Why We Farm(ed)
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Alex the Great
not all of use can play tons of hours a day. Those of us that can't had to resort to farming.
You didn't have to. You chose to. You chose to because (virtual) wealth is attractive.
I myself don't have much time to play. I chose not to farm and did so far without multiple Obsi armors and Emerald Blades.
I myself don't have much time to play. I chose not to farm and did so far without multiple Obsi armors and Emerald Blades.
bhavv
What fun is there to be had in GW PVE after completing each game other than grinding titles and farming? Making more PVE characters is incredibly dull and unrewarding, I have tried this myself. Focusing on one character and simply grinding and farming is the kind of gameplay that GW promotes because everything in the game is just repetitive and tedious, and farming at least gives you something for your time spent.
For a lot of RPG players, loot and equips are what make the game enjoyable, to do this in GW they need to farm. If other people have any kind of problem with how anyone else personally enjoys playing a video game, they are just being ridiculously stupid.
If you dont like farming, then dont farm. But do STFU and quit complaining about other people choosing to farm because that is how they enjoy playing.
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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
For a lot of RPG players, loot and equips are what make the game enjoyable, to do this in GW they need to farm. If other people have any kind of problem with how anyone else personally enjoys playing a video game, they are just being ridiculously stupid.
If you dont like farming, then dont farm. But do STFU and quit complaining about other people choosing to farm because that is how they enjoy playing.
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You didn't have to. You chose to. You chose to because (virtual) wealth is attractive.
I myself don't have much time to play. I chose not to farm and did so far without multiple Obsi armors and Emerald Blades. And if people choose to farm, then that is their choice alone to play as they like. If they enjoy doing that, it is not up to you to tell them how they should be playing just because you dont enjoy other peoples playstyle.
I myself don't have much time to play. I chose not to farm and did so far without multiple Obsi armors and Emerald Blades. And if people choose to farm, then that is their choice alone to play as they like. If they enjoy doing that, it is not up to you to tell them how they should be playing just because you dont enjoy other peoples playstyle.
jazilla
IDK about a lot of this talk. I have been in groups where we have beaten dungeons faster than some 600/smite teams could get through them, and the obvious dungeons where people were supposedly running you through them but required you to use heals and PI, and, "Run to this spot". I salvaged my items off of my 3 600/Smite characters(monk, rit, ele) and moved on. I even salvaged my obby flesh(not obsidian) armor. It's called meta. If you can't find a way to have fun in a group with blood bond/barbed sig/dwayna's sorrow/SV then you shouldn't play this game. IF Dwarven Battle Stance doesn't make you want to play a warrior...then move on to one of thousands of other games for a few months(six or more) until the next update. Check back in and see if the meta then is interesting to you. Until then, shut your yappers because you had a 6 month warning form the developers that this update was on its way. That was far more than enough time to realize that maybe GW wasn't going to be your cup of team anymore.
snaek
this is a question i always enjoy asking farmers:
if farming offered no reward, would you still farm?
how bout instead of killing monsters, we just give you farmers a big button that says [press me for ecto]. and so all you had to do to get rich in this game was click this button for hours on end. its sad, but i'm certain a large percentage of them would actually do this.
if farming offered no reward, would you still farm?
how bout instead of killing monsters, we just give you farmers a big button that says [press me for ecto]. and so all you had to do to get rich in this game was click this button for hours on end. its sad, but i'm certain a large percentage of them would actually do this.
bhavv
Well, there wouldnt be any fun in just clicking a button.
Likewise, would you play the game if no items, weapons, or gold dropped, and if there was no armor or any kind of inventory system? I doubt many people would.
Killing monsters is all that PVE involves. The storyline is only really enjoyable for the first time. Whether you farm, do quests, or do vanqs, all three are exactly the same. But some people like to collect the drops from certain monsters and play in such a way. There is still enjoyment involved as opposed to just clicking on a button.
Likewise, would you play the game if no items, weapons, or gold dropped, and if there was no armor or any kind of inventory system? I doubt many people would.
