I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you. In a year or less, all your in game shinnies will be valued for what they really are.. pixels. This game is going to die off as GW2 is underway and ppl stop playing GW and ANet stops spending resources on GW.
As price is determined by supply and demand, demand for in game shinnies is going to disappear like the bubble bursting in the financial markets after the internet go go days and real estate market crash the last couple of years.
So why do you care people are able to speed clear some higher difficulty areas solo or duo for their shinnies, when having 100,000 ectos will basically mean squat when the GW2 comes on?
Food for Thought.
esthetic
Cuilan
Why play any games at all? Why post on forums on the Internet?
Shayne Hawke
Three words: Hall of Monuments.
Any kind of reward that you can stick in there can potentially have some kind of benefit in GW2. What we know is that these benefits will be cosmetic and can't be traded. However, there is no telling whether every single minipet, weapon, title, armor, or hero is going to reap an individual and unique benefit, individual and general benefit, or whether having a whole Monument filled out is just going to result in one prize.
Basically, pouring wealth into the HoM in GW could allow you to gain some trinket in GW2 to show that you had a lot of wealth, or great deal of "skill". Whether anyone's going to think that will amount to anything once GW2 is released remains a mystery.
Any kind of reward that you can stick in there can potentially have some kind of benefit in GW2. What we know is that these benefits will be cosmetic and can't be traded. However, there is no telling whether every single minipet, weapon, title, armor, or hero is going to reap an individual and unique benefit, individual and general benefit, or whether having a whole Monument filled out is just going to result in one prize.
Basically, pouring wealth into the HoM in GW could allow you to gain some trinket in GW2 to show that you had a lot of wealth, or great deal of "skill". Whether anyone's going to think that will amount to anything once GW2 is released remains a mystery.
esthetic
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Raven Wing
Provided you can still add stuff to HoM after GW2 is opened and the bonus of HoM is worth anything then there will still be a demand for that. So while these req7 rare skin weapons might drop in value there will still be a demand for minis, hero armors, tormented weps and consumables like ales, snowmen etc that adds to the titles. My guess is that these will rise in value compared to items that cannot be put in HoM.
Martin Alvito
Some people want the shinies because they believe that the shinies will confer benefits in GW2 via HoM.
If you don't believe that, don't chase the shinies. You are correct to assert that ecto is not transferable, but ecto is just a means of exchange. People don't want the ecto. They want what they can buy with the ecto now because other players recognize that the ecto has value now.
You might as well ask why AC/DC sings about money in addition to women and booze. Money is a means of getting the other two in the simple, three good universe that AC/DC lives in. If the U.S. government started dropping money from helicopters as Friedman once suggested, people that already have a lot of money would be upset and people without a lot of money would be happy. Just how it is.
If you don't believe that, don't chase the shinies. You are correct to assert that ecto is not transferable, but ecto is just a means of exchange. People don't want the ecto. They want what they can buy with the ecto now because other players recognize that the ecto has value now.
You might as well ask why AC/DC sings about money in addition to women and booze. Money is a means of getting the other two in the simple, three good universe that AC/DC lives in. If the U.S. government started dropping money from helicopters as Friedman once suggested, people that already have a lot of money would be upset and people without a lot of money would be happy. Just how it is.
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I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you. In a year or less, all your in game shinnies will be valued for what they really are.. pixels. This game is going to die off as GW2 is underway and ppl stop playing GW and ANet stops spending resources on GW.
As price is determined by supply and demand, demand for in game shinnies is going to disappear like the bubble bursting in the financial markets after the internet go go days and real estate market crash the last couple of years. So why do you care people are able to speed clear some higher difficulty areas solo or duo for their shinnies, when having 100,000 ectos will basically mean squat when the GW2 comes on? |
Shriketalon
Because they are shiny. 
esthetic
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Three words: Hall of Monuments.
Any kind of reward that you can stick in there can potentially have some kind of benefit in GW2. What we know is that these benefits will be cosmetic and can't be traded. However, there is no telling whether every single minipet, weapon, title, armor, or hero is going to reap an individual and unique benefit, individual and general benefit, or whether having a whole Monument filled out is just going to result in one prize. Basically, pouring wealth into the HoM in GW could allow you to gain some trinket in GW2 to show that you had a lot of wealth, or great deal of "skill". Whether anyone's going to think that will amount to anything once GW2 is released remains a mystery. |
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Some people just like amassing wealth. Like IRL. We are all going to die anyway so why amass wealth?
