Wouldn't it be smart to take some resources from GW2 and fix GW1 so your loyal fans will even want to play GW2 in the first place? Or is ArenaNet so confident that GW2 is going to blow up and be extremely popular that the fans don't even matter at all..
It's like how blizzard is currently updating Diablo 2 for the sake of future Diablo 3, they're clever.
A lot of us think that GW2 will have the same problems as GW1 in regards to hacking and botting. It's sad to say but if this is true, what is the point of playing GW2 at all?
For the future of Guild Wars 2
ruk1a
Ariovist Lynxkind
I dont think they need to. I would love for them to (then again, I dont cause I want GW2 to be good - excellent on release) but they dont need to. A lot of the people complaining about GW atm will still get GW2 for a look, there will be those who love GW which are going to probably hate GW2, and I would say there will be quite a few new ones coming in that stayed away from GW cause of things like constant instances and lack of Z-Axis (come on, jumping is overrated...)
In short, while they will share the the same lore and all that, I see GW2 as being a different beast to GW1, thus maintaining the current game will have no impact on the player base for GW2.
In short, while they will share the the same lore and all that, I see GW2 as being a different beast to GW1, thus maintaining the current game will have no impact on the player base for GW2.
StormDragonZ
Rather than saying "what ArenaNet is thinking", you should be pondering "what NCSoft is demanding".
As of right now, if GW2 does have the same bugs/problems, then I wont play it. Right now, we know little about GW2 that speculation is 80%+ of all known information.
What ArenaNet should have done is speak up about what they plan to do and not pretend we wouldn't understand any changed plans much earlier, but of course, that's in the past now. Some of us do understand GO RED ENGINE can happen and things can change.
Personally, the only thing worth doing in Guild Wars now, even for new players, is work on filling out the Hall of Monuments. Any new content is welcomed, but besides "having fun" which some people fail to understand at times, the current state of GW1 is title grinding and overall completion/personal fulfillment.
As of right now, if GW2 does have the same bugs/problems, then I wont play it. Right now, we know little about GW2 that speculation is 80%+ of all known information.
What ArenaNet should have done is speak up about what they plan to do and not pretend we wouldn't understand any changed plans much earlier, but of course, that's in the past now. Some of us do understand GO RED ENGINE can happen and things can change.
Personally, the only thing worth doing in Guild Wars now, even for new players, is work on filling out the Hall of Monuments. Any new content is welcomed, but besides "having fun" which some people fail to understand at times, the current state of GW1 is title grinding and overall completion/personal fulfillment.
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Personally, the only thing worth doing in Guild Wars now, even for new players, is work on filling out the Hall of Monuments. Any new content is welcomed, but besides "having fun" which some people fail to understand at times, the current state of GW1 is title grinding and overall completion/personal fulfillment.
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Rather than saying "what ArenaNet is thinking", you should be pondering "what NCSoft is demanding".
As of right now, if GW2 does have the same bugs/problems, then I wont play it. Right now, we know little about GW2 that speculation is 80%+ of all known information. What ArenaNet should have done is speak up about what they plan to do and not pretend we wouldn't understand any changed plans much earlier, but of course, that's in the past now. Some of us do understand GO RED ENGINE can happen and things can change. Personally, the only thing worth doing in Guild Wars now, even for new players, is work on filling out the Hall of Monuments. Any new content is welcomed, but besides "having fun" which some people fail to understand at times, the current state of GW1 is title grinding and overall completion/personal fulfillment. |
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I dont think they need to. I would love for them to (then again, I dont cause I want GW2 to be good - excellent on release) but they dont need to. A lot of the people complaining about GW atm will still get GW2 for a look, there will be those who love GW which are going to probably hate GW2,
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and I would say there will be quite a few new ones coming in that stayed away from GW cause of things like constant instances and lack of Z-Axis (come on, jumping is overrated...)
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In short, while they will share the the same lore and all that, I see GW2 as being a different beast to GW1, thus maintaining the current game will have no impact on the player base for GW2.
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Personally, the only thing worth doing in Guild Wars now, even for new players, is work on filling out the Hall of Monuments. Any new content is welcomed, but besides "having fun" which some people fail to understand at times, the current state of GW1 is title grinding and overall completion/personal fulfillment.
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In it's current state yes... all my fun came from pvp, that has been ruined by botters. I would kill to be able to play guild wars again without being frustrated every time I queue. Really.. it's pathetic, I don't enjoy ANY other MMO and this is what I'm faced with. QQ less and wait for GW2. /endqq
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People aren't asking for rocket science here, there asking them to address a botting problem that will carry over to gw2, any fix they make towards the bots can then be applied to gw2 hacker prevention so its not a waste of time.
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I see the Z-Axis as a negative, I liked using the click to move to get around but now we'll be forced to played WoW style.
