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Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

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05 May 2010 at 20:44 - 41

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

sorry, I don't live in Cuba. I live in a land where there is competition, where things change rapidly and staying ahead of the curve is the difference between innovation and layoffs. This can both be said of the place I work at and the game developers I choose to patronize.

*cough*bailouts*cough*

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

05 May 2010 at 21:16 - 42

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Originally Posted by coil

...
my only question is this: sure, linsey is the lead. but to not release anything without her is odd...because one would imagine for something that should have been as big as an anniversary celebration/viral continuation of the warinkryta, these things would have been created, tested, and approved for release at least a week before the actual anniversary/release date yes?

...

we have had this happen in the past as well.....anyone remember the flu that happened during a convention that knocked out some people and pushed yet another update back????
Seems that our few live team members who do the designing/testing etc dont get things done well before the date that it is supposed to go live. (doing that would only be logical....heaven only knows what acts of God that could happen to put you behind schedule, though anet has used quite a few of them in the past few years----).
I would agree they should have had it done early JIC!

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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05 May 2010 at 21:24 - 43

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I would agree they should have had it done early JIC!

When has a game dev team ever gotten anything done early? That job doesn't attract the "hard working" types. Sure, they're motivated and passionate, but they're not good at deadlines.....or setting them. I mean, Linsey puts in nights where she works like 12 hours straight (according to Facebook), but half of that is her playing Dawn of Discovery and screwing around with the other people in the office (also according to Facebook).

Hell, half the time she just works from home. Again, not exactly the tough-it-out kind of people.

recon54

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Necros Mausoleum

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05 May 2010 at 22:33 - 44

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

- It will happen.
- When?
- Later.
- When is later?
- Do you know when are we know?
- Now?
- Yes, now. Now we are at 'now'. Well, it will be 'later'.
- And when it's later?
- After now.
- And when it's now?
- Now.
- And when it's later?
- Later.

"-Your looking at the now sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
-What happened to then?
-We passed then.
-When?
-Just now. We're at now now.
-Go back to then!
-When?
-Now!
-Now?
-Now.
-I can't.
-Why?
-We just missed it.
-When?
-Just now.
-When will then be now?
-Soon.
-How soon?"

heh, glorious Spaceballs.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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05 May 2010 at 22:54 - 45

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

When has a game dev team ever gotten anything done early? That job doesn't attract the "hard working" types. Sure, they're motivated and passionate, but they're not good at deadlines.....or setting them. I mean, Linsey puts in nights where she works like 12 hours straight (according to Facebook), but half of that is her playing Dawn of Discovery and screwing around with the other people in the office (also according to Facebook).

Hell, half the time she just works from home. Again, not exactly the tough-it-out kind of people.

Ah I forgot the new working ethics....go to work and expect to be paid for your mere presence there (sorry I dont share that and neither does my husband who also works in the computer field---he sometimes works 16 hour days and weekends..and yes he is actually WORKING then, I have watched it).....which explains quite a lot now.

Mireles

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

W/Me

06 May 2010 at 01:30 - 46

I think the competency of this dev team speaks for itself... it appears this was supposed to be ready for anniversary... without anything happening for this year anniversary to was pretty lame and it was disappointing that nothing new at all came during that week... They should of started the marketing campaign after the actual product was finished.. anticipation is turning into impatience...

Since then its hard to stay logged on for more than 20 mins... I hope the quality of this update matches the time allocated to it because anyone can type dialog.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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06 May 2010 at 20:57 - 47

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Originally Posted by recon54

[...]

heh, glorious Spaceballs.

I wasn't thinking about that but now that you mention it... XD

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

06 May 2010 at 22:26 - 48

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Originally Posted by Mireles

I think the lack of a dev team speaks for itself...

