Good morning, class. Good morning, class. Class? Class!? SHUDD-UP!!!!! Thank you.
The Slaver Exile portal thing is listed as a bug.
So class lets go to the web:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
19.You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com.
If you broke rule 19 you should have some sort of action taken against you according to:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
Now class, I have a surprise for you! I'm going to read you some poems out of this lovely book of poetry. The sun kisses the morning skies. The birds kiss the butterflies. The dew kisses the morning grass. Class? Class!? Cla-- WAKE UP!!!!!
Update - Thursday, March 11, 2010
Tullzinski
Amy Awien
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The Slaver Exile portal thing is listed as a bug.
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Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by upier
I was talking about A.Net.
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Reformed
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Really? Where, I mean, where was it listed as bug before the update?
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Update - Monday, August 13, 2007
This was an undocumented update.
GuildWiki Notes
* This update disabled the reconnect feature in the game to prevent further exploitation of a trade bug that allowed players to duplicate items using reconnection.
Funny, I don't remember an official statement then either just some blather on Gaile's page that would be impossible to verify.
bilinast
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Good morning, class. Good morning, class. Class? Class!? SHUDD-UP!!!!! Thank you.
The Slaver Exile portal thing is listed as a bug. So class lets go to the web: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php 19.You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com. If you broke rule 19 you should have some sort of action taken against you according to: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php Now class, I have a surprise for you! I'm going to read you some poems out of this lovely book of poetry. The sun kisses the morning skies. The birds kiss the butterflies. The dew kisses the morning grass. Class? Class!? Cla-- WAKE UP!!!!! |
Amy Awien
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Was this one?
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I asked Tullzinski where, if at all, the bug was listed prior to it being mentioned in the update notes of the update that fixed it. I asked him this because he claims that this bug was listed.
Reformed
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What does that have to do with it?
I asked Tullzinski where, if at all, the bug was listed prior to it being mentioned in the update notes of the update that fixed it. I asked him this because he claims that this bug was listed. |
Amy Awien
If it's not listed as bug it should not be treated as if it were. Portal jumping is a known, and accepted, bug/glitch and if he felt there was ground to consider it, in this case, as granting the user unnatural or unintended benefits he ought to discuss that view.
So, what would be those benefits in this case?
So, what would be those benefits in this case?
coil
yall realize how silly this argument is right?
without killing the pre-bosses, you can only get to the door using portal jumping. therefore portal jumping is giving you an unintended benefit. therefore portal jumping is a bug. but portal jumping is accepted as acceptable common practice.
let's try another with a simpler idea:
without clicking fast, you can only use one tonic per zone. therefore clicking fast gives you an unintended benefit. therefore clicking fast is a bug. but clicking is accepted as acceptable common practice.
with all these people calling for bans and worrying about other players, it's making me rethink why i play this game. if the community is going to be this prick-ish...that doesn't bode well for gw's future.
if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at anet for allowing stupid shit to exist. if you didnt get to have fun with duncan (like i didn't) don't take your frustration out on the people who had time.
without killing the pre-bosses, you can only get to the door using portal jumping. therefore portal jumping is giving you an unintended benefit. therefore portal jumping is a bug. but portal jumping is accepted as acceptable common practice.
let's try another with a simpler idea:
without clicking fast, you can only use one tonic per zone. therefore clicking fast gives you an unintended benefit. therefore clicking fast is a bug. but clicking is accepted as acceptable common practice.
with all these people calling for bans and worrying about other players, it's making me rethink why i play this game. if the community is going to be this prick-ish...that doesn't bode well for gw's future.
if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at anet for allowing stupid shit to exist. if you didnt get to have fun with duncan (like i didn't) don't take your frustration out on the people who had time.
Tullzinski
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Really? Where, I mean, where was it listed as bug before the update?
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http://www.guildwars.com/support/gam...es/default.php
So what if it is not BEFORE the 11 March update.
I agree with Reformed posts above.
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If it's not listed as bug it should not be treated as if it were. Portal jumping is a known, and accepted, bug/glitch and if he felt there was ground to consider it, in this case, as granting the user unnatural or unintended benefits he ought to discuss that view.
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Thanks bil
enter_the_zone
Seriously, to all the people saying "it wasn't a bug" regarding Slaver's... just....really?
You honestly think it was intended to work like that, so you could run slavers in 4 minutes... genuinely? Because, if you do, well...there is no hope for you. Find a tall building and exploit the flying glitch in RL..
Portal jumping is other areas is no defense, because it's doesn't " grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits".