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afya
The world is gonna be destroyed on 2012, so why u care about ppl robbing and stealing. Just play some GW for our last 2 years.
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The world is gonna be destroyed on 2012, so why u care about ppl robbing and stealing. Just play some GW for our last 2 years.
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Stop thinking about when GW2 comes, everything will be worthless. Now there's no GW2, just GW, play it and showoff with your xxx ecto's while it is.
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Some people want the shinies because they believe that the shinies will confer benefits in GW2 via HoM.
If you don't believe that, don't chase the shinies. You are correct to assert that ecto is not transferable, but ecto is just a means of exchange. People don't want the ecto. They want what they can buy with the ecto now because other players recognize that the ecto has value now. You might as well ask why AC/DC sings about money in addition to women and booze. Money is a means of getting the other two in the simple, three good universe that AC/DC lives in. If the U.S. government started dropping money from helicopters as Friedman once suggested, people that already have a lot of money would be upset and people without a lot of money would be happy. Just how it is. |
I understand the reason why ppl care, but I think they are being shortsighted and uninformed.
Kattar
Is it point out of the obvious day?
Of course things are going to lose value. That's what happens with all things.
Of course things are going to lose value. That's what happens with all things.
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That is kinda sad.. GW v. Real Life comparison.. or maybe its not sad but profound... idk...
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Martin Alvito
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Correct, but when the "currency" will be devalued in the near future... why care about it at all, especially how others make the currency.
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I understand the reason why ppl care, but I think they are being shortsighted and uninformed.
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esthetic
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Is it point out of the obvious day?
Of course things are going to lose value. That's what happens with all things. |
Essence Snow
Noting the irl you can pass on wealth to heirs.....HoM is sort of like a will. Things you can pass on my still hold value, but other things should depriciate dramatically. Having said that...I understand how certain items (shinies if u will) can retain value. I do not however understand the value in items that cannot be passed on as we get closer to the "demise" of GW1.
ex) High-end minis=retained value......Old school rare weap=depleting value
That was simply an example as I know all those "shinies" (bds,emblade,eblade,froggy, etc..) that r not "oldschool" will fall into the same catagory.
ex) High-end minis=retained value......Old school rare weap=depleting value
That was simply an example as I know all those "shinies" (bds,emblade,eblade,froggy, etc..) that r not "oldschool" will fall into the same catagory.
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Because that impacts players' ability to get things now. If ecto is the means of exchange, then mass ecto farming devalues existing stores of wealth, disproportionately values time spent when the easy ecto farm is available, and distorts the value of the shinies people really want.
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Kind of my point its all gonna be devalued anyway so whats all the hub bub? Not in a couple of years but next year by this time. --directed at the players.
Why spend time and money on restricting how some people play the game? In an overall best interests of the company perspective how does this help the bottom line for ANEt?---directed at the ANet management
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Kind of my point its all gonna be devalued anyway so whats all the hub bub? Not in a couple of years but next year by this time. --directed at the players.
Why spend time and money on restricting how some people play the game? In an overall best interests of the company perspective how does this help the bottom line for ANEt?---directed at the ANet management |
ACWhammy
I bet you anything people will be buying GW2 gold with their GW1 gold
You are so right. No matter who you are, how powerful you are, how much money you have, you are dying broke. You were born into this world naked and broke, you die naked and broke. 
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Some people just like amassing wealth. Like IRL. We are all going to die anyway so why amass wealth?
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Ravious
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That is kinda sad.. GW v. Real Life comparison.. or maybe its not sad but profound... idk...
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Live in the moment, friend.
Shayne Hawke
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do you really think that ANet will make HoM the only path to the end all, be all, neat-o benefit in GW2?
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And GW could even continue to exist as a standalone game, depending on how well it is maintained or what kind of status it would be in without any future updates.
Revolutionen
can u guys imagen the price of diamonds at end of gw1? lol they will be like 100k ea I bet
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Kind of my point its all gonna be devalued anyway so whats all the hub bub? Not in a couple of years but next year by this time. --directed at the players.
Why spend time and money on restricting how some people play the game? In an overall best interests of the company perspective how does this help the bottom line for ANEt?---directed at the ANet management |
Yawgmoth
Since I don't expect GW1 to just die when GW2 comes out, the rare items including the very old weapons worth hundreds of ectos won't become worthless. There won't be any bubble bursting. Some people will keep playing GW1 and to them those items will remain valuable. Many superrare items will become dramatically more rare since lots of accounts will get abandoned and this will balance out the expected dramatic decrease of active players population.