Fixed. Sorry but a couple people aren't going to be able to handle events that great.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

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07 May 2010 at 01:20 - 49

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Originally Posted by ilikegw

Sorry but a couple people aren't going to be able to handle events that great.

last year's (4th) anniversary was handled by the same live team, and iirc was generally well received (there were many critics as well).

remember this statement?:

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content updates every 3 to 4 months

lets review the (notable) content updates the live team has brought us thus far:
2008 november - storybooks
2009 april - menagerie, zqs, storage
2010 january - pvp "love" (aka introduce crappy codex that no one will play and shit on the small but dedicated hb/ta playerbase)
2010 april - nothing? (unless you count microtransaction costumes as 'content')

after the 2009 anniversary there was a long stretch of nothing. i remember the forming of the test krewe was being used as an excuse to why not a whole lot of content was being released. many people speculated, "just wait until the test krewe is finalized and starts working, then we'll get better/more content"... well test krewe has been around for a while now, and i'm still waiting for something to happen?

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

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07 May 2010 at 02:45 - 50

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Originally Posted by snaek

llets review the (notable) content updates the live team has brought us thus far:
2008 november - storybooks
2009 april - menagerie, zqs, storage
2010 january - pvp "love" (aka introduce crappy codex that no one will play and shit on the small but dedicated hb/ta playerbase)
2010 april - nothing? (unless you count microtransaction costumes as 'content')

One can quibble about whether or not an update is "notable", but I really think you've left out some worthy updates.

2008 December - major skill update and addition of new Wintersday content for EotN. (I would call these new quests as notable as anything in the 4th anniversary update.)
2009 June - major skill update, including the major buff to rits (again, pretty notable, considering how many new rit characters and builds have been created since then) and significant changes to hero AI.
2009 August - major skill update and change to pets (less damage taken, more damage dealt), notable for making beast mastery more viable along with significant buffs to dervish and ele skills.
2009 October - new PvP henchies, major revisions to PvE henchie skill bars, revisions to henchie/hero/NPC AI, addition of new Halloween quest chain, and changes to UW. Plus the introduction of the Codex Arena. If that isn't a notable bunch of updates, I don't know what is.
2010 April - you conveniently omitted mention of all the changes related to the War in Kryta, the trial of Zinn, and the Gwen/Thackeray dialogs and scavenger hunt. While these events have not developed as quickly as we might like, they are hardly "nothing".

Rikimaru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/

07 May 2010 at 03:04 - 51

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

ORLY?They told us a while back they have 2 separate teams. Plus anyone aying 'patience', we have all been patient and would just like some consistency and information. For once.

I believe they also said that the entire Guild Wars team consists of like 5 people, and that the Art Team alone for GW2 has nearly 200 (may have been the entire GW2 staff, can't exactly remember).

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

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07 May 2010 at 05:12 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrettM

One can quibble about whether or not an update is "notable", but I really think you've left out some worthy updates.

2008 December - major skill update and addition of new Wintersday content for EotN. (I would call these new quests as notable as anything in the 4th anniversary update.)
2009 June - major skill update, including the major buff to rits (again, pretty notable, considering how many new rit characters and builds have been created since then) and significant changes to hero AI.
2009 August - major skill update and change to pets (less damage taken, more damage dealt), notable for making beast mastery more viable along with significant buffs to dervish and ele skills.
2009 October - new PvP henchies, major revisions to PvE henchie skill bars, revisions to henchie/hero/NPC AI, addition of new Halloween quest chain, and changes to UW. Plus the introduction of the Codex Arena. If that isn't a notable bunch of updates, I don't know what is.
2010 April - you conveniently omitted mention of all the changes related to the War in Kryta, the trial of Zinn, and the Gwen/Thackeray dialogs and scavenger hunt. While these events have not developed as quickly as we might like, they are hardly "nothing".

i don't think you understand the meaning of "content update". skill balances were a part of the monthly updates (turned bimonthly, turned 'when its done'), in other words not content updates. i don't really consider seasonal things like wintersday and halloween quests 'content updates' either because they come and go (i.e. not permanent). also, i did mention the codex arena if you bothered to read. the war in kryta ("obey or dismantle") viral stuff i doubt was handled solely by the live team, and the in-game stuff thus far was quite unimpressive (imo at least). i left out the pvp henchie contest intentionally because (imo) it was an epic fail.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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07 May 2010 at 05:19 - 53

Oh, look everyone. More boring crap. How exciting!

