

But honestly, how has D2 been up this long? Sure Blizz has WoW to milk crazy profit from (monthly fee and all) but Blizz doesn't even run D2 anymore besides feed it a patch every once in a blue moon, it sits on AT&T servers, how can either of these big time companies possibly see D2 as cost effective to run servers for it on battle net. anymore? It's not even Pay to Play as we know too. I just need help seeing this. Maybe Blizzard really does feed a few million here and there to AT&T keep D2 up their servers, who knows what really goes on.

Snorph

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I think GW is very much still strong, I see new people getting GW daily. GW2 will be totality different. Like WoW is still strong, I see no reason why GW wouldn't be the same.

I for one still have alot of content and stuff I need to finish in GW.

GW player for 3 years now and I still enjoy it.

QueenofDeath

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Join Date: Jul 2009

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell View Post
Yes..yes.. I read your post. I understand that.

But honestly, how has D2 been up this long? Sure Blizz has WoW to milk crazy profit from (monthly fee and all) but Blizz doesn't even run D2 anymore besides feed it a patch every once in a blue moon, it sits on AT&T servers, how can either of these big time companies possibly see D2 as cost effective to run servers for it on battle net. anymore? It's not even Pay to Play as we know too. I just need help seeing this. Maybe Blizzard really does feed a few million here and there to AT&T keep D2 up their servers, who knows what really goes on.
D2 isn't an ONLINE only playing game is why. It was produced as a solo offline action rpg game with online mp aspects. I never played it online in my D2 life. Plus D2 has a key thing LONGEVITY because you are ever evolving even when you make level 99 (which takes a hellofalongtime unless you cheat online). There are so many loot variables with that horadaric cube I don't think anyone would ever see them all in a lifetime.

GW you see it all in just a few days or a weeks play in every chapter. It's too easy and simple to play and see the whole world and whole story of GW in a very short time and then everything becomes just redundant for no other reason than grinding for some silly meaningless title or some vanity skin that has no more power than a collectors weapon.

So that's the big difference and why D2 has lasted so long. I'm still playing it after all these years looking for new SETS of gear (get all the pieces and it makes you even more powerful).

GW success wasn't really the game itself as much as it was an MMO with no monthly fee to challenge WOW and EQ and the rest for those casual players that don't have the money to burn a month/year on them. It's a nice little MMO tonka toy, but, it's nothing major or ever has been really. And it certainly doesn't have longevity like the others do.

You can bank that if GW had of had a monthly fee it would have never been as successful as it was and I do not expect NCsoft to make it an offline game if/when/should they decide to pull the plug.

Benderama

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wouldn't you Anet have to send all character data and everything to people's PCs to play offline? anywho i'd rather they just close GW down, it'd be nice to go and see the old places every now and then but maybe we'll get something similar to the BMP that shows us old areas.
anyway if they do shut down the servers i hope they tell everyone a month or two in advance, so people could finish up everything they started.

Aljasha

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the active player count in gw1 will probably stay about the same until gw2 is released. then it will increase, because many people want to achieve the titles in order to get their hands on the cosmetic stuff. noobs (no offense) to the gw universe will probably buy gw2 and gw1 in bundles to get the stuff too.

imo, one year after the release of gw2, gw1 will be abandoned but die with gw2.

QueenofDeath

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I dunno Aljasha I wouldn't want to spend my time in an old game just for a few early game trinkets in GW2 when I could be experiencing along to get to the good more favored items of GW2. Newness takes over 99.9% of the time and I'd wager everyone will just want to get to the end game stuff of GW2 instead of going back and playing old content in GW1.

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
How recent was that and can you provide a link?

Nice attitude you have there. Are you like that in real life?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...rstandable....

And the quote is ...

"Who says PvE is balanced? Not I.", posted 6th August 2009.

PvE is not now, never has been, and is NOT designed to be balanced. Get over it, move on.

Cuilan

Cuilan

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That quote by Linsey doesn't say if Anet is for or against PvE balance. It just says they're more concerned about area abuse with the discussion above. Get over it because saying get over makes my view better supported.

Grj

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Join Date: Apr 2007

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse View Post
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...rstandable....

And the quote is ...

"Who says PvE is balanced? Not I.", posted 6th August 2009.

PvE is not now, never has been, and is NOT designed to be balanced. Get over it, move on.
Wait, what?

Quote:
Who says PvE is balanced? Not I.
Was a responce to the following sentance:

Quote:
If anet think that perma invincibility need to stay, it means they think that pve is not balanced. But they will tell you that pve is balanced.

I understand when there's a lil misunderstanding but damn...What is it with people taking what Anet say completely out of context or as gospel.

Del

Del

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
PvE balance
Humans always win, i think we need a nerf. otherwise, who gives a shit how you get from point a to point b?