Remember those items are priced in GW1 currency, and the GW1 currency will not just disappear from the game - the stacks of ectos will still be there just as the rare items, and HoM is NOT an ecto/gold sink by itself.
Remember those items are priced in GW1 currency, and the GW1 currency will not just disappear from the game - the stacks of ectos will still be there just as the rare items, and HoM is NOT an ecto/gold sink by itself.
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Some people might get GW2 without first buying GW, see those rewards that they could be earning, and decide to buy GW to get those rewards.
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Well, you may, but the vast majority of players new and old.. I bet will not.
I think its kinda getting off topic.. my point is that IMO people should stop stressing about how other people playing the game and getting their shinnies in this game. ANet should stop spending time and resources to placate some of the Hardcore GW players who are hellbent on playing Governor of GW.
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Kind of my point its all gonna be devalued anyway so whats all the hub bub? Not in a couple of years but next year by this time. --directed at the players.
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It's not that anyone really wants to influence how you play the game. It's that your behavior, and the behavior of thousands of players like you, cumulatively has a large impact on item markets in the game. That effect is undesirable for other players. In economics jargon, this type of problem is called an externality. Since there's no way for the players affected to punish you directly, all that they can do is appeal to ANet to make changes to the game that resolve the externality.
Since ANet made killing overpowered farms part of their anti-botting strategy, it's reasonable for those players to expect some action on ANet's part. Precedent is on the anti-SF crowd's side.
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Wow, you really think that... Someone will actually buy a dead game, GW1, IDK how much it would cost then maybe 9.99USD?, and grind(hours and hours, days and days), which will take time away from playing the GW2, to get a benefit in GW2?
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esthetic
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Since I don't expect GW1 to just die when GW2 comes out, the rare items including the very old weapons worth hundreds of ectos won't become worthless. There won't be any bubble bursting. Some people will keep playing GW1 and to them those items will remain valuable. Many superrare items will become dramatically more rare since lots of accounts will get abandoned and this will balance out the expected dramatic decrease of active players population.
Remember those items are priced in GW1 currency, and the GW1 currency will not just disappear from the game - the stacks of ectos will still be there just as the rare items, and HoM is NOT an ecto/gold sink by itself. |
chessyang
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I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you.
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Grunntar
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So why do you care people are able to speed clear some higher difficulty areas solo or duo for their shinnies
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And Anet is taking it away! Almost as if they control how we have fun!
And *that* is what they object to! (Well, some of them, anyways.)
[For the record, I'm not one of these people. You can measure the time I spend in Shadow Form by "several minutes per week" not "several hours per day"...]
YunSooJin
so give me all your items!
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I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you. In a year or less, all your in game shinnies will be valued for what they really are.. pixels. This game is going to die off as GW2 is underway and ppl stop playing GW and ANet stops spending resources on GW.
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How come you even bothered playing Guild Wars, and how come you will buy GW2?
Enough with the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit Guild Wars doomsday threads. It's getting really RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing old.
carnage-runner
OP's a noob.. Explaination coming.
You refer to things as "shinies". That in itself is rather silly. I know a lot of people who don't play the game for wealth who have amassed a lot of it. A lot of people play for the fun of getting a good time on an SC or getting a cool skin drop for them or making enough ecto to purchase it. Whether or not it is worthless in 1 year is irrelevant. Just because I'm going to assume that you are too broke to afford things and this is your cry session doesn't mean you can make lament statements about others interests and the value of something in a game. Everyone knows that HoM gives us a reason to make more fake money. Things that can go towards that HoM are gonna continue going up in cost, naturally, that doesn't mean much though.
OP's a noob, this thread is pathetic. Making a statement like "Guildwars is going to end" is pretty stupid. Of course it is, and everything with it as well. The HoM is what will remind us and others of our accomplishments in GW1...
OP... quit crying, and go play WoW.
You refer to things as "shinies". That in itself is rather silly. I know a lot of people who don't play the game for wealth who have amassed a lot of it. A lot of people play for the fun of getting a good time on an SC or getting a cool skin drop for them or making enough ecto to purchase it. Whether or not it is worthless in 1 year is irrelevant. Just because I'm going to assume that you are too broke to afford things and this is your cry session doesn't mean you can make lament statements about others interests and the value of something in a game. Everyone knows that HoM gives us a reason to make more fake money. Things that can go towards that HoM are gonna continue going up in cost, naturally, that doesn't mean much though.