*yawn* Too bad they don't want to actually add stuff that people care about. Thanks Anet for the thrilling new content and skill updates......oh....wait....

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

12 May 2010 at 02:26 - 54

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Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

For those that dont know/cant be bothered reading the other threads here, the stuff got delayed cause of Lindsey's back.

What kind of company is this? Small-time, run-by-family snack bar in a high-school?

Honestly if a game company tells me there's a delay because one guy in their team is sick. I'd highly questioned the company's professionalism and its ability to do ANYTHING productive.

But then again, this is Anet, a professionalism-free company. So I don't really expect much to begin with.

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

Fixed. Sorry but a couple people aren't going to be able to handle events that great.

Then they should've ACCEPTED the situation and DEAL WITH IT professionally.

Announcing something they simply cannot do is just retarded. Period.

That, or stupid PR stunt.

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

12 May 2010 at 05:56 - 55

while i agree with the above post, one could argue they did "add" something

=> http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...t10436129.html

Aleta

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

TTP

R/E

12 May 2010 at 12:12 - 56

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Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

This kinda thread again...

For those that dont know/cant be bothered reading the other threads here, the stuff got delayed cause of Lindsey's back. There probably would have been more stuff during the Anniversary week, but when your lead designer of a small team is laid up in bed, there is nothing much you can do.

as for people complaining about the speed or lack there of, I actually kinda like this. It is interesting to see this stuff unfolding rather than being slapped in there. Besides, I wouldnt be surprised if it was slapped in there that people would complain that they went through it too quick

Ran into two Shining Blades this morning in Kryta so had some company

But the above quote says it right. Someone will ALWAYS have a complaint.

Patience won't kill anyone lol well except for the instant gratifacation, keep me amused constantly crowd

Nereyda Shoaal

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Deldrimor Warcamp

Mo/W

12 May 2010 at 14:00 - 57

The break out of the War in Kryta takes longer than break out of WWII [apologies if anyone feels offended]

I've been coming back from work day after day after day after day hoping that something has actually happened today. All I'm getting are those "News from the front line" which I got fed up with 2-3 weeks ago. This can go on and on for another 3-4 months and nobody can complain because the response will be "Well we've been working on it and we have a proof"
I'm not interested in running around Kryta for 1.5 hour every day just to check whether a new mob has been added somewhere. It's boring and it's a waste of time. They were interesting at the beggining but now it's just cheap tricks which I simply don't buy anymore
I was tricked by ANet. Again. Something was announced and now it takes ages to "put final touches to it". If they have had any deadlines in the past they must've broken majority of them. Why don't they just work on something and not say about it until it's done. A lot of dissapointment will be saved

I don't like the way GW2 campaign has been handled but that's me
It started with great pace in 3 days I got more info than in 3 years and then it suddenly stopped.

/edit
I forgot to mention the FAIL GW2 newsletter. I signed up with 2 email accounts and I never received any emails regarding the development. Despite the fact we had some movement around

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Honestly if a game company tells me there's a delay because one guy in their team is sick. I'd highly questioned the company's professionalism and its ability to do ANYTHING productive.

