Player Base Immaturity Issues

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

Wow, large collection of jerks to post in any single thread in a long time

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa View Post
stop ...
Ploink

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Originally Posted by Still Number One View Post
Not to justify the people ...
And you proceed to justify their abuse. Ploink

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05 View Post
Hello, Zerlina Ville.
And you must be the topjerk on this forum. Ploink.

Enon

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

Did it ever occur to you that it might be wise to get familiar with the game before you start to get into PvP? Because the fact is you lack very basic Guild Wars knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Zerlina Ville View Post
I guess its the fact that the game is free, so all the leet kids are playing it, I dont know, but I dont like it.
Guess what? They don't like it either as they won't get any points, because someone decided to dive into PvP while lacking the obvious basic knowledge. Perhaps the problem isn't them. Perhaps it's you and your indifference to understand the game before entering PvP.

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien View Post
And you must be the topjerk on this forum. Ploink.
How dare touch JonnieBoi05 like that? *slap*

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

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Originally Posted by Mireles View Post
--Said by a person that has already given up on the community by using bots.....


http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=16
Wow... This was beautifully said. Mireless my hero. <3


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Originally Posted by Enon View Post
How dare touch JonnieBoi05 like that? *slap*
Meloveyoulongtime5dolla'





On-topic:

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Originally Posted by Enon View Post
Did it ever occur to you that it might be wise to get familiar with the game before you start to get into PvP? Because the fact is you lack very basic Guild Wars knowledge.


Guess what? They don't like it either as they won't get any points, because someone decided to dive into PvP while lacking the obvious basic knowledge. Perhaps the problem isn't them. Perhaps it's you and your indifference to understand the game before entering PvP.
What Enon said is extremely true. You should better learn yourself with Guild Wars first before diving right into mid-level PvP. It may sound harsh but it's very true. People PvP in GW to win. If they have a "PvE scrub" on their team they will consider them trash and a waste of their time. That's just how people in GW (on the internet) are.


Sorry to dissapoint. :<

Tenebrae

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
Well the game is five years old so most people know all the ins and outs of skills and builds. If somebody goes into PvP on the first day they get the game they won't be any good at all obviously. If that new guy goes into a random team format, other team members probably won't appreciate somebody who doesn't understand anything about the game.
Thats something that could always happen , the diff is the attitude. You can say "soz , just rank 3+ this time" or whatever instead of adding a newbie into your party KNOWING its a newbie and them call him 2348950 names when he fails to do something or your party loses.

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
You'll get better as you play more, but expect more of the same behaviour until you have a satisfactory skill level.
Thats the problem , calling newbies names dont help at all and that behavior is not needed at all ...... is not like you lose real money lol. Some ppl dont have manners and sorry to say that but ... most of them are PvP players. There was a time when half of them cared to explain and give some advices but now game is dying it seems that they are almost gone and all that is left are rank elitist jerks , sht happens.

snikerz

snikerz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rt/A

Hi Zerlina Ville

best advice is to follow the meta, there will be less chance of abuse thrown your way.
metas are usually builds that are overpowered, or highly effective, eventually they get nerfed.

PM if you would like further advice on the mechanics of RA.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/PvXwiki:Meta

godis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

LOVE

N/Me

Where do you find the time to read the chatlog during PvP ?

Zehnchu

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05 View Post
consider them trash and a waste of their time. That's just how people in GW (on the internet) are.
No it's called poor sportsmanship its from bad couches and parents not teaching their kids how to act in sports (win/lose/bad players/ect.). Then when they grow up they become full fledged assclowns and show others how to be just as dysfunctional furthering in continuing decent to drop social ability of the human race back to mer ape like thinking.

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Originally Posted by Enon View Post
How dare touch JonnieBoi05 like that? *slap*
wow you went from the tip or your nose to full body brown.


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Originally Posted by godis View Post
Where do you find the time to read the chatlog during PvP ?
When you are dead.

Zerlina Ville

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

A/W

I've made 2 long reply posts quoting several people, but apparently they have to be moderated before they show, so that may take a while, but Im not gonna bother to write it all again, so some replies will suddenly show up I guess.