Don't get me wrong, I don't care either way about these people being banned, it's hardly going to screw up the economy at this point. But they can't justifiably argue that they didn't know it was wrong, because it blatantly was and to say otherwise makes them morally bankrupt retarded idiots. But, if you're one of them, don't worry... you are not alone. About 95% of the human race is right there with you...
You honestly think it was intended to work like that, so you could run slavers in 4 minutes... genuinely? Because, if you do, well...there is no hope for you. Find a tall building and exploit the flying glitch in RL..
Portal jumping is other areas is no defense, because it's doesn't " grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits".
Don't get me wrong, I don't care either way about these people being banned, it's hardly going to screw up the economy at this point. But they can't justifiably argue that they didn't know it was wrong, because it blatantly was and to say otherwise makes them morally bankrupt retarded idiots. But, if you're one of them, don't worry... you are not alone. About 95% of the human race is right there with you...
impulsion
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with all these people calling for bans and worrying about other players, it's making me rethink why i play this game. if the community is going to be this prick-ish...that doesn't bode well for gw's future.
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Also, James got banned for this so stop QQ well done.
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You honestly think it was intended to work like that, so you could run slavers in 4 minutes...
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BTW, the portal jumping works in MANY areas and not just restricted to portal. You can jump through walls too.
So, if you have HoS equip, Viper Defense equip, Recall equip, Ebon Escape, etc...you should be banned just for equipping that skill because that skill is buggy.
BAN HAMMER!!! *BAMM!
LOL!!!
Amy Awien
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So what if it is not BEFORE the 11 March update.
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They were questions, intended to add to the discussion. I am curious why you're so agitated by them, do you not visit this forum to discuss issues about Guild Wars?
enter_the_zone
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Good that you admit that it wasn't listed anywhere. If an action is not listed as bug it can not be automatically considered to be obvious as bug. If it is not obviously a bug it is reasonable to expect some form of argumentation to establish why it is or why it is obvious in your opinion. Furthermore I asked what benefits you think can be obtained by it.
They were questions, intended to add to the discussion. I am curious why you're so agitated by them, do you not visit this forum to discuss issues about Guild Wars? |
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Who says it takes 4min to run Duncan today? It's 5min!!!
BTW, the portal jumping works in MANY areas and not just restricted to portal. You can jump through walls too. So, if you have HoS equip, Viper Defense equip, Recall equip, Ebon Escape, etc...you should be banned just for equipping that skill because that skill is buggy. BAN HAMMER!!! *BAMM! LOL!!! |
T-Strudel
The only WTF moment for me was the changing of the Boulder Elementals/Hulking Stone Elementals in HM and NM.
The official wikki has removed the note, but the elementals did NOT use hammers at all, which made Dwarven Battle stance kinda pointless on them.
Adding Crude Swing without any clarification of these guys now actually wield hammers is a dumb move, hell I've been farming them for granite stacks since Eotn came out, there has been zero change to the run.
The official wikki has removed the note, but the elementals did NOT use hammers at all, which made Dwarven Battle stance kinda pointless on them.
Adding Crude Swing without any clarification of these guys now actually wield hammers is a dumb move, hell I've been farming them for granite stacks since Eotn came out, there has been zero change to the run.
Amy Awien
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If a dungeon door is closed, and there is a mechanic to open it, it's pretty safe to conclude that anything which allows you to bypass the opening mechanic is a bug, don't you think?
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Shadowstepping through walls and closed doors should not happen (according to the wiki must be able to walk to), so that qualifies as a bug, all by itself.
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Good that you admit that it wasn't listed anywhere. If an action is not listed as bug it can not be automatically considered to be obvious as bug. If it is not obviously a bug it is reasonable to expect some form of argumentation to establish why it is or why it is obvious in your opinion. Furthermore I asked what benefits you think can be obtained by it.
They were questions, intended to add to the discussion. I am curious why you're so agitated by them, do you not visit this forum to discuss issues about Guild Wars? |
The fact that you want to discuss something I never said has me agitated. On top of that I knew that this type of answer was coming and is downright silly. ANET listed it as a bug therefore it is a bug, game over. Talk to ANET about when a bug is not a bug. My opinion never came into it. Where is Carlos Mencia when I need him?
Let us revisit Reformed comments again:
It wasn't listed as a bug prior the update because of it's nature. Portal jumping =/= Duncan bug, one was used to facilitate the other but portal jumping in and of itself does not "grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits" unless you consider 0.1% cartographer a benefit? I posted the dupe exploit update because it was handled the exact same way. There was no notification that it was a bug beforehand, it would have been incredibly stupid to do so, but the people who used it certainly knew what they were doing.
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Still waiting on this accepted portal jumping stuff...
Who are you referring to when you state that:
Portal jumping is a known, and accepted
Accepted by whom???