OP's a noob, this thread is pathetic. Making a statement like "Guildwars is going to end" is pretty stupid. Of course it is, and everything with it as well. The HoM is what will remind us and others of our accomplishments in GW1...
OP... quit crying, and go play WoW.
The-Bigz
I thought that some of the people that replied to this thread were intelligent before they replied to this thread.
-1 to you guys. Dont feed the failtrain.
And to OP - Were pixels ever anything other then pixels to begin with?
Damit I fed the failtrain.
-1 to you guys. Dont feed the failtrain.
And to OP - Were pixels ever anything other then pixels to begin with?
Damit I fed the failtrain.
Phaern Majes
The reason people "care" about Anet allowing speed clears and other forms of easy/fast farming is that Anet has always stated that Guild Wars is a game where skill > time played. Most these farming builds don't require any skill to play, your wealth then becomes dependent on how much time you can spend playing. While everything you can buy with your wealth may be purely cosmetic, the point is the casual player can't achieve the same "status" even if they happen to be more skilled.
The reason people care despite GW2 coming out, is that if ANet allows this in GW1 then whats to stop them from adopting this policy of time > skill for GW2? The reason I enjoyed the first year of Guild Wars more than any time after, is the fact people weren't obsessing on optimal builds. If you could play your build skillfully and get the job done, then you would get into groups, regardless of the skill set.
Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2.
The reason people care despite GW2 coming out, is that if ANet allows this in GW1 then whats to stop them from adopting this policy of time > skill for GW2? The reason I enjoyed the first year of Guild Wars more than any time after, is the fact people weren't obsessing on optimal builds. If you could play your build skillfully and get the job done, then you would get into groups, regardless of the skill set.
Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2.
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Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2. |
esthetic
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The reason people "care" about Anet allowing speed clears and other forms of easy/fast farming is that Anet has always stated that Guild Wars is a game where skill > time played. Most these farming builds don't require any skill to play, your wealth then becomes dependent on how much time you can spend playing. While everything you can buy with your wealth may be purely cosmetic, the point is the casual player can't achieve the same "status" even if they happen to be more skilled.
The reason people care despite GW2 coming out, is that if ANet allows this in GW1 then whats to stop them from adopting this policy of time > skill for GW2? The reason I enjoyed the first year of Guild Wars more than any time after, is the fact people weren't obsessing on optimal builds. If you could play your build skillfully and get the job done, then you would get into groups, regardless of the skill set. Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2. |
It should be about how you play the game not how others play.
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I don't see how this comment relates to my post. To be more plain. Why care about others using SF and 600 Smite? Just play the game and enjoy it for what it is not about the shinnies.
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B) Because it'd be nice to participate in a PUG that wasn't running SF. Even if it was some other gimmicky bullshit, we've had, what, 2 years of SF being meta now? Shake it up already.
C) Because people still like their shinies, and want to acquire their shinies, for various reasons (HoM not least among them). If the most powerful farming builds are nerfed, then the gap between what farmers make and what you can make through relatively play lessens, at least a bit, so it's easier for people who just don't feel like making a SF sin, dammitall, to buy stuff.
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OP's a noob.. Explaination coming.
You refer to things as "shinies". That in itself is rather silly. I know a lot of people who don't play the game for wealth who have amassed a lot of it. A lot of people play for the fun of getting a good time on an SC or getting a cool skin drop for them or making enough ecto to purchase it. Whether or not it is worthless in 1 year is irrelevant. Just because I'm going to assume that you are too broke to afford things and this is your cry session doesn't mean you can make lament statements about others interests and the value of something in a game. Everyone knows that HoM gives us a reason to make more fake money. Things that can go towards that HoM are gonna continue going up in cost, naturally, that doesn't mean much though. OP's a noob, this thread is pathetic. Making a statement like "Guildwars is going to end" is pretty stupid. Of course it is, and everything with it as well. The HoM is what will remind us and others of our accomplishments in GW1... OP... quit crying, and go play WoW. |
My point or the purpose of this thread is to point out that it is meaningless, counterproductive, wasteful, to spend time and money trying to eliminate farming builds. Because... GW is coming to an end. Stop stressing about how much ectos you have he has, how you get them, how he gets them.