Regulus X

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhododendron View Post
both a question and suggestion.
Do you think that sooner or later everyone from guild wars will move on to guild wars 2, and from one reason or another there will be a day when the old guild wars will just shut down ?
and if so, knowing that the game doesn't even start without a running internet connection , wouldn't you like to have the option of being able to still run around the game offline ? One can finish the main story line alone . I would love to know if they can make the game to run offline and give you the feel that regardless of its nature , you still own the game years after the servers went down. I mean its still a game that we love. And as it is , at least for me not knowing much of an usual mmo's last years behavior its still something that you can't keep on a shelf.
Of course! Did you expect anything less than that? We're all going to buy GW2 despite all the broken promises and let-downs, and we're going to like it, because if GW2 is anything like GW1 in the addictive aspect, we're all going to be hooked no matter what we say or do. ..and Anet will probably continue offering up insignificant trinkets on their online store to make even more money because they know we'll buy into everything they lay in front of us. History will eventually repeat itself a few years after GW2's release with let-downs and such, too.. ..but hey! ..it's okay because Anet'll probably have GW3 in the works at that point.

Rhododendron

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Ah, that's what Morphy meant by trolling in his brief pink appearances along the thread - i really thought he was just farting around - me saying that everyone from gw1 will move on to gw2. If you have a problem with that just read it " everyone from gw1 will end up doing something else " because that was the point.
Sorry for telling you to go kick yourself in the nuts Morphy, i know have been a leettle mean to you . Also you are off my ignore list now. Rejoice!

Captain Bulldozer

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien View Post
Are there any 20 year old games that you play now? Anyone else?

Once in a while I play a level of Descent, but that's only 15 years old, there's a Lode Runner clone that I haven't tried yet and the Elite clone I installed has seen less then 5 hours of gameplay.

I predict that 10 years from now, probably less, you'll not be interested in playing Guild Wars anymore.
Some of the best games ever made were made early on. They don't need to have great graphics to have a great story. I still occasionally go back and play the Space Quest/ King's quest games, or some of the early wing commander games and even a few others that are still fun to play. I know there are plenty of people who do the same thing, otherwise DosBox wouldn't exist

Cuilan

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Originally Posted by Del View Post
Humans always win, i think we need a nerf. otherwise, who gives a shit how you get from point a to point b?
If I prefer and invested time/effort in x profession, I should be allowed to get to point b with people or be able to do something as well. Obvious.

Del

Del

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
If I prefer and invested time/effort in x profession, I should be allowed to get to point b with people or be able to do something as well. Obvious.
mesmers aren't meant to be an imba pve class, they're better suited for pvp, if for some arbitrary reason you want to play mes in pve, deal with its shortcomings. Simple.

Cuilan

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That isn't a reason to not have balance. People don't want to be forced into a profession they don't have or want in order to be useful. Deal with it. Simple.

Del

Del

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
That isn't a reason to not have balance. People don't want to be forced into a profession they don't have or want in order to be useful. Deal with it. Simple.
so for some arbitrary reason you play a class just because you want to, despite it being ineffective for pve. it's your own fault, get over it kiddo.

Aleta

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
Why bother? The only reason people play at this point is for titles for GW2 or for their guild or whatnot.

Well don't include me in this blanket statement. So who buried GW? EQ is still going strong after all these years and it has a sub. When GW2 comes out I plan on doing both. But poor Aion turned out to be so sad that I'm a bit concerned about what GW2 will be like. Either way I haven't seen GW in the obits lately lol

Risus

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Everyone planning on continuing on playing an MMORPG will obviously buy GW2 because GW will die they will throw you holiday events and updates every now and then but all attention will be focused on GW2. And most of the better players will swap over too. Eventually people will just get bored of GW1 and quit, and when the numbers drop low, ANet will redivert the servers to host GW2 clients and GW will die.

Cuilan

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Originally Posted by Del View Post
so for some arbitrary reason you play a class just because you want to, despite it being ineffective for pve. it's your own fault, get over it kiddo.
Guild Wars is a game. I make myself very effective for PvE regardless of profession. However not everyone is able to so you'd obviously want balance so um...obvious. Apparently you want the game to be some sort of grind for the newest craze of the month activity.

Stop trying to save face.

Bob Slydell

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
That isn't a reason to not have balance. People don't want to be forced into a profession they don't have or want in order to be useful. Deal with it. Simple.
Who is forcing who into playing what profession? Every profession is capable of completing the game AND solo farming regardless of what idiots do or say. Who told you this?

Cuilan

Cuilan

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No specific person and you know exactly what is being discussed in that quote. I don't farm often and I do more in PvE than beat the game. You're more than likely viewing your own play style as the norm for every player?

Bob Slydell

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
No specific person and you know exactly what is being discussed in that quote. I don't farm often and I do more in PvE than beat the game. You're more than likely viewing your own play style as the norm for every player.
I am hardly viewing my own play style as the "norm" for all players. I just frown upon any other playstyle than mine because I'm an ignorant fanboy.