Edit: You know another thing that strikes me odd is that there is never anything positive in the chat. The one time I won 7 RAs in a row (which is described in one of my quote posts) no one said anything except me being overly enthusiastic and praising it. There is only anything verbal when something bad happens, which is kinda strange. Other then that there is the gg, but I wouldnt actually call that communicating.

Kenzo Skunk

Kenzo Skunk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

Just switch off "team" channel.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Tresa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK/USA/GH

Psycho Titans

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerlina Ville View Post
I bought the game yesterday (PvP Kit) looking for some nice PvP.
What I encountered was that in pretty much all my fights I entered there was some jackass calling me a noob, shouting out wtf?! idiot, retard etc...

Yes I am a noob, I bougth the freekin' game yesterday, what does he expect. Its not like he lost alot of his life to the fight which lasted for 1 min. Seriously, that kind of attitude is really putting me off from this game, its not nice playing a game trying to have a good time while half the people you meet call you a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retard.

I have never in my whole life as a gamer met a more unfriendly and immature community, it shocks me. I guess its the fact that the game is free, so all the leet kids are playing it, I dont know, but I dont like it.
ZV, I've been playing 5 years, and I still know just what you mean.

The sad fact is the miserable ones too often drive away the friendly players, so I hope you'll stick it out. You'll eventually encounter the like-minded folks.

Zerlina Ville

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

A/W

Oh I have no plans on leaving GW yet, I find it a fun and enjoyable game. Sadly the community seems a little sour. But thanks to all who posted in this thread and sent me PMs, you give me hope that there is friendly players out there. And hopefully a good PvP community to get to once I get out of RA and into organized fights.

Tresa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK/USA/GH

Psycho Titans

N/

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Originally Posted by upier View Post
It might actually be wise for the community to sometimes listen to what people are saying. Especially when it comes to a game mode the depends on other people to play with and against.

People here are justifying bad behaviour at the expense of potentially losing a player.
Let that sink in.
You've nailed it, upier. Many of us have been playing for years, and we don't have an objective view of what it's like for an "outsider" just coming in.

We whine that the player base is dwindling, but then alienate people trying to join it.

This idea that we can't effect change in the community is a bit sad to me. Of course we can. We can stop accepting bad behaviour as the status quo, and refuse to participate in it. We can stop vilifying those who want a friendlier community.

isildorbiafra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Netherlands

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Originally Posted by Tresa View Post
You've nailed it, upier. Many of us have been playing for years, and we don't have an objective view of what it's like for an "outsider" just coming in.

We whine that the player base is dwindling, but then alienate people trying to join it.

This idea that we can't effect change in the community is a bit sad to me. Of course we can. We can stop accepting bad behaviour as the status quo, and refuse to participate in it. We can stop vilifying those who want a friendlier community.
Quoted for truth.
That being said however you might want to read up on builds and mechanics before subjecting your "team" to your unexperience. But keep trying by all means. Like the saying goes: "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." or you could just wish they get cancer and die.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien View Post
And you proceed to justify their abuse. Ploink
Not really. I explained why comparing GW and an FPS is an unfair comparison. The worst person in an FPS is by no means as harmful to a team's chance to win as the worst player in GW. It doesn't justify the abuse, but it does justify them being upset.

Everyone has a different view of what is fun. While just playing, win or lose, may be fun for some, it isn't fun for all. Most people do not like going into RA time after time losing because you got a bad team, a person with a bad build, or a person who just frankly has no idea what they are doing. Having it happen a few times is something most people can look past. But after a certain point, it becomes very frustrating to deal with.

Yelling at others and just being a jerk isn't going to solve anything so there really isn't a point in doing it, but it is understandable why the person is upset.

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

As you've said,you've just joined. You haven't experienced the majority of the playerbase. You should go into PvP of ANY game with a rough idea of tactics,that's browsing the forums for tips/guides whatever. Hell even explain to them you're a noob and ask for advice.