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Turning away the market of the gw1 population is a bad business move, I'm not sure what game population your expecting to walk away from the games there already playing to go pick up gw2. They might as well start calling it AoC 2.
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I've always felt that employing a half-dozen to dozen extra staff dedicated to maintaining existing customer relationships with GW1 support would be a good business move for ANet and NCSoft. At $50 a game sold via the online store (keeping all of the revenue), retaining a relatively small number of existing customers that would otherwise be lost would turn a profit on that investment. That doesn't even take into account sales of expansions and paid DLC.
NCSoft is going to burn through millions of dollars marketing GW2. I fail to see how a few television commercials > keeping your existing player base happy with you. Word of mouth and reputation are gold in this business.
Obviously, someone with decision-making authority at NCSoft does not agree with me. Either that person does not think that their support record will significantly influence GW2 sales (which is idiocy), the company's compensation structure is rewarding short-term thinking, or someone has an extremely naive view about the ability of television advertising to attract new customers to a game.
NCSoft is going to burn through millions of dollars marketing GW2. I fail to see how a few television commercials > keeping your existing player base happy with you. Word of mouth and reputation are gold in this business.
Obviously, someone with decision-making authority at NCSoft does not agree with me. Either that person does not think that their support record will significantly influence GW2 sales (which is idiocy), the company's compensation structure is rewarding short-term thinking, or someone has an extremely naive view about the ability of television advertising to attract new customers to a game.
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It's like how blizzard is currently updating Diablo 2 for the sake of future Diablo 3, they're clever.
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own age myname
You're comparing apples to oranges. GW2 is going to be a different monster. If ANet brings back people to GW1, that'll just delay development of GW2. GW1 isn't selling as many boxes as it used to, and bring back more on the live team isn't going to help any.
If you are really unhappy with the way GW1 is going that it will make you not buy GW2; well some other MMO player will take your place. GW2 is going to capture an audience, and it's going to be big. But, this is assuming ANet actually does what they say they are going to do (which I've had no problem with before, besides skill balances...)
If you are really unhappy with the way GW1 is going that it will make you not buy GW2; well some other MMO player will take your place. GW2 is going to capture an audience, and it's going to be big. But, this is assuming ANet actually does what they say they are going to do (which I've had no problem with before, besides skill balances...)
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Besides the gameplay aspect, this is another reason why I see GW2 as being a different beast to GW: they have gone back and started from scratch. They probably do know the faults and have fixed them along the way for GW2, and that is if they were their in the first place since they have built a whole new engine for the game.
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There excuse for botting prevention in gw2 will probably just be the event system where things in areas are changing which I can still see it being botted.
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But the reason I mentioned it is one of the reasons a guy I work with (a WoW player) wont play GW is cause you cant jump. Of course I raised my eyebrows at him like 'what a lame excuse', but there are those kinds of people out there which may actually give GW2 a chance cause of it.
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Jumping in an mmorpg is fun.
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For the first part of this, you are assuming hardcore game loyalty. While it may work for some of them (getting narked off so much they wont come back), for the most they would give GW2 a try. As for those coming in, I wouldnt give firm figures or anything, but I can see some walking away when they see a decent game without subs. one of the main reasons I dont play WoW is because of it being sub-based. (the other, for the record, is cause it looks a bit too cartoony for my liking
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Being honest the only reason why I bought gw was because of the graphics and the only reason I'm here now is because I've been here for so long, if anet wants to make gw1 achievements worthless I will have no problem moving to a game which has the same if not better graphics with all the next gen games coming.
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I can only speak for myself and I for one won't buy gw2 till I hear they have preventions in place to get rid or cripple botting. Whats the point of playing gw2 pvp when a bot can do it better?
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1. They are going to actually have a full live team. Not a small 3/4 person team. Our small GW1 live team is trying to: make content, do skill balanced, fix bugs, and do everything else. With how fasts bots advance, it's hard for such a small team to drop everything to chase bots. But, I do agree, bots are annoying, but they are in every MMO sadly.
2. You can try to deny it, but the event system will stop botting to an extent, with random variables in these events I don't see how a bot could do these. Events sound like a huge portion of the game, and are going to be a good source of income.
3. There won't be no mindless farms, because your skillbar is decided by your weapons. So, gl bots on farming?
But, that's all from a PvE perspective. We don't know too much about the PvP (there's not even a lot of PvE info) to speculate on how bots would work.
But, w/e, you'll probably pick my post apart, and I'm not a good arguer so meh
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You're comparing apples to oranges. GW2 is going to be a different monster. If ANet brings back people to GW1, that'll just delay development of GW2. GW1 isn't selling as many boxes as it used to, and bring back more on the live team isn't going to help any.