Spot on.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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12 May 2010 at 16:00 - 58

I suggest we wait tomorrow , the date where the promised update is supposed to come ( according to wiki and other site , but since no news for 2 weeks i'm almost sure there won't be anything ) . We'll be able to complain then , when we'll see nothing new

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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12 May 2010 at 16:25 - 59

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

I suggest we wait tomorrow , the date where the promised update is supposed to come ( according to wiki and other site , but since no news for 2 weeks i'm almost sure there won't be anything ) . We'll be able to complain then , when we'll see nothing new

Tomorrow is "supposed" to be the skill update. I really don't think there will be any content, though. Knowing Anet, there may not be any WiK content at all. It may all just be storyline, that they pumped out to get some publicity for GW2, which is exactly what it did.

Zzz. I still can't believe we've gotten no new content for the 5th year. I could have sworn they told us we would....somewhere. Maybe they counted the costumes as content?

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

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12 May 2010 at 20:30 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Tomorrow is "supposed" to be the skill update. I really don't think there will be any content, though. Knowing Anet, there may not be any WiK content at all. It may all just be storyline, that they pumped out to get some publicity for GW2, which is exactly what it did.

Zzz. I still can't believe we've gotten no new content for the 5th year. I could have sworn they told us we would....somewhere. Maybe they counted the costumes as content?

Maybe they might sneak something in with the update... they seem to be doing that a lot of late (mention one thing in the update, add three extra things)

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

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12 May 2010 at 20:57 - 61

KJ, Regina has 'virtually' said that there will be content. She responded to a post of mine a few weeks ago, where she said that the content was still being worked on and that the 5th yr anniversary wasn't over yet (of course, it's well over now).

Still, I have very little faith in their ability to have any meaningful content, and they've been shown many times to have lied, not lived up to promises, and not inform the community when they wouldn't be able to live up to both their and our expectations (aka quarterly content updates).

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

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12 May 2010 at 22:51 - 62

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

What kind of company is this? Small-time, run-by-family snack bar in a high-school?

Honestly if a game company tells me there's a delay because one guy in their team is sick. I'd highly questioned the company's professionalism and its ability to do ANYTHING productive.

/facepalm.

Want a link? I will get a link for ya... hold on... here it is...

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Live_Team

That is how many people are on the Live Team. Everyone else at Anet is working on Guild Wars 2. Yes they have left only a handful of people to run this game that they aren't really working on.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

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13 May 2010 at 00:27 - 63

I count 11 people on the Live Team (plus 2 informal members). So, Ariovist, one of them gets sick and everyone else gets to go home?

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

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13 May 2010 at 00:35 - 64

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

I count 11 people on the Live Team (plus 2 informal members). So, Ariovist, one of them gets sick and everyone else gets to go home?

well, you have 3 QA testers, so that brings it down to 8, then you have 4 which are web/community relations workers, so that brings it down to 4 which can actually work on the content... and the one that got taken out was the lead (which would have to sign off on everything)....

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

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13 May 2010 at 02:10 - 65

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Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

well, you have 3 QA testers, so that brings it down to 8, then you have 4 which are web/community relations workers, so that brings it down to 4 which can actually work on the content... and the one that got taken out was the lead (which would have to sign off on everything)....

Worse than that. I don't think the producer really works on the content. So you actually have three: two designers and one programmer. Any other resources they might need to carry out an idea, such as artists and animators, must be borrowed from the GW2 team -- which is probably like pulling teeth at this point.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

13 May 2010 at 02:26 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

/facepalm.

Want a link? I will get a link for ya... hold on... here it is...

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Live_Team

That is how many people are on the Live Team. Everyone else at Anet is working on Guild Wars 2. Yes they have left only a handful of people to run this game that they aren't really working on.

I don't give a d*** about how small a developing team is. A bad game made by one guy is still that, A BAD GAME.

I don't go "Oh, so there's only one guy working on this? Ok I'll buy his game out of sympathy despite the fact that it's just bad and cost as much as other games". Sorry, I can't afford such charitable act and that's not really how it works in this world.

So your team is small? Do something good with the team you have. And do it well. Don't try to promise a mountain and deliver a bag of soil. Please.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

13 May 2010 at 04:21 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I don't give a d*** about how small a developing team is. A bad game made by one guy is still that, A BAD GAME.