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Originally Posted by Still Number One View Post
Not really. I explained why comparing GW and an FPS is an unfair comparison. The worst person in an FPS is by no means as harmful to a team's chance to win as the worst player in GW. It doesn't justify the abuse, but it does justify them being upset.

Everyone has a different view of what is fun. While just playing, win or lose, may be fun for some, it isn't fun for all. Most people do not like going into RA time after time losing because you got a bad team, a person with a bad build, or a person who just frankly has no idea what they are doing. Having it happen a few times is something most people can look past. But after a certain point, it becomes very frustrating to deal with.

Yelling at others and just being a jerk isn't going to solve anything so there really isn't a point in doing it, but it is understandable why the person is upset.
This. Look at it from their perspective,a lot of us have spent 4 years getting to know the game liek the back of our hands so when someone comes and mucks it up,especially at competitive level, we get maed.

Olim Chill

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu View Post
No it's called poor sportsmanship its from bad couches and parents not teaching their kids how to act in sports (win/lose/bad players/ect.). Then when they grow up they become full fledged assclowns and show others how to be just as dysfunctional furthering in continuing decent to drop social ability of the human race back to mer ape like thinking.
That's pretty much spot-on.

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bad couches
Yeah, perhaps if they had better couches, bad coaches would just stay on them.

Neo Atomisk

Neo Atomisk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

State College, Pennsylvania, United States

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

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hey op welcome to the internet!

Mouse at Large

Mouse at Large

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Scotland

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

I hesitate to suggest it, but try JQ/FA as well before trying to jump into high-end PvE

Kaleban

Kaleban

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Hot as hell Florida

[Wckd]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mireles View Post
--Said by a person that has already given up on the community by using bots.....


http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=16
If you're talking competitively, then it makes no sense to try to play fairly against cheaters.

The only way to beat a cheater is to cheat better. If ANet can't or won't do anything against botting (how long have their been gold farming bots throughout the game?) then its up to the playerbase to find solutions.

As PvE is not competitive (so gold bots don't adversely affect me), there's no need to cheat, and I've never botted. However, in PvP, if the field is not level, and the people that maintain said field do nothing, then there's really no point to play is there? So by ANet's inaction, they condone player botting, because the only choice to remain competitive is to bot as well or leave the game.

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

OP, as you can see with this post the same people (or similar) you see in RA are also here acting the same way. Listen to those who are constructive and ignore all the rest.

Kopa The Demon King

Kopa The Demon King

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2010

Forever Knights

D/

What you need is a WAMMO build and just troll your way through PvP ^ ^ People love that (and by love i mean they will rip you an asshole) AND YOU LAUGH! thats what you do >:O you laugh at them.

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

Kaleban leave that sh*t outta here lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by OP
But Im getting better, gonna read up on some assassin tacts, builds and stuff later aswell.
It's damn near impossible to fail as an Assassin if you'd just use a decent build. Don't make retarded mistakes like attacking the Necro who just put Insidious Parasite on you, try to combo through Blind, or stand rooted while some dude is beating you up, and you'll find yourself quite effective regardless of how horrid your execution skills are.

tl;dr Be a strong and brave ninja

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

yo

take a screenshot

email it to support

laugh out loud when they get banned (if they aren't special people that is)

Meridon

Meridon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Funny Business Inc [FBI]

I've played lots of FPS games before having bought Guild Wars, and I can conclude that the general way people treat each other in GW PvP is far worse than any other FPS i've played. The reason for that is quite simple. In any GW PvP format, except perhaps JQ, there are two consistent causes for this:
-In order to receive any kind of decent reward, players need to win the match. Making kills alone scores hardly any points.
-The outcome of a match depends heavily on the composition and skill level of the team as a whole.

In other words, if one of your teammates fails, you lose the game, and as such you don't get any good rewards, which means you get angry at your teammates for sucking.

Many other FPS games have communities that aren't examples of this kind of personality. This is often because rewards don't focus on the team having to win (but rather on individual points and kills), or because the skill and composition of the team isn't such a determining factor, because the teams are either simply too big for that, or small enough that good individual players can make a team win. In either situation, weak individual teammates aren't a big impact. The result is that many FPS communities are often far more laid-back and forgiving in comparison to GW PvP.

