please kill the Dishonorable penalty already!

Originally Posted by Killed u man

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

I hate how you get dishonorable points for actually reporting leechers :P

The dishonorable system is a very broken one, but as people have said, it was probably worse before.

Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

You only get that if less than 1/3 of your team report the person, and I can understand. It is there so people dont abuse the leech reporting to get people barred from PvP, which I can see happening. I know it is hard on those who do the right thing and report, so maybe letting team mates know would be a good idea

Originally Posted by upier

RA doesn't belong in this game.

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

You must be some kind of douche or something that can't figure out how to play by the rules so you decide to whine about it instead.

Originally Posted by upier

GW is a team based game

Originally Posted by upier

A player is able to choose the roles that h/h should perform.
That means that h/h can satisfy the basic idea of team play in GW.

Originally Posted by upier

RA is a random format where one is not able to choose his party members.
GW is a team based game where characters are designed to not be able to do it all, and where certain classes are needed to fill specific roles.
The concept of RA isn't compatible with the basic idea of GW.

Originally Posted by Del

cool rationalization of an anti team feature being team oriented, but you fail to explain how the randomness of teams in RA makes it anti team play,

Originally Posted by upier

2. if you feel that a random selection of players does form a team, that means that regardless of how poor that selection is or how poor the players' skill level is, you should suck it up and fight till the end.

But you can not have both.
So - suck it up or stay out of it.

Originally Posted by upier

If RA is compatible with the idea of team play, then there is absolutely NO REASON whatsoever to leave a team that does not meet your expectation on what it's composition

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

PUGs are what should be removed due to their randomness, not heroes.

Besides, without heroes, the game would be dead long ago. Fact.

Originally Posted by Mokeiro

lol guys you are serious funny bussines, do you whine to the goverment too when your chosen lotto number doesn't match the RANDOM winners ones?

A suggestion, go back to basic school and ask your teacher what the hell RANDOM mean, when you understand the meaning of RANDOM, go back and try to figure what "RANDOM ARENA" mean.

Do you remember the internet meme...

Longcat is looooooooong

Then remember this new meme...

Random Arena is Raaaaandooooom

So if you don't like random, don't play it, but don't try to justify leaving your party and spoil the fun of more intelligent player who understand the meaning of random and choose to play that format.

All the penalty you can get is not enough for you, leavers.

Originally Posted by Regulus X

If you think you're going to beat that team then I declare you officially retarded.

Originally Posted by upier

By pressing the Enter-button in RA you agree to participate in a match or suffer the consequences for failing to do so.
If you can not deal with the randomness of a random format - then you need to ask yourself what you are doing there in the first place.

Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

when you see crummy team, put on your Vampiric sword and your -50 Grim Cesta, take off your armor, and put on you armor that has all SUP Runes

This will drop your health to 55. You should be dead WELL before the the gate opens!!!

Originally Posted by Killed u man

To those who base their cons on the arguement that when you enter RA, you should expect a "random team", do you also believe that Heroes Ascent should no longer provide henchies, or the ability to team up with other people, but rather be an observe-only format where you can let your 8 heroes fight against someone else's 8 heroes?

Wow like why call it random if it isn't random dude are you dumb? There was this called Ta ( Team Arena's) but it got deleted. If you don't want to join a Random team then don't play RANDOM arena. Go do codex arena or something. The fact that there are hencman/heroes in HA (even if it is limited to 2) is a big mistake cus it goes directly against the Player vs Player concept. And your argument of 8 heroes vs 8 heroes is just plain stupid and not even discusable.

I really don't care wether or not the set-up from RA gets changed, or the format itself (To atleast supply one NPC healer in every map), because I barely play any RA, but if you can't see how misplaced the dishonorable is, you clearly lack an intelligence level high enough to feel the emotion called annoyance.

First if you don'care don't make stupid arguments. Second the dishonerd system was mend against people lack the intelligence of the fact that a non-healer team has a high oppertunity of winning against a team with no monk simply cus a lot of monks can't heal against the extra dmg, and some people that use there brain take atleast 1 self heal skill and/or defence skill. The fact you only think you can win with a monk on your team shows you lack of intelligence and know-how of Random Arena and teamplay. Also there is a map with a priest and a map with deadmatch it's all random and maybe thats why it's in RANDOM arena

I really liked RA as a quick set-up speed PvP playstyle. I like the random builds people run, and I don't even mind PvE'ers running W/N minion masters. What I do mind is when I play Warrior and go in 20 times, I NEVER seem to get a Monk. Not only am I forced to sit there, KNOWING I'll have to leave at the end of the match anyways, I also have nearly no chance of amusing myself during that time, because I have no support to keep me clean.

Read my coment above and your questio will be answerd. You simply lack the intteligence and know-how to play Random Arena and teamplay

I can rewrite that story for just about every bar out there. At the end of the day, random arenas IS random, it's supposed to be, I know. But Random Arenas and Get-Lucky-Enough-Till-You-Finally-Get-A-Monk Arenas are 2 different things.

Read above again!

And to then punish people who are tired of sitting there with empathy on them, incapable of doing anything (And thus litteraly being bored playing a game) is completely ridiculing your own game.