I don't go "Oh, so there's only one guy working on this? Ok I'll buy his game out of sympathy despite the fact that it's just bad and cost as much as other games". Sorry, I can't afford such charitable act and that's not really how it works in this world.

Yeah, uh, two problems with that:
1) GW IS NOT A BAD GAME.
2) THEY'RE NOT SELLING YOU ANYTHING.

This is just supposed to be them giving us something to play with while we wait for GW2. Free content getting pushed back because one person on a three-man coding team got sick is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. If they had completed packed it up when they released GW:EN and just went on to make GW2 with everyone, you still would have gotten your money's worth. This, this War in Kryta thing, and every other content update we've gotten since GW:EN, this is gravy, and it had no effect on your decision to buy the game or not buy the game, so stop acting like you're being gravely misused and that anyone who isn't gleefully ravaging ANet like a rabid wombat is a pinko commie who doesn't "get" capitalism.

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So your team is small? Do something good with the team you have. And do it well. Don't try to promise a mountain and deliver a bag of soil. Please.

They have, okay? The content that we've gotten from the Live Team has been aces. ZQuests are still fun, if for no other reason than they revive pugging in one area once a day; Dhuum is the most awesome boss fight in the game, regardless of what you think of the increase in difficulty in the area; the little War in Kryta stuff that we've had so far has been incredibly well written and animated, and even genuinely funny in the case of Zinn's Trial. Yeah, it's not gameplay-focused content. I really don't care, it was/is still quality entertainment.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

13 May 2010 at 05:11 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Yeah, uh, two problems with that:
1) GW IS NOT A BAD GAME.

Did I say it is? *recheck* I didn't. Try re-reading. It was more or less an analogy.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

2) THEY'RE NOT SELLING YOU ANYTHING.

They were. And for some other people, they are. And they will be doing so for a long time. You see, I'm not talking about myself here. Please do what I do and stop taking things personally.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

This is just supposed to be them giving us something to play with while we wait for GW2. Free content getting pushed back because one person on a three-man coding team got sick is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. If they had completed packed it up when they released GW:EN and just went on to make GW2 with everyone, you still would have gotten your money's worth. This, this War in Kryta thing, and every other content update we've gotten since GW:EN, this is gravy, and it had no effect on your decision to buy the game or not buy the game, so stop acting like you're being gravely misused and that anyone who isn't gleefully ravaging ANet like a rabid wombat is a pinko commie who doesn't "get" capitalism.

Because they're doing all these things out of sympathy that we'd feel sad because of the lack of content & update in GW, right?

Please. This is just a PR stunt that they failed to finish. You and me both know this is not the first time they failed, either.

And if it takes "the end of the world" for someone to share a thought on a forum, we might as well shut down the internet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

They have, okay? The content that we've gotten from the Live Team has been aces. ZQuests are still fun, if for no other reason than they revive pugging in one area once a day; Dhuum is the most awesome boss fight in the game, regardless of what you think of the increase in difficulty in the area; the little War in Kryta stuff that we've had so far has been incredibly well written and animated, and even genuinely funny in the case of Zinn's Trial. Yeah, it's not gameplay-focused content. I really don't care, it was/is still quality entertainment.

Too bad I don't share your opinion on the matter. But thanks for sharing.

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

13 May 2010 at 06:28 - 69

Seems to be a consistently flogged topic.

I agree it's pretty bad sport to make promises regarding new content and not follow through but at the end of the day whining about lack of new content in a non-subscription game, especially a 5 year old game like GW, is akin to complaining about water being wet.

I would welcome new content as much as anyone else but I'd rather not join the "head meet wall" brigade of complainers.

Relying on content releases to justify your motivation to play just seems ridiculously futile and unrealistic.

If your bored you could...you know...play another game that meets your demands for regular new content as opposed to whine on about one which doesn't.

