E/Me Raptors: 39 kills including boss...

Oh snap! I feel like an idiot now xD
I do with W/N, still /age = 0min and get 40 raptors Yeah, should work for W/N too. Although, what's your /age by the time you've picked up all your drops at the end? If you're not well over a minute after that... your drops suck! :-D

Not well over a minute, more like 1min 5secs or so ^^

I actually video recorded one of them: resigned at 1min 2sec, 41 raptors Your drops must suck!!! ;-D ;-D

Your drops must suck!!! ;-D ;-D Uh, not really. You can kill all the raptors themselves in about 50-55 seconds, and then that gives you fifteen-twenty seconds to pick up the drops, which don't take THAT much time. Also, that screenshot could be 1 min 59.99999999 seconds for all we know(and there's still raptors alive).

I'm not saying that build isn't good, but it's not really fair to rip on the Warrior like that, either...

Uh, not really. You can kill all the raptors themselves in about 50-55 seconds, and then that gives you fifteen-twenty seconds to pick up the drops, which don't take THAT much time. Also, that screenshot could be 1 min 59.99999999 seconds for all we know(and there's still raptors alive).

I'm not saying that build isn't good, but it's not really fair to rip on the Warrior like that, either... Dude, you clearly don't know what this means --> ;-D
It's called a smiley. It is used to denote humour.

Also, if you'd ever farmed Raptors E/Me yourself, you'd know that you ALWAYS leave the last Raptor alive.

By the way, if you search the forums, you'll find a video of me showing how fast I do my E/Me runs with my old build. I've improved my ranks, runes and sequence since then, but the speed is the same or faster: 1min 25secs is about my average - but that's TOTAL time to zone in, do the run, return to town and zone out again. Not just the time to do the run.

And another "by the way": I've leeched W/N's a lot for my other characters... and I timed their runs. They normally took at least 1min 10secs from the start of one run to zoning out for the next. I saw one or two do it in about 1min 5secs, but that was extremely rare. And that's when there were no event items to pick up at the end of the run. In other words... when there was a lot of event items dropping, W/N ended up hardly any faster than E/Me (E/Me picks up as they drop, no wait at the end). That's why I use E/Me for events - comparable speed, but I find it much easier to run.

Maybe my W/N runners were crap. But I went with a lot of runners, so if that's the case then it means the vast majority of W/N's are crap at what they do. I'd be interested to see videos by a real pro.

Dude, you clearly don't know what this means --> ;-D
It's called a smiley. It is used to denote humour.

Also, if you'd ever farmed Raptors E/Me yourself, you'd know that you ALWAYS leave the last Raptor alive.

By the way, if you search the forums, you'll find a video of me showing how fast I do my E/Me runs with my old build. I've improved my ranks, runes and sequence since then, but the speed is the same or faster: 1min 25secs is about my average - but that's TOTAL time to zone in, do the run, return to town and zone out again. Not just the time to do the run.

And another "by the way": I've leeched W/N's a lot for my other characters... and I timed their runs. They normally took at least 1min 10secs from the start of one run to zoning out for the next. I saw one or two do it in about 1min 5secs, but that was extremely rare. And that's when there were no event items to pick up at the end of the run. In other words... when there was a lot of event items dropping, W/N ended up hardly any faster than E/Me (E/Me picks up as they drop, no wait at the end). That's why I use E/Me for events - comparable speed, but I find it much easier to run.

Maybe my W/N runners were crap. But I went with a lot of runners, so if that's the case then it means the vast majority of W/N's are crap at what they do. I'd be interested to see videos by a real pro. Anything with a wink in it on the internet, and particularly this forum, has become synonymous with snarkiness to me, so that was just a misinterpretation.

Also, I HAVE farmed E/Me myself, before I actually cared to get BuH on my Warrior. I found W/N to be faster in my experience.

How do you do so fast? I use the same build as you on ele (although glyph of sacrifice over magnetic aura) and get times of roughly 1min 15-20secs not including loading times (I have 10secs on BUH, +24% intensity and +15 from ward). Well, you're doing it very close to the same speed as me at 1:15. Sometimes I take a few seconds longer than 1:15, but sometimes I'm a few seconds quicker (my old video shows me /resign at 1:10 - better than average, the cave spawned nicely)

Do you have shortcut keys assigned, for your hero commands, target yourself, and bring up your hero flag? I actually use an Ideazon Fang keypad, which lets me have all necessary keys very close together, and makes it extremely quick to do the hero stuff at the start.

Apart from that, what runes are you using? I have:
Earth 12+1+3
Water 10+2
Energy 3+1
Inspiration 7

The major Water rune is key... the extra 1sec duration on Mist Form simplifies the re-casts after the boss dies (compared to the messy routine in my old video), and minimises the downtime of Intensity. Less downtime = less time taken to kill everything.

Timing of BUH! is important too... I use the shout the moment Sliver becomes effective - not too soon, not too late... so I get the maximum benefit out of it. Again, less downtime = less time taken to kill everything. I also recast it early or late depending on whether the previous copy is still up, whether my health is below 50% but about to go over, etc.

I don't use "Can't touch this!" on the hero, because I actually WANT Rekoff to hit me with Twisting Jaws... I'll usually take a few hits while aggroing, then Twisting Jaws takes me below 50% health... and then I get double duration on BUH! and no downtime.

Other than that, I dunno... maybe I take a different route round the cave.

I actually made a new video to show one of my runs including the patrol... and it shows 38 kills in 1 minute 16secs, from start of run to /resign. I find that time fairly easy to achieve in a regular run (no patrol). Tricky to do the patrol as well though - and I only do them if the cave spawns nicely, probably once every 3-5 runs.

Unfortunately I am unlikely to post the video, since I am not willing to post my IGN anywhere. I figured I could hide my IGN from chat and party window easily enough in the video... but there's my name again when I target myself for the hero... and everything I pick up shows who it was assigned to. It's a bit much for my limited video editing software to hide all that. (By the way, the character name that's visible in my old video no longer exists - I paid for a rename, as a precaution).

The patrol you are talking about has Wild strike which can remove Mantra of Resolve with unpleasant consequences, i would think twice before aggroing them... Strange but like impulsion said, they don't seem to use it. Either that, or I've already done my cast sequence by the time they reach me, and they've been killed before they can get off their lead attacks, and then use wild strike.

Definitely something to watch out for though. I usually notice if my Mantra goes down, and it hasn't been happening so far. It is recharged by the time I stop and let the raptors wail on me, so even if it's removed, I have a chance to put it back up, and a third chance after Rekoff dies.

By the way, Rekoff has Wild Strike too... but almost never seems to use it.

To be honest though, this only gets an extra ~5 enemies, and I don't think it is worth the extra time it takes. When I do it with E/Me, it doesn't take extra time - my timer is when Magnetic Aura is about to run out... same as a normal run. But I don't try to do it every time - only when the cave spawns look good. It's just a nice little bonus every few runs.

Why the extra heroes in that screenshot?

I was using song of concentration so that I can get that extra group every run. Hmm. Well if you're able to get the patrol in every run, and you kill 5-6 of them every time... thats 15%-18% more kills per run.

The question is: does it add 15%-18% more time?
If yes, it's not worth it. If not, then it IS worth it.

Assuming 60sec runs, it would have to be adding at least 9 seconds to your run time to make it NOT worth doing.

I was using song of concentration so that I can get that extra group every run. i was wondering how you casted MoP while surrounded by raptors lol.

these are some pretty pro runs. i guess i should reevaluate the way i kill raptors