Only dumb people think you should not attack with empathy on you. The simple fact that EVERY proffesion has healing skills and almost every bar has enough attributes for that healing skills simply means you can attack while having empathy and heal your self onece in a while. Maybe if you attack the foe using empathy wich is most likely a mesmer and has low armor you are capable enough to kill him/her before empathy kills you. Or try interupt it if your proffesion allows it, cus any proffesion thats get "highly" effected by empathy has interupt skills. You should get some more knowlage about the skills you can use in this game before making stupid comments like this. Only stupid people think doing nothing is is better then atleast taking half a foes health bar down before dieying of empathy is better. empathy is not an instant kill if you attack once!!

What exactly was wrong with leaving untill you had a Monk in your team? Surely it beats the living shit out of being forced to do nothing for 5+ minutes, only to take the same gamble afterwards.

Please read above your to obsessed to have a monk and like the sounds of it probally the annoying player that will try you entire team to resign and when the countdown starts find out your oppenent has no monk either or was not in any sort of advantage? And yes it is a gamble. If you don't like it then don't do it anddon't come back there is more to do in the game. And if you care so much about time spend in a game you probally don't have the time to spend on a game and should take a look at yourself.

I gues my point merely is:

WHY does dishonorable exist in RA? It's only there to cause grief, forcing people to wait 5+ minutes instead of 30 seconds.

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Dishonorable is the only thing preventing me from playing RA more than 5 minutes each day.

People posting in this thread need to understand a couple of things before they post, though:

1) Playing without a Monk (Or healer in general, some rits do fairly well) IS pointless. Just because you CAN get 25 cons, or 5 cons for that matter, doesn't mean you should.

2) Playing WITH a monk gives you a major advantage over teams without a Monk. I would almost go as far as saying teams with a Monk have a 99% chance of winning against non-Monk (Or again healer in general) teams, given that the Monk has got a basic clue what he's doing OR the non-Monk team has an incredibly lucky team set-up. (VoR for shutdown and then 3 straightforward damage dealers who know what they're doing for example)

The chances of getting 25 consecutives (Which is the ultimate goal in "PvP", to win as much as you can) are next to non-existent. The fact people say: "I've once gotten 25 cons without a Monk" pretty much explain how rare of an occasion it is. Just because you can get 25 cons without a Monk once every 100 runs doesn't mean it's a feasable way of playing.

Which concludes me to my last point:

3) Refusing to resign without a Monk is forcing your teammates to play a game in which the chance of winning (getting consecutives) is below any value worth playing, and thus can be concidered griefing.

Dishonorable is a retarded system that so far, has only backfired. I try to run frontline, but I get shutdown 24/7 due to lack of a healer, so I simply /resign and stop playing from there on. My teammates reported me for leeching, and I got dishonorable.

I play healer and I get matched up with 2 other Monks. I kindly ask them to resign, and when I saw the enemy team had 1 Monk aswell, I refused to play any further, sat down and resigned. They reported me for leeching, because I didn't feel like bashing some buttons for 5 minutes only to draw in the end.


Dishonorable is something that works in AB, where people can easily leech it, and where people were leeching it.

In doesn't belong in RA however, where it is rather the game design that flaws, than the people. Believe me when I say: I don't want to give up 9/10 matches due to not getting matched up with a Monk, or getting matched up with too many Monks, but I have to. Since only 1 map provides a NPC healer, which only has a shitty heal for that matter, you simply have no other alternative than to resign.

Dishonorable doesn't fix the problem, it punishes people trying to fix the problem. It was a dumb idea, one of the many in GW, that failed to do what it was supposed to do (atleast in RA), and only annoyed the people who took the format the least bit serious. (And by that I mean simply trying to win)

Originally Posted by Skyy High

The problem with this sentiment is that you're assuming everyone is playing RA to win, or at least, that if not getting massive amounts of consecutive victories in a row then you're wasting your time. The key thing you're missing: lots of people don't play RA to get consecutive wins, or at least not just for that. They play it because it's lulzy PvP, where you can try out random s*** that wouldn't fly in other arenas for whatever reason, but might be fun to spring on unsuspecting random opponents. Leavers (or people who go "OMG NO MONK RESIGN") kill that aspect of the arena, which is why dishonor was added in the first place: leavers were making the arena absolutely unplayable for anyone who wasn't there to hardcore grind consecutives.

If you want to grind a PvP title, either do it somewhere where there's some semblance of skill required, or accept that not everyone is in RA for the same reasons that you are. That's all there is to say.

Originally Posted by Killed u man

But Random Arenas and Get-Lucky-Enough-Till-You-Finally-Get-A-Monk Arenas are 2 different things.

Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

Well then all you Q.Q about RA not fitting in GuildWars and opposing the Random in it.....

IN YOUR FACE. You should have played TA. It would never have been removed if it was active enough. But now TA is goin your all going to Q.Q. So if you don't like RA or any of it setting then gtfo and let the people that want to play it do so.

Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

24.While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

You sir GTFO

Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

Originally Posted by Regulus X

YOU SIR! Sound like a total an utter mending/breeze-spamming, random-baed-skills-carrying, healing-signet/frenzy-activating, resign-denying, report-function-abusing, mind-blinded, common-sense-lacking malicious little emo troll child who fails at the game!

If you play to "play", then /uninstall, go play "Tetris", and quit tormenting players greater than you in and of Random Arenas.