These threads tend to reek of "Want my cake and eat it too!!"

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

13 May 2010 at 06:46 - 70

I haven't SERIOUSLY played GW probably since sometime in mid to late 2009, and hadn't really checked in on my guildies/friends in a while until just yesterday or so. I had been hearing all about this "War In Kryta" for so long now, here on Guru, the main GW site, Facebook...etc..etc... and kept putting off visiting the "event" in game - I knew well worth a damn I would go in the game and find quests after all this damn advertising. So after a while away I log in and go look around. Nothing. Nothing at all. Looked on offical wiki, here on guru and nothing about quests or any meaningful non waste of time interaction other than some mobs to kill. I basically alt+f4'd and went off playing mw2 or l4d2...

So they bring GW into the light 5 years after it's development with all this marketing online about the War In Kryta for a few mobs. Glad the game actually got this much recognition when it was.. ya know.. developed and released...as an entire game on the date it was of 5 years ago? Nah lets market the game 5 years later that two factions that have been around as long as the game has who opposed each other - finally decide to go to war with each other.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

13 May 2010 at 12:10 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireflyry

Seems to be a consistently flogged topic.

I agree it's pretty bad sport to make promises regarding new content and not follow through but at the end of the day whining about lack of new content in a non-subscription game, especially a 5 year old game like GW, is akin to complaining about water being wet.

I would welcome new content as much as anyone else but I'd rather not join the "head meet wall" brigade of complainers.

Relying on content releases to justify your motivation to play just seems ridiculously futile and unrealistic.

If your bored you could...you know...play another game that meets your demands for regular new content as opposed to whine on about one which doesn't.

These threads tend to reek of "Want my cake and eat it too!!"

Most of the people aren't complaining about not getting content when they aren't paying. Most of them are upset that people came back to the game to play content and nothing is really happening.

Content was promised - and is still coming - but it's not here. People are getting frustrated because they reinstalled a game they haven't played in a long time, expecting to play through a few quests or events over a period of a week and then go back to pretending the game doesn't exist.These people are waiting around for the content to actually do something.

They are upset because they were drawn in by a marketing campaign (which capitalised on GW2 info creating a desire for GW1 content) which promised content and so far they have very little to show from it.

Had there been no new content promised (and to a lesser extent, no 4th year anniversay precedent) I think you would find most people couldn't care less.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

13 May 2010 at 18:57 - 72

Have you ever seen the version number of GW?
Not many games reach that number.
They do at a lot of things, but the game is so good, that we go through the content like wildfire, devouring it, and then crave for more.
And we never have enough.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

13 May 2010 at 19:29 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Have you ever seen the version number of GW?
Not many games reach that number.
They do at a lot of things, but the game is so good, that we go through the content like wildfire, devouring it, and then crave for more.
And we never have enough.

Yeah, but not that many games need three different bug fixes as a result of some trivial content update... imagine what that build number would be without all the emergency fixes they've unleashed in response to an update.

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

13 May 2010 at 19:32 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Have you ever seen the version number of GW?
Not many games reach that number.
They do at a lot of things, but the game is so good, that we go through the content like wildfire, devouring it, and then crave for more.
And we never have enough.

huh, where do you find the version number?

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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13 May 2010 at 19:50 - 75

F11, bottom left.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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14 May 2010 at 02:13 - 76

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Did I say it is? *recheck* I didn't. Try re-reading. It was more or less an analogy.

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A bad game made by one guy is still that, A BAD GAME.

Newsflash: the Live Team aren't making a game. They're making free add-on content for a game that already exists. They cannot, in any fashion, negatively affect the existing game by adding to it. Therefore, either what you said is pointless because you were talking about the content the Live Team was adding (which isn't a game), or you were talking about GW as a whole, which you said you were not. Therefore, I'm gonna go with "pointless".