Killing monsters is all that PVE involves. The storyline is only really enjoyable for the first time. Whether you farm, do quests, or do vanqs, all three are exactly the same. But some people like to collect the drops from certain monsters and play in such a way. There is still enjoyment involved as opposed to just clicking on a button.
The-Bigz
bhavv
Exactly the point that people should stop taking a game so seriously and leave other people alone to play as they enjoy, be it group play, solo play or farming. It doesnt affect you anywhere near as much, and all that such complainers are trying to do is to take the yarn away from the knitters because they are so obsessed and bothered over how other people knit.
snaek
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Originally Posted by bhavy
Likewise, would you play the game if no items, weapons, or gold dropped, and if there was no armor or any kind of inventory system?
yes, its called pvp. although...hhmmmm...it would be pretty hillarious if other players started dropping random loot upon killing them.
UnChosen
snaek
^yes, i still would pvp. and im certain a large % would say yes--at least compared to farmers. (although this is fairly a bad time to ask, since it is quite in a broken state atm)
Bryant Again
The only thing wrong with farming is if it doesn't match to what the developers have presented us.
If going in an area solo is the most profitable method to amassing cash - and thus every single item in the world of Guild Wars - then you're not going to see high-end areas too popular, and it will largely be a "just for fun" experience. Whether or not this is best for the game is open for discussion.
Loot drives quite a lot of people. Just look at WoW. Nothing wrong with it.
If going in an area solo is the most profitable method to amassing cash - and thus every single item in the world of Guild Wars - then you're not going to see high-end areas too popular, and it will largely be a "just for fun" experience. Whether or not this is best for the game is open for discussion.
Loot drives quite a lot of people. Just look at WoW. Nothing wrong with it.
UnChosen
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Originally Posted by snaek
^yes, i still would pvp. and im certain a large % would say yes--at least compared to farmers. (although this is fairly a bad time to ask, since it is quite in a broken state atm)
Good for you. Please post a "remove all rank and PvP records" in the suggestion forum, let's see how much support you get.
bhavv
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Originally Posted by snaek
The first team to click it wins, GG. Fast Click bot LFG for PVP.
What if there was a 'Click here for 20 fame / Glad Points' button? So all you had to do to get your PVP titles was click on the button? I'm certain a large percentage of PVP players would be clicking in on it endlessly untill they starved to death.
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This theory about "elitists" complaining and getting things nerfed is:
- Immature
- Absurd
- Irrealistic
Hate to quote myself:
Quote: Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
Well, in the interview @ PAX, when questioned about Shadow Form, Linsey Murdock states that they've been lingering on these nerfs because they were afraid of the reaction of farmers. She cites the precedent of Ursan: even if it's still playable and powerful, people don't want to use it anymore, since it's "nerfed".
Exactly what happened here: they slightly altered one skill used in 600/Smite, yet everyone complains. If Anet really had listened to "elitists", Shadow Form and 600/Smite would have been detonated something like one year ago. They decided not to upset farmers instead. Well, chance missed, since then, "farming" went from one excess to another. Farmers shot themselves in the foot by abusing whatever they could and so setting Anet's alarm bell ringing. Blame the speed-clearers for these nerfs, not some fanciful "elite".
They didn't take your toy away, they didn't destroy farming. They just decided not to accept something that's hardly acceptable in any online game (online being the keyword): skipping content, subverting any game mechanic and taking huge advantages out of gimmicks.
They're not against farming per sè. Farming is still very possible. They stepped in and slowed the pace, since SF and 600/Smite went way throught the roof in this respect and were quite frankly excessive to say the least.
If you want to play a game "as you like" with no interference from the developers or the community whatsoever, well, you need a single-player, offline game. Like Diablo II. Take a character editor, get the best stats and items before you even load up the game and enjoy.
They didn't take your toy away, they didn't destroy farming. They just decided not to accept something that's hardly acceptable in any online game (online being the keyword): skipping content, subverting any game mechanic and taking huge advantages out of gimmicks.