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo



Welcome to Guild Wars watch your step

I suggest starting with Fort Aspenwood when it comes to PVP if you can. Atleast I have noticed a little less god complex. And you can try any build you will like. Turn chat off and away you go. Good luck to you!

Cale Roughstar

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

People generally tend to project themselves onto others. When I play with people, I just assume that they have been playing as long as I have (4+ years) and though I know this is false, it is what I think until told otherwise. When the OP said he had been playing for one day, he was letting all of us know that, but seeing as there is no way of telling in game (short of typing it at the beginnings of matches), other people see someone who they automatically assume is a player with at least some experience. I know that if I saw someone who I KNEW to be a player of 4+ years, playing without a clue, I too would probably send some of the more colourful terms in my vocabulary in that player's direction.

That being said, I also think the OP needs to toughen up his/her skin a bit. Posting here after one day? I hesitate to think what the QQ will be like if/when they move on to HA or GvG.

The thing is, people are competative by nature. When launching into PvP, where the object is winning, and you win as a team, lose as a team. As the saying goes, a chain is as strong as it's weakest link. If someone were to join a moderately competative soccer team, not having any clue on how to be useful, then they would likely be harassed quite seriously. There are rec leagues and pick-up games for learning and laid-back play. Once you get competative, people get serious, about themselves and their teammates. GW, FPS, real life, its no different.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

dusanyu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Illusion of skillz [Iz]

W/E

Most of the PvP community is not like that just the Low end. like the rest of the people above me i agree with the sentiment of ignoring them.

Most of the "Noobs" probably came from the fact that (judging from the fact you got this game yesterday) you were using the Starter build for your PvP char. the Builds work but they are not optimum.

The link to PvX above is rather useful to find builds. but first you need to worry about unlocking skills and equipment. to do that you need to keep playing and exchanging your Balthazar that you earn form playing in PvP. with the Priest of Balthazar (you will find him an any PvP outpost) for for the above mentioned unlocks

Most importantly welcome to Guild Wars enjoy the game and don't let the annoying people in RA ruin the game for you.

Zerlina Ville

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar View Post
That being said, I also think the OP needs to toughen up his/her skin a bit. Posting here after one day? I hesitate to think what the QQ will be like if/when they move on to HA or GvG.
I cant say I really need to toughen my skin as alot of you people seem to think. I dont get offended by stupid comments in chat, I laugh at it and sometimes throw it back in their face. The whole point of this thread is that I was shocked at the magnitude of this behavior compared to other games. People say welcome to the internet, welcome to online gaming etc.. But it is not this bad in other games, I've played alot of games, I am a hardcore gamer, I am a veteran MMO player and FPS player. I've played computer games for over 15 years, the last 10 being online. And before that I played console games such as nintendo. In other games I've been in some of Europes best guilds. I am no noob gamer, and I have plenty experience from dealing with idiots on the internet.

Even though I am not as affected by all this idiotic behavior, which IMO you cant justify by saying its PvP, people are serious. RA fights take a couple of mins, who cares if you loose one? You can always just join another one. But I can see alot of other people being offended by this rude and unnecessary behavior. Long time PvErs trying out PvP, they get yelled at and simply just go back to PvE. New comers such as myself come and try PvP, get yelled at, either goes to PvE or simply quits. Behavior like this is actually part of the reason I never started to play WoW, and never will. I dont get offended, but I dont like it either.

I mean whats the point? Wheres the joy in calling someone names? Do you gain anything from doing so? Is it a self confidence boost? Do you in any way make the gaming experience better for either you or any others? Which it is all about! The gaming experience. If it was a bad match it was a bad match, nothing you can do about that, calling names wont help. The guy you're calling names prolly knows hes a noob, but we all gotta start out as noobs. Believe me I know the feeling of playing with noobs, the frustration, the anger(though for me it takes more then a 2 min long match to get angry and frustrated), but it still does not justify the behavior. Give constructive feedback, or ignore it, I usually do the former.