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Who are you referring to when you state that:
Portal jumping is a known, and accepted Accepted by whom??? |
Hmmm...maybe someone need to copy the pages from the unofficial site and post it onto the official site.
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Hmmm...maybe someone need to copy the pages from the unofficial site and post it onto the official site.
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Davros Uitar
It really amazes me that there are people that think decisions should never have consequences. The "I can't tell right from wrong so I should always be let off" crew need to man up. Anet had a problem with people sidestepping bosses to kill Mallyx. They fixed it. They had an earlier problem with people side stepping killing the 4 bosses with Duncan. They fixed that as well. What part of the human psyche fails to see that this new exploit that evaded killing 4 bosses would have consequences? Greed and to a smaller extent the challenge of epeen (ie knowing you can do a thing even when logic tells you it is not a thing you ought to be doing).
It is unlikely that a lot (enough) banhammers will get dropped in my view, but that is Anet's call. The QQers that defend the guilty are defending the indefensible. Logic won't sway them from their chosen position.
It is unlikely that a lot (enough) banhammers will get dropped in my view, but that is Anet's call. The QQers that defend the guilty are defending the indefensible. Logic won't sway them from their chosen position.
Gill Halendt
Ignorantia juris non excusat.
Are people SO dumb they can't tell such a thing it's a bug by themselves?
Are people SO dumb they can't tell such a thing it's a bug by themselves?
Amy Awien
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I never stated it was listed anywhere else EVER.
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The update notes came after they fixed the bug, so it's rather pointless to refer to them as the place where the bug was listed in relation to the eula, one couldn't have read something that wasn't written yet.
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I asked you, and I ask again, where do you draw the line? You are the one who was lecturing, now tell your class.
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Are people SO dumb they can't tell such a thing it's a bug by themselves?
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You're not talking about what is a bug or not, but about what may or may not be considered abuse.
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Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ]
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MagmaRed
This thread makes me lose hope for humanity. Stupidity should exist, it allows us to laugh and learn. However, stupidity should not exist in such a grand scale.
Thank you Anet for fixing things. I hope more monster bars get looked into. I still laugh at Divert Hexes being on a boss only accessible through Wurms and can't be hexed.
Thank you Anet for fixing things. I hope more monster bars get looked into. I still laugh at Divert Hexes being on a boss only accessible through Wurms and can't be hexed.
Morphy
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This thread makes me lose hope for humanity. Stupidity should exist, it allows us to laugh and learn. However, stupidity should not exist in such a grand scale.
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chessyang
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Then you should leave this forum, to be honest.
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Morphy
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or know there a RL out side of guru fourms (or the internetz)
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JimmyNeutron
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QFT.
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Just don't sell the Deld Armor Remnants for 10-15K. Waste in my opinion since con cost is about 8K+any personal cons use.
impulsion
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How long was his banned? If one week or less for over 100 Duncan runs, no big deal since he made a fortune from farming Duncan.
Just don't sell the Deld Armor Remnants for 10-15K. Waste in my opinion since con cost is about 8K+any personal cons use. |
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Perma-ban, and by fortune you mean like 15-20 runs...
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Back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure w/ Butter
UPDATE
Ban Hammer rolling out slowly. 3 people I know just got banned today along with one of my friend confirmed through cell phone and my friend didn't even do Duncan. He was using portal jumping for cart title. Guess if you use it for cart, its a perma ban also.
Oh well, look at the bright side...less lag due to less people
AngelWJedi
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Ouch and my email from ANET was an early April fool joke too. Guess they really did banned people.
Back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure w/ Butter UPDATE Ban Hammer rolling out slowly. 3 people I know just got banned today along with one of my friend confirmed through cell phone and my friend didn't even do Duncan. He was using portal jumping for cart title. Guess if you use it for cart, its a perma ban also. Oh well, look at the bright side...less lag due to less people |
Reformed
You can trace back portal jumping's roots to sometime in 2007 with the original portal jump using Death's Charge on the aggroed shrine merchant outside Eredon Terrace. I would say it's a pretty safe bet most if not everyone who has ever worked on Canthan Cartographer since has done this...the ban list would be epic. That's why I don't believe for a minute harmless carto-jumps are going to land you a permaban.
MisterB
I have a feeling that bans, if they occur, will look at which portals were jumped, and/or the frequency of portal jumps. In other words, I don't believe the cartography only story.
esthetic
LOL! Stopped playing over a year ago just like to stop in and read the funny crap.
GW and it seems ANet is full of tattle tales, hall monitors, Mall cops and fansite mods ha ha ha! wow glad i got out of this game.
Banning people for using tele to get to a boss? I can see fixing it but banning them? reallY?
