Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
No, there's just speculation on the subject so far.
I agree with Rahja. I don't see why Anet shouldn't be able to make some money out of this. |
Phaern Majes
But they said it'll be fixed by Monday so its not a horribly big deal.
Barrage
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Originally Posted by Lycan Nibbler
I have no problem with it either, always as long as it doesnt affect the balance of one player over another.
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AngelWJedi
chaosincarnate87
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
i dont mind anet making money. but if all they care about is money then thats a problem. thats like me setting up a lemonaid stand and if i only charged for the lemonaid you wouldnt care if i made money. but i bet if i also charged you for the cup,ice,service and other odds and ends you wouldnt be happy i bet. and i vanqed that area a long time ago so i dont mind them waiting to fix it.
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Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
i dont mind anet making money. but if all they care about is money then thats a problem. thats like me setting up a lemonaid stand and if i only charged for the lemonaid you wouldnt care if i made money. but i bet if i also charged you for the cup,ice,service and other odds and ends you wouldnt be happy i bet. and i vanqed that area a long time ago so i dont mind them waiting to fix it.
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Arghore
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
i dont mind anet making money. but if all they care about is money then thats a problem. thats like me setting up a lemonaid stand and if i only charged for the lemonaid you wouldnt care if i made money. but i bet if i also charged you for the cup,ice,service and other odds and ends you wouldnt be happy i bet..
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Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by End
not everything... :P
I have no issue with micro transactions I never intended to make it seem like I was against them...any sadness is because I want and can't afford...Not that I would necessarily give them my money unless I felt they deserved it... I mean would you really pay 14 a month for your WoW if they were doing real updates every 6 months and each seemed to have a major flaw? while I know flaws are inevitable things like this are quite honestly rather obvious... not hard to check...So even if I had money it'd have to be something I wanted :\ Edit: they're a business...let them make money...it should be their goal to do soo |
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Originally Posted by Arghore
I think you are going about your business wrong, you should calculate all your costs through to your product else you cant determain if you are actually making money or are at a loss ... so i would suggest you read up on economy before ever starting a lemonade stand ...
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
LOL. Clearly you don't play WoW. Patches come out about every 3-6 months, and patch days are... well... how do I put this without swearing... Oh, I know! #@*%Y&@#$^#@!$(&!#@$(*&!#@$!#@*$(&!#@$(& !#@$(&!@$(&! @#&(!@*#^!@#^& @!#$ #@$%(@#)$@#%&()#@&$)(#@()@&#($&@#*$&(#@!&$!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!1111one!!!!1111!11!!!!! You need to play WoW in order to be able to comment on WoW. I play WoW (recently quit, but the point still stands)
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Dream&cn=Rahja Does that help? |
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by End
SO sorry you wasted all that money then
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
It wasn't a waste. I had a great time playing WoW, I just don't have the time to devote to it atm, and I'm honestly not that interested in the current content (Icecrown). Game updates have glitches, get used to it. As long as they are fixed within a timely manner, it's no big deal.
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EDIT: Nope, not playing Guild Wars. (Minus Test Krewe stuff)
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Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by End
No problem with glitches so long as they aren't oozing open sores on the face of the update...
AS I said I'd rather have them have them ask a few of the TK people to take a look at it even if it meant they lost a small small percentage of sales of their next micro...as to me it would seem like things like this make people less likely to hand over their money... to bad... and your right...I don't play wow...I tried it out on that server you recommended and just couldn't see myself putting enough time into it to make it worth the money for me :\ now that I know updates are less often then I thought it reinforces my decision xD |
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
I have this strange feeling that a lot of people aren't going to Vanquish Talmark this weekend... might just be a hunch.. but, my hunches are usually pretty decent.
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AngelWJedi
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
to all those who thought my lemonaid stand example was wrong was excuse me. but didnt gw survive up the 4th content without micro transaction? i mean they made money or else how do you explain them lasting so long? and yeah some people wanted to vanq that spot. one i know was gl. she wanted to vanq it for her title. and from all these updates i can see micro transaction didnt nothing to help gw except make money. cause from what i seen the name/makeup/sex/costumes are nothing but looks. xD
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Garreth MacLeod
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
EDIT: Nope, not playing Guild Wars.
(Minus Test Krewe stuff) |
Phaern Majes
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
to all those who thought my lemonaid stand example was wrong was excuse me. but didnt gw survive up the 4th content without micro transaction? i mean they made money or else how do you explain them lasting so long? and yeah some people wanted to vanq that spot. one i know was gl. she wanted to vanq it for her title. and from all these updates i can see micro transaction didnt nothing to help gw except make money. cause from what i seen the name/makeup/sex/costumes are nothing but looks. xD
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Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod
Does that mean you are on the test crew but not playing Guild Wars on at least a semi-regular basis?
