Vanquishing Talmark Wilderness

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

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With the update early this morning, players are unable to vanquish Talmark Wilderness.

We are aware of the bug, and it will be corrected on Monday.

Apologies to those eager to vanquish this weekend.

Thank you.

Zodiac Meteor

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

Thanks Regina, we can always on you!

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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It'd be epic to get together a group of people who test out updates...So that obvious errors don't happen...

scratch that I'm copyrighting this idea...

Sir Baddock

Sir Baddock

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Endemic Warfare

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor View Post
Thanks Regina, we can always on you!
Fail :P.

Shucks now I can't vanquish that place, even though I don't know where it is, or plan on Vanquishing it for that matter :P. Fun little scavenger hunt today though

CE Devilman

CE Devilman

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Do U Trust Anet

N/Mo

big bug...

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

I don't see a bug in that screenshot tbh, am I missing something obvious?

worstnameevar

worstnameevar

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2008

Between Earth and Sky

The Thuggee[lain]

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I believe there are suppose to be structures of some sort in that village... not sure.

Jedi Battousai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

[HEAT]

Mo/

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
I don't see a bug in that screenshot tbh, am I missing something obvious?
Top left corner = no Red Helmet and enemy counter? Although no telling this isn't in normal mode.

Gondrakif

Gondrakif

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

GMT +2

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Originally Posted by Jedi Battousai View Post
Top left corner = no Red Helmet and enemy counter? Although no telling this isn't in normal mode.
It is normal mode (check out henchmen levels)

Zehnchu

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

lol......funny I like it...

She was hinting at the Shining Blade Camp I believe

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

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Originally Posted by Sir Baddock View Post
Fail :P.

Shucks now I can't vanquish that place, even though I don't know where it is, or plan on Vanquishing it for that matter :P. Fun little scavenger hunt today though
Was kind of thinking the same thing myself.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Originally Posted by End View Post
It'd be epic to get together a group of people who test out updates...So that obvious errors don't happen...

scratch that I'm copyrighting this idea...
I know right, and said group of people should have to vanquish every single zone, kill every single monster, and complete every single quest, just in case there is a bug. Amirite?

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

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Originally Posted by jiggles View Post
I know right, and said group of people should have to vanquish every single zone, kill every single monster, and complete every single quest, just in case there is a bug. Amirite?
Yeah, if they're introducing a new game...if they're doing a major change to an area I will be content with them just going over that area with a fine toothed comb tyvm or at least...idk checking the little box that says hm before going there....just a thought...
They don't even have to kill shit to see it...just walk in, in hard mode and you'll see it...not that difficult...
Don't get the wrong impression...I love the game...I am iffy about anet...
But when you release an update usually you want to make sure obvious issues aren't there...
I would sex up every anet staff member if they did skill balances more often and did updates free of obvious bugs...

In other words take your straw men elsewhere...

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

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Originally Posted by End View Post
I would sex up every anet staff member if they did skill balances more often and did updates free of obvious bugs....
Well thats ruined any chances of that happening then

I do agree though, making a significant change to one area means that only that one area or any quests directly related to that area would need to be tested.

from this update I would have presumed Talmark, Ice Chasms and HoM to be the three requiring testing,

Anyways, I'll go look at the camp next week sometime, its not like there are any new quests to be picked up there.

Leohan

Leohan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

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Yes this is a game breaking bug, but if you ever wrote code you be more understanding. You could be changing code on "A", that as no relation what so ever to another "B" and all of a sudden "B" code won't function. Then you have to go through line by line trying to figure out the conflicts/issues.
A game like Guild Wars as untold amount of lines of code, predicting something like this Hard Mode bug in the one area would be nice but, not realistic.

I don't know if the "Test Krewe" only test skill updates, or everything but if the group of volunteers are involved in this not doing a good job in helping Anet out then. That's if Anet gave them the job to test the area. Just saying this because it's their job to spend hours on end playing/testing the game for Anet.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Originally Posted by Leohan View Post
Yes this is a game breaking bug, but if you ever wrote code you be more understanding. You could be changing code on "A", that as no relation what so ever to another "B" and all of a sudden "B" code won't function. Then you have to go through line by line trying to figure out the conflicts/issues.
A game like Guild Wars as untold amount of lines of code, predicting something like this Hard Mode bug in the one area would be nice but, not realistic.
<---is in college for game design (or at least attempting to earn money to go back to college xD). I know that games like this are HUGE code-wise... but that doesn't excuse letting a huge bug through I don't expect them to look at the code and magically say "hey look, I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up there" (and I mean he's not gonna say GO RED ENGINE) I expect them to have people testing these things since they don't have an open test server

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I don't know if the "Test Krewe" only test skill updates, or everything but if the group of volunteers are involved in this not doing a good job in helping Anet out then. That's if Anet gave them the job to test the area. Just saying this because it's their job to spend hours on end playing/testing the game for Anet.
yeah...