Zerlina Ville

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by dusanyu View Post
Most of the "Noobs" probably came from the fact that (judging from the fact you got this game yesterday) you were using the Starter build for your PvP char. the Builds work but they are not optimum.
I did use that yes, and I used the standard weapon and armor aswell, which was uber crap.

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The link to PvX above is rather useful to find builds. but first you need to worry about unlocking skills and equipment. to do that you need to keep playing and exchanging your Balthazar that you earn form playing in PvP. with the Priest of Balthazar (you will find him an any PvP outpost) for for the above mentioned unlocks
Buying the PvP Kit you get shit for free.
I got 13 in both critical strikes and dagger mastery iirc, may be 14 in dagger mastery, 580 HP and 29 Energy. I made an alternate build with 16 Dagger Mastery, 15 Critical Strikes, 425 HP and 29 Energy, but I found I was way to squishy with that build. Both those builds used +10 armor on 3 pieces, +15 while attacking on the 4th. Im using 1 weapon with +15% damage while target is above 50% HP and another weapon with +20% while below 50%, switching depending on HP, both having energy tap. And Im using this build: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/any_Seeping_Spiker I dont know if all that is optimal, but it seems to work pretty well for now.

Today I won over 50% of the RA matches, so it was a good day , a little less noobish. Though I still feel like a major noob, I dont know what other classes can do, I pay little to no attention to my enchantments and others hexes, these are things I can and will improve as I get more experience.

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerlina Ville View Post
...Is it a self confidence boost [to call other people names]?...
You would be amazed at how many people's e-peen gets stroked by the mere thought of trash talking others on the internet.




So to answer your question in short: yes.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerlina Ville View Post
I bought the game yesterday (PvP Kit) looking for some nice PvP.
What I encountered was that in pretty much all my fights I entered there was some jackass calling me a noob, shouting out wtf?! idiot, retard etc...

Yes I am a noob, I bougth the freekin' game yesterday, what does he expect. Its not like he lost alot of his life to the fight which lasted for 1 min. Seriously, that kind of attitude is really putting me off from this game, its not nice playing a game trying to have a good time while half the people you meet call you a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retard.

I have never in my whole life as a gamer met a more unfriendly and immature community, it shocks me. I guess its the fact that the game is free, so all the leet kids are playing it, I dont know, but I dont like it.


Sure is new to humanity in here.

It's not even specific to online gaming: this is how people are. Get used to it.

Zerlina Ville

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
Sure is new to humanity in here.

It's not even specific to online gaming: this is how people are. Get used to it.
I dont know how it is where you live, but it sure as hell isnt like that here.

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerlina Ville View Post
I dont know how it is where you live, but it sure as hell isnt like that here.
Gotta take the good with the bad. I sent you a PM. Would love to help you out in game if you require it.

QueenofDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopa The Demon King View Post
What you need is a WAMMO build and just troll your way through PvP ^ ^ People love that (and by love i mean they will rip you an asshole) AND YOU LAUGH! thats what you do >:O you laugh at them.
Oh gawd yes and there's 3 skills you MUST have and USE TOGETHER. MENDING, HEALING SIG and FRENZY. PLZ PLZ PLZ for the love of gods make a WAMMO and use those 3 skills. )

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

welcome here

I would say, try to learn the game mechanics
and get a few builds from pvxwiki, that way u can tell what is a good build what is not.

also, u know u r new theres a lot to learn
so dont feel embarrass to ask
"sry, im new, what did i do wrong?"
usually when they know u r new, they'll help u.
I asked that too, even in some pve team!!
or ask in guru here~

Lihinel

Lihinel

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerlina Ville View Post
RA fights take a couple of mins, who cares if you loose one? You can always just join another one.
Yeah, thing is, a single match means nothing to most RA players.
They are there to gain Gladiator Title points.

And in order to gain even a single point toward that title you have to win 5 consecutive matches.

Shadowhaze

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

One reason why a lot of people don't bother getting into pvp...the attitudes of others.

But I would suggest, as others have, to play more of the game a while before diving right into the pvp aspect of it. Gets you familiarized with how things work.

Risus

Risus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

56min UW HM post-2/25 I win

FDR

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