They're not against farming per sè. Farming is still very possible. They stepped in and slowed the pace, since SF and 600/Smite went way throught the roof in this respect and were quite frankly excessive to say the least.
If you want to play a game "as you like" with no interference from the developers or the community whatsoever, well, you need a single-player, offline game. Like Diablo II. Take a character editor, get the best stats and items before you even load up the game and enjoy.
Tullzinski
I farm because I am a hoarder!!! You should see my guild hall you can barely move!!!
http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/
Nicholas is the God of farming.
http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/
Nicholas is the God of farming.
chessyang
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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor
Money = Fun?
I can't figure that one out. Farming is extremely dull to me. Bingo! took the words right out of my fingers.
I can't figure that one out. Farming is extremely dull to me. Bingo! took the words right out of my fingers.
snaek
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Originally Posted by bhavv
I also see no difference between farming in PVE and farming in PVP using stuff like IWAY.
yes, pvp "farmers" do exist--and they are generally disliked by the "real" pvp community, myself included. do you realize how much of the pvp community ridicules shitter (famefarm) builds? i'm not really sure the point you are trying to make is?
K'baa
money=fun nope money=status
BTW this isnt pro or con anything and isnt aimed at anybody just how I see it.
Lets face it you bought GW, installed it, built a Character, gave it a funny name went throught the start up mission thinking wow I look cool and isnt this fun talked to the gate guy and got dumped in Spamada and realized your in the Lambrogheni club with a rusted pea green pinto. Standing near the chest is a guy with a name like xX SF Bill Gates the sinXx with a panda mini and glowing hands and you started trying to figure out how to make money not play the game.
Your gear and your titles are what your judged by, right or wrong its true. If you dont think so turn off your GWAMM put on some starter armor and see how long it takes to get somebody to ask ya to ping your build much less add ya PVP or PVE. The things on the screen may be pixels but the have real egos behind em and nobody likes to lose, nobody likes to be excluded, and nobody likes to be looked down upon.
So WHY do we farm? Its all about keeping up with the Jonses
BTW this isnt pro or con anything and isnt aimed at anybody just how I see it.
Lets face it you bought GW, installed it, built a Character, gave it a funny name went throught the start up mission thinking wow I look cool and isnt this fun talked to the gate guy and got dumped in Spamada and realized your in the Lambrogheni club with a rusted pea green pinto. Standing near the chest is a guy with a name like xX SF Bill Gates the sinXx with a panda mini and glowing hands and you started trying to figure out how to make money not play the game.
Your gear and your titles are what your judged by, right or wrong its true. If you dont think so turn off your GWAMM put on some starter armor and see how long it takes to get somebody to ask ya to ping your build much less add ya PVP or PVE. The things on the screen may be pixels but the have real egos behind em and nobody likes to lose, nobody likes to be excluded, and nobody likes to be looked down upon.
So WHY do we farm? Its all about keeping up with the Jonses
Voodoo Rage
The first time I saw an everlasting tonic, I just dropped what I was doing and did nothing but non-stop raptor farming because I just HAD to have one. (Of course just like the real world, once you get the shiny little trinket you want, it suddenly ain't so shiny anymore...)
c1team
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Why We Farm(ed)
Simple because Guildwars has the mechanics to do so. The thought and the ability in a online mmo to do so is why most of us do it. Most games you need parties to complete end game content to achieve any such loot.Seriously farming is from two things. 1. Is being able to do it solo and keeping the loot all for your self. 2. The only thing left to do is pimp out your toon with rare gear once you have complete the game.
X-Plosiv
Only reason I did UWSC was not for ectos or high end chest, I loved doing MNTS, I would do like MNTS all the time
fb2000
So this discussion keeps coming back eh?
Because there is nothing else left to do. Sure, you can say thats bs, but no matter what way you look at anything you do repetitively in GW, its grinding/farming for something
Because there is nothing else left to do. Sure, you can say thats bs, but no matter what way you look at anything you do repetitively in GW, its grinding/farming for something