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Yes, yes it does. I happen to be one of the oldest players in the game, with a deep understanding of the mathematics and mechanics, and a very keen mind. I don't appreciate you even hinting at a suggestion that I am unable to do my duty as a TK member because I don't farm crap or GvG on a regular basis. It's pretty easy to ask what meta builds are, see the FotM, and see what problem skills are in specific areas.
We are working on something right now that I have wanted changed in the game for 4+ years, and I am going to be all over it in feedback and testing, making sure the changes that I know are needed are voiced and hopefully made. The changes happen to be on centered around what I would consider my Guild Wars specialty, and I will not stand for you even questioning my intelligence in understanding this game. How dare you? |
Garreth MacLeod
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Yes, yes it does. I happen to be one of the oldest players in the game, with a deep understanding of the mathematics and mechanics, and a very keen mind. I don't appreciate you even hinting at a suggestion that I am unable to do my duty as a TK member because I don't farm crap or GvG on a regular basis. It's pretty easy to ask what meta builds are, see the FotM, and see what problem skills are in specific areas.
We are working on something right now that I have wanted changed in the game for 4+ years, and I am going to be all over it in feedback and testing, making sure the changes that I know are needed are voiced and hopefully made. The changes happen to be on centered around what I would consider my Guild Wars specialty, and I will not stand for you even questioning my intelligence in understanding this game. How dare you? |
Phaern Majes
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
We are working on something right now that I have wanted changed in the game for 4+ years
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Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod
Dang, why you defending yourself so loudly?
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Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod
I think the folks at Anet have also accomplished all their pve goals and so they don't care what others go through. If you follow any of them on twitter, you know they are playing a lot of other games. Never see one of them mention playing gw though. Maybe if they still played they'd care more about chasing off half the player base. Empty and half-empty outposts aren't a whole lot of fun.
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Pugs Not Drugs
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Originally Posted by End
ok so to clarify my point..I don't mind anet making money...it's their right to do so...
My issue comes when they don't want the TK to test an update because to those few TK member the whole obey/dismantle campaign will loose its luster and they'll be less likely to buy whatever the micro may be...So they sacrifice what otherwise would have been a quality update for a few more sales...I truthfully would rather see quality updates and quite frankly would be more willing to give them what little spare money I have. I love Guild Wars but until I feel like they deserve my money they won't be getting much of it... |
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes
Because whether you intended it or not, your post is implying that he is incompetent for that particular job.
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Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod
Does that mean you are on the test crew but not playing Guild Wars on at least a semi-regular basis?
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Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by Lycan Nibbler
I saw nothing "implied" in that question at all.
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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs
Now that is all assumptions. How do you know that the TK did not test the update because ANET wanted some more sales? To begin with, how are you so sure there will be a microtransaction (though there probably will be one). Unless you have some solid proof that this was the reason the update was not thoroughly tested, its all guesses.
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Pugs Not Drugs
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Originally Posted by End
Do we have reason to believe there won't be a micro? I mean really...looking at their recent track record of micros as part of bigger updates and events...and looking at how much time and money they are putting into it...as well as excluding the TK from testing the new camp because of the little obey/dismantle thing...no reason to believe that there won't be a micro involved...
Well Konig mentioned the TK was left out to keep up the hype...since the TK is bound by the NDA there is no reason to believe they will be leaking information...so it can be assumed to keep people on the TK excited...why would you really need to do that unless money was involved? |
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on.
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Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by Lycan Nibbler
The person asked one question - a fairly straightforward question -
As I read another post recently on guru stating that the TK had required changes due to the lack of people testing things, then the makeup of the TK is of interest to people. I saw nothing "implied" in that question at all. The fact was, the tirade in response was over the top and aggressive, not what Id expect from an elder statesman of guru. Anyway, thats OT as the previous posts were, so I wont add further to it. The reason for the TK not being asked to test this update was clearly made - that they wanted to stop spoilers leaking before the release - nothing more, nothing about micro transactions or anything else. This is perfectly reasonable as we all know it just takes one person to tell their two best friends etc and suddenly its known everywhere. Talmark will hopefully be back to normal tomorrow anyway. |
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
And yes, the reasoning behind us not testing the update was quite sound.
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Aljasha
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
He's not being jaded.....he's being honest. Something in this update will be profitable for Anet, just watch.
That's not to say that some of it wont, but the last year and a half have taught us not to expect anything for free anymore. |
Kattar
Arkantos