I would even except if they explained a reason...like they noticed it and fixed it...but accidentally put an unfixed version of the code...or something got RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up between the test server and the live server...It's just that bugs just seem to become prevalent with all the updates..

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

Uhh....Did they take the Shining Blade guys out until they could fix the bug? Went down there with a guildie just now and saw this:

(nobody home!)

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~ View Post
Uhh....Did they take the Shining Blade guys out until they could fix the bug? Went down there with a guildie just now and saw this:

(nobody home!)
I heard a rumor you have to complete eotn for it to appear however I haven't confirmed such...have either of you not finished it?

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

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Originally Posted by End View Post
I heard a rumor you have to complete eotn for it to appear however I haven't confirmed such...have either of you not finished it?
That must be it. He hadn't completed EotN on his character. I just ran back down there solo and the Shining Blade were there.

PartyMAn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

FL

Mo/

There are two different versions of Talmark.


The original-




The modified version with the camp-



Just by that it should be easy to tell if the camp is going to be there, without actually running to it.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by End View Post
It'd be epic to get together a group of people who test out updates...So that obvious errors don't happen...

scratch that I'm copyrighting this idea...
The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on. It was just the QA who tested it, and apparently they didn't test HM - because, I'm guessing, they didn't think it would affect vanquisher because... well... it doesn't affect HM! Except in a bug. >.>

People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible. Not to mention there are times when there are no bugs in the stage server but there are in the live server (like when zcoins were first released - no one could put them into the storage, but that was possible in the stage server).

Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.

Razon

Razon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by PartyMAn View Post
There are two different versions of Talmark.


The original-




The modified version with the camp-



Just by that it should be easy to tell if the camp is going to be there, without actually running to it.
Nice. So that means they redesigned the whole explorable area for this.

Redvex

Redvex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

another img

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

It appears as if they refined the explorable area using some of the technology used in EotN. That's interesting and exciting! The poly count appears to have gone up significantly and the texture quality has more that doubled from what I can tell in those screenshots. I am impressed!

I think they should port the graphics technology used in EotN over to Factions and Prophecies. It would greatly improve the look of the game, holding over until GW2. Not to mention I would be more than happy to devote my time to testing it for graphical glitches.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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Originally Posted by Razon View Post
Nice. So that means they redesigned the whole explorable area for this.
That would likely explain the vanquisher bug. You're not vanquishing Talmark Wilderness. You're vanquishing the new Talmark Wilderness, one that isn't necessarily considered a part of Tyria and doesn't count towards the Vanquisher track.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
That would likely explain the vanquisher bug. You're not vanquishing Talmark Wilderness. You're vanquishing the new Talmark Wilderness, one that isn't necessarily considered a part of Tyria and doesn't count towards the Vanquisher track.
Seems likely. Can you vanquish it if you haven't completed EotN?
I might try it out on my Warrior or Ele.

Teres

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Germany

Mo/Me

Just tried it out:

- Character with Prophecies completed, Eye of the North not on the account: Got the new area, no vanquishing possible
- Character with Prophecies incomplete (Crytal Desert), Eye of the North only partially done: Got the old area, and it can be vanquished.

I guess the old/new Talmark theory is right then. If you get the old area, you can vanquish it, if you get the new one, you cannot.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes View Post
The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on. It was just the QA who tested it, and apparently they didn't test HM - because, I'm guessing, they didn't think it would affect vanquisher because... well... it doesn't affect HM! Except in a bug. >.>
They should know by now that changing one thing can affect something completely different >.>


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People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible. Not to mention there are times when there are no bugs in the stage server but there are in the live server (like when zcoins were first released - no one could put them into the storage, but that was possible in the stage server).
I noted that and as I said I would rather have an explanation like that rather then just saying that the bug exists and they'll get around to fixing it...or at least I think I mentioned that... O.o


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Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.
I remember...my first year of college...failing one assignment because I hit : instead of ; ... QQ

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

=\ Makes me very grumpy, went to check out the village, and figured, hey why not vanquish this area while I am at it, after battling the ever annoying inferno imps, i cleared the area, only to look up and see there is no vanquishing =\ Thanks a lump a-fail-net =\. At least post something at login when you are aware of an issue and arent correcting it