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They were. And for some other people, they are. And they will be doing so for a long time. You see, I'm not talking about myself here. Please do what I do and stop taking things personally.

Which ties into what I just said: the game is what it is. These content additions, or the lack thereof, do not magically reduce the amount of content in the game for some new player just starting out right now. There's still at least a couple hundred hours of content in here for any new player, which is more than enough considering they can get all 4 games for like $25 now. Again, as I said before, anything we get at this point is gravy, and not getting it does not negatively impact the game.

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Because they're doing all these things out of sympathy that we'd feel sad because of the lack of content & update in GW, right?

Please. This is just a PR stunt that they failed to finish. You and me both know this is not the first time they failed, either.

Um...yeah, I kinda thought that was the entire purpose of the Live Team: to make GW players feel at least a little comforted and happy, so we'd stand the wait until GW2 releases. Can't a company both be concerned that its customers are unhappy, and do something for the PR? The two goals are basically the same.

And, other than the fact that the update's been pushed back yet again (which has been a chronic problem with ANet since Prophecies, let's not kid ourselves), I can't think of an instance of them actually lying to us. Not telling us stuff for an inordinately long time, maybe, but flat out lying? I really don't know where people get that from.

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And if it takes "the end of the world" for someone to share a thought on a forum, we might as well shut down the internet.

No, but apparently it takes all of a year of slow content for you to call a game company that's given you thousands of hours of entertainment a bunch of lazy, lying bums who expect free handouts from their customers. Seriously, what the hell is with the polemics? You act like this is the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVAR!!!11 that they get us the free content on time, and you act like this WiK thing getting pushed back is suddenly a deal-breaker for GW, as if you're trying to decide whether or not to buy it. Even if you were, GW would still be worth the price of admission, without any WiK stuff at all. So, yeah, I don't get the anger here, I just don't.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

14 May 2010 at 05:38 - 77

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Newsflash: the Live Team aren't making a game. They're making free add-on content for a game that already exists. They cannot, in any fashion, negatively affect the existing game by adding to it. Therefore, either what you said is pointless because you were talking about the content the Live Team was adding (which isn't a game), or you were talking about GW as a whole, which you said you were not. Therefore, I'm gonna go with "pointless".

My point was, you should judge the quality of something based on the quality itself, not the amount of people who work on it. You keep on dragging my analogy into this "live team" BS that I have to say I don't really care about.

Stop it.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Which ties into what I just said: the game is what it is. These content additions, or the lack thereof, do not magically reduce the amount of content in the game for some new player just starting out right now. There's still at least a couple hundred hours of content in here for any new player, which is more than enough considering they can get all 4 games for like $25 now. Again, as I said before, anything we get at this point is gravy, and not getting it does not negatively impact the game.

It does, for me at least. We are talking about Anet as a whole here. I don't really care much about GW itself anymore after the whole GWEN and GW2 bean-spilling debacle years ago.

For a company to promise something and deliver something less, a lot less, how are you supposed to trust them to deliver anything productive later on? This is definitely NOT the first time such thing happened, either.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Um...yeah, I kinda thought that was the entire purpose of the Live Team: to make GW players feel at least a little comforted and happy, so we'd stand the wait until GW2 releases. Can't a company both be concerned that its customers are unhappy, and do something for the PR? The two goals are basically the same.

I'm not sure if you're acting NAIVE to impress anyone or this is really what you are. But I'm not that impressed.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

And, other than the fact that the update's been pushed back yet again (which has been a chronic problem with ANet since Prophecies, let's not kid ourselves), I can't think of an instance of them actually lying to us. Not telling us stuff for an inordinately long time, maybe, but flat out lying? I really don't know where people get that from.

You either forgot or weren't here when Gaile lied about the GWEN and GW2 leaks in that magazine article... what was it called, Inquiry? Enquiry?