GW and it seems ANet is full of tattle tales, hall monitors, Mall cops and fansite mods ha ha ha! wow glad i got out of this game.
Banning people for using tele to get to a boss? I can see fixing it but banning them? reallY?
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Banning people for using tele to get to a boss? I can see fixing it but banning them? reallY?
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Uh, yeah. Really. Are you surprised people got banned for duping? Or, a more appropriate exploit: the glitch that let people teleport to the secret dev outpost and farm Mallyx over and over repeatedly? That's pretty much the same thing, actually: a boss exists, you're supposed to have to complete 4 tasks before facing said boss, and after you kill him you're supposed to do them again in order to be able to kill him again. Finding a glitch does not give you the right to exploit it until they fix it, period. It's not like this exact same conversation hasn't played out many times before in GW's history, so it's not like these people can play the ignorance card; they knew what they were supposed to do to get to the boss, and they purposefully found and exploited a way around the requirement, over and over again.
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Axel Zinfandel
This is depressing. So instead of fixing it they ban people for exploiting it?
Ok, so yes, technically it's within their right to ban people, but just like... I donno say Cash for Gold things are within their right too. Just because it's within their right doesn't make them any less of dicks for doing it. Personally, They should point that finger right back at themselves, because they're the one who created the bug in the first place.
People are not wrong for doing something that the game itself allows, even if it's an exploit. I mean, If I were bold and stupid enough to stretch the facts, technically SF was a game breaking exploit using skills that made you near invincible, therefor everyone who used it should be banned. I mean, to your average player, the instances aren't that much different. SF is a skill combination that lets you avoid most damage, and this is a skill combination that just so happens to get you past stuff you normally can't get past. No one is actually going to sit there and think "Well I don't know if the devs meant for this to happen so I probably shouldn't." Just like no one sits there with SF and thinks that. It's a double standard, with the only thing separating them being "intentions"
I realize it's in their codes of conduct or something, but that still doesn't make it right. It's their mistake, so it should be on them. It's a pretty weird thing for the players themselves to have to decipher. Now if Anet came out and said "Doing this will get you banned", then I could see. "exploiting the game" is a pretty general term.
GW is dieing as it is, and banning a bunchload of people for "exploiting" the game certainly isn't going to help the player base
Ok, so yes, technically it's within their right to ban people, but just like... I donno say Cash for Gold things are within their right too. Just because it's within their right doesn't make them any less of dicks for doing it. Personally, They should point that finger right back at themselves, because they're the one who created the bug in the first place.
People are not wrong for doing something that the game itself allows, even if it's an exploit. I mean, If I were bold and stupid enough to stretch the facts, technically SF was a game breaking exploit using skills that made you near invincible, therefor everyone who used it should be banned. I mean, to your average player, the instances aren't that much different. SF is a skill combination that lets you avoid most damage, and this is a skill combination that just so happens to get you past stuff you normally can't get past. No one is actually going to sit there and think "Well I don't know if the devs meant for this to happen so I probably shouldn't." Just like no one sits there with SF and thinks that. It's a double standard, with the only thing separating them being "intentions"
I realize it's in their codes of conduct or something, but that still doesn't make it right. It's their mistake, so it should be on them. It's a pretty weird thing for the players themselves to have to decipher. Now if Anet came out and said "Doing this will get you banned", then I could see. "exploiting the game" is a pretty general term.
GW is dieing as it is, and banning a bunchload of people for "exploiting" the game certainly isn't going to help the player base
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Please explain the difference between this exploit and the original method players used to bypass the 4 bosses to fight Duncan over and over for months. Right, they used a game mechanic to bypass a barrier, but tons of people farmed Slaver's chests before, and they were not banned.
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EotN was released on 8/31/07 while the quest was patched 9/17/07, not months. That bug was so obvious to anyone far enough for Slavers the ban list would be massive.
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It wasn't the same mechanic at all. You didn't even have to deliberately go in with a runner, just have someone in the group on a courtesy section repeat to fill a slot and...wait...why is this door open?
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It's pretty obvious that bypassing the door with this method is an exploit to me, but I am somewhat puzzled that it's being handled more harshly this time. It's ANet's call, of course.
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Please explain the difference between this exploit and the original method players used to bypass the 4 bosses to fight Duncan over and over for months. Right, they used a game mechanic to bypass a barrier, but tons of people farmed Slaver's chests before, and they were not banned.
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Few pages ago, someone wrote something like this:
"User may not abuse or spread informations about any bugs or exploits in-game or out of it. Report such problems using support tickets".
Abusing a bug? Check. Spreading information about the bug? Check. NOT reporting it? Check.