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes View Post
The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on. It was just the QA who tested it, and apparently they didn't test HM - because, I'm guessing, they didn't think it would affect vanquisher because... well... it doesn't affect HM! Except in a bug. >.>
Good to hear they trust those NDAs that they forged in blood so much . And I think people are reacting poorly to this bug because almost every single update since the TK has been formed has contained a significant bug or error.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes View Post
People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible. Not to mention there are times when there are no bugs in the stage server but there are in the live server (like when zcoins were first released - no one could put them into the storage, but that was possible in the stage server).
You'd think with several hundred people on the TK, someone would catch stuff like the huge bug to Slaver's, the huge bug to Smiter's Boon, etc.

However, from what I hear, less than half the people on the TK actually get on the forums or test the game. Actually, I know for a fact that they recently added several people to the TK specifically to test out some GvG changes because no one was doing it.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes View Post
Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.
I think we all understand that, but over time those accidental commas and misspellings add up. Hell, there are free MMO's online that get better bug support than GW at this point.

I appreciate what they and the TK are doing, but there comes a point where you have to question the jobs of the QA.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Good to hear they trust those NDAs that they forged in blood so much . And I think people are reacting poorly to this bug because almost every single update since the TK has been formed has contained a significant bug or error.
I think it's more of...wanting to keep the TK excited to (hey they're still customers and since it's most likely gonna be a micro transaction thing :\ ). However to me they still should have had the TK go over it real quick I mean there is a reason they are exist...

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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Originally Posted by End View Post
...and since it's most likely gonna be a micro transaction thing :\
Most. Jaded. Community. Ever.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

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Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Most. Jaded. Community. Ever.
He's not being jaded.....he's being honest. Something in this update will be profitable for Anet, just watch.

That's not to say that some of it wont, but the last year and a half have taught us not to expect anything for free anymore.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes View Post
The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on.
I understand and agree with this, after all, they couldnt stop leaks to "favoured players" when it was anet staff only.

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People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible.
Sorry, but this I disagree with. As someone who has written QA test scripts and worked on QA software, the one thing you do is a brainstorming "what if situation" and then prepare to test the possibilities. Where I can agree its difficult to catch everything, this was a change to an area and therefore the testing of that area should be screaming Test Me! - not some unforeseen bug created in Nightfall or other similar area unassociated with the updated area.

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Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.
Remember, is not that precisely why you QA before putting it out live?

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Most. Jaded. Community. Ever.
Would you put this much time, effort, and money into hyping something you weren't going to profit off of?

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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Originally Posted by End View Post
Would you put this much time, effort, and money into hyping something you weren't going to profit off of?
Don't forget they also just added a staff member and possibly increased the pay of another.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

You guys should start a game development company, seeing as how you clearly know everything there is to know, and are better than everyone else.

And so what if a small section of this large update is micro transaction for something that doesn't affect gameplay? Is it a crime for ANET to make some money while they continue to develop for GW1 while simultaneously developing GW2 (which is costing them a lot of money most likely)? You are getting new content on a game that you don't pay a monthly fee for, that is getting quite old at this point, and that is well on its way to evolving into a new game that promises a lot more. QQ more, please.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief View Post
You guys should start a game development company, seeing as how you clearly know everything there is to know, and are better than everyone else.
not everything... :P

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And so what if a small section of this large update is micro transaction for something that doesn't affect gameplay? Is it a crime for ANET to make some money while they continue to develop for GW1 while simultaneously developing GW2 (which is costing them a lot of money most likely)? You are getting new content on a game that you don't pay a monthly fee for, that is getting quite old at this point, and that is well on its way to evolving into a new game that promises a lot more. QQ more, please.
I have no issue with micro transactions I never intended to make it seem like I was against them...any sadness is because I want and can't afford...Not that I would necessarily give them my money unless I felt they deserved it...
I mean would you really pay 14 a month for your WoW if they were doing real updates every 6 months and each seemed to have a major flaw? while I know flaws are inevitable things like this are quite honestly rather obvious... not hard to check...So even if I had money it'd have to be something I wanted :\

Edit: they're a business...let them make money...it should be their goal to do soo

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

There's a micro transaction?? Did I miss it? Or are there assumptions being made??

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

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Originally Posted by Lycan Nibbler View Post
There's a micro transaction?? Did I miss it? Or are there assumptions being made??
No, there's just speculation on the subject so far.

I agree with Rahja. I don't see why Anet shouldn't be able to make some money out of this.