And that's just one instance.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

No, but apparently it takes all of a year of slow content for you to call a game company that's given you thousands of hours of entertainment a bunch of lazy, lying bums who expect free handouts from their customers. Seriously, what the hell is with the polemics? You act like this is the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVAR!!!11 that they get us the free content on time, and you act like this WiK thing getting pushed back is suddenly a deal-breaker for GW, as if you're trying to decide whether or not to buy it. Even if you were, GW would still be worth the price of admission, without any WiK stuff at all. So, yeah, I don't get the anger here, I just don't.

Nope, it took them one lie to turn me from brown-nosed fanboi into someone who can see the truth. And that happened years ago. See above.

GIVEN? Please. I did PAY for it. And please excuse me if I happen to care about the game I paid for. Or in this case, the company that made the game I paid for.

And I'm not angry here. Not at all. Amused, more like.

wetwillyhip

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA, Southern California, Orange County

Tyrian Elements [TyE]

R/Mo

14 May 2010 at 07:17 - 78

From a more logical point of view, none of these arguments that shy away from the original topic are valid:

-The anet team is understaffed, give'm a break
-you don't pay for a subscription game, cut some slack (another sympathy fallacy)
-you played your money's worth, its done
-and any others that I've read through this bickering.

...some ppl are more or less feeling/logical about the subject. (if you don't know what i'm talking about go to the MyersBriggs personality test)

In a logical sense, I side with more with the arguments Cacheelma has presented.

If you've been on gws and around gwsguru for a VERY LONG time, you wouldn't be as defensive if you knew the long history of lost statements Anet has buried.

The main logical argument to this discussion that I agree with, regardless of every argument surrounding accountability, it doesn't do any direct redemption:

a company makes a statement of doing something, they don't do it.
Furthermore, they don't communicate always when it would actually help their reputation and hanging players. It makes the matters usually worse.

I'm sorry but if your small team states something and doesn't do it, maybe you should take again a few more steps back in being confident in your abilities vs. delivery.

But the main issue here is accountability and this is nothing new for many of us who have been here quite longer than many who tend to be more defensive.

Simply put, Regina said fifth anniversary content and skill updates should be around the middle of this month. Well, 2 days from now it will be the middle.

Some of us are just too straight forward with these sorta things, oh well. but thats where we all tend to mold to due to a long history...we're tired of it and we've become quite crass.

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

14 May 2010 at 11:24 - 79

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Originally Posted by wetwillyhip

From a more logical point of view, none of these arguments that shy away from the original topic are valid:

-The anet team is understaffed, give'm a break
-you don't pay for a subscription game, cut some slack (another sympathy fallacy)

What? Here is the OP:

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

So the anniversary festivities were standard ones, the War In Kryta thing is a bit of a non-event and the whole skill situation (no idea what to call it anymore) is on hold. Soooo anyway ETA's for actual new stuff?

You are claiming that the size of the staff and the income produced by their work are not pertinent factors to consider and somehow shy away from that original question? ANet is spending money to produce content for which we will pay no extra, but it is illogical to think that this lack of income has any bearing on the amount of money they are willing to spend? It is a fallacy to think that the amount of money spent has an impact on the amount of content that is produced or the speed with which it can be delivered? It is not valid to point out that the delivery estimates of a small team may be more severely impacted by unanticipated events or difficulties?

Pardon me, but I just can't see how this adds up to a "more logical point of view", nor how those points shy away from the original topic.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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14 May 2010 at 11:37 - 80

Well , update can still happen tonight i guess , since one happened once during doublefame week end . However , if nothing happens , we'll have to wait a while for new content ( or even skill update only ) , with dragon festival , then summer coming ( it will be like , sorry we delay the 2 times delayed update because xx went on holidays ) .

Anyway , fingers crossed for tonight , or at least for a skill update , it's not like it will be fun to face only rt/as + 3 healers , SW + 3 healers , 2 war 2 rupt 3 heal ( you can also add bots for those 3 builds , zzzz ) this week end .