If you are really unhappy with the way GW1 is going that it will make you not buy GW2; well some other MMO player will take your place. GW2 is going to capture an audience, and it's going to be big. But, this is assuming ANet actually does what they say they are going to do (which I've had no problem with before, besides skill balances...) |
You have don't have to worry about the skill updates in gw2 they made the builds so retard easy that there's little for customization.
snaek
leave the bot discussion in the bot thread plz...
back on topic, i think the op already answered his own question:
imo any decision made in terms of gw1 development i think will be based on if it will make any money from gw1--either through campaign purchases, or microtransaction purchases--and not based on if it will sell copies of gw2.
back on topic, i think the op already answered his own question:
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There's no apples or oranges this all comes from the same tree, people are upset with gw1 because of the botting a problem you fail to see that it will carry over. Unless your going to like playing a game where bots can do everything better than you with none of the effort than by all means enjoy.
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Ya, but name another MMO that's relatively popular that has the low number of bots GW1 has (seriously, Aion and WoW, for example, bots run rampant). It's going to be even better for GW2 because:
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1. They are going to actually have a full live team. Not a small 3/4 person team.
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2. You can try to deny it, but the event system will stop botting to an extent, with random variables in these events I don't see how a bot could do these. Events sound like a huge portion of the game, and are going to be a good source of income.
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3. There won't be no mindless farms, because your skillbar is decided by your weapons. So, gl bots on farming?
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But, w/e, you'll probably pick my post apart, and I'm not a good arguer so meh
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Please explain how it will carry over? Bots don't have brains, they are just lines of script. If you don't know already, GW2's PvP is going to be about using brains, not Build Wars. Explain to me how a bot will situate itself in an environment that's ever-changing as the battle goes on. Especially with the fact you will now be able to have more then 1 skillset with you.
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GW is coming up on a 5 year+ age there's been many innovative botting preventions created in that time window which would interesting if gw will get up to date.
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Basically, it comes down to NCSoft/ANet not wanting to hire more people for GW1...
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I am not sure what OP is getting at but it would be nice to see some of the features added to GW.It would be nice to see persistent areas as well as z xis even if it means taking down the server rebuilding the game engine.I would more or less still play GW as I am not liking to what I am hearing about GW2.
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Again, with the little Live Team, they can't. It's a matter of resources. If they take back people from GW2, it'll make people waiting for GW2 angry. But, when they are leaving the employees where they are suppose to be, some other people want them to work on GW1, when it isn't their job to. It's a double-edged sword for them. And, frankly, I'd side with the people who are waiting for GW2, because atleast they care about ANet.
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I don't know how bots work to much, as I've never have touched one and never will. But, I'm sure they are pretty advanced and could do that. It'll be up to Anet to set up barriers for bots. They did it for GW1 for years, until they took people off the teams and started on GW2.
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Because some daggers are going to have Shadow Form on the preset^^?
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Putting a build on and then weapon then run a bot, not hard.
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Please explain how it will carry over? Bots don't have brains, they are just lines of script. If you don't know already, GW2's PvP is going to be about using brains, not Build Wars. Explain to me how a bot will situate itself in an environment that's ever-changing as the battle goes on. Especially with the fact you will now be able to have more then 1 skillset with you.
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Ya, but name another MMO that's relatively popular that has the low number of bots GW1 has (seriously, Aion and WoW, for example, bots run rampant).
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Do you know how an aimbot works in an FPS? That's what we're going up against.
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You should have linked to something because I don't know what Blizzard did, if it's just a patch like they make every 2 years or so now I don't see it as anything speicial.
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I worry because I want GW2 to be good, not easily compromised by hackers. Why wouldn't I worry? With everything gone wrong in GW1 I think I SHOULD be worried lol.
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Obviously despite what Anet says, GW2 will not be a serious/legitimate esport if they can't even fix what they started in GW1 regarding botting.
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I see the Z-Axis as a negative, I liked using the click to move to get around but now we'll be forced to played WoW style.
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You can't have a serious e-sport where major competitions are played over the Internet. That's the other half of the problem.
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You can click to move in WoW. If the reason GW2 has no CTM is because they are adding a proper z-axis (I haven't read this anywhere, so I'm not sure of where exactly you are coming from), then I'm going to be cracking a whole lot more jokes about their programmers than I already do.
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You can click to move in WoW. If the reason GW2 has no CTM is because they are adding a proper z-axis (I haven't read this anywhere, so I'm not sure of where exactly you are coming from), then I'm going to be cracking a whole lot more jokes about their programmers than I already do.
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You can find it under controls.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/click-move-t88.html
And here's a discussion about it.
Eragon Zarroc
they are doing stuff in gw1... war in kryta ring a bell???
fireflyry
It's only the passionate hardcore that really care which is a minority issue.
GW2 will sell like hotcakes, regardless of the fact a few jaded vets have had their noses put out of place or feel that Anet is obligated to cater to their every need or complaint, justifiable or not.
To think otherwise is highly delusional.
These problems would have more merit if they had been a release issue, as opposed to ones that occurred 5 years down the track.
GW has also changed it's focus to more PvE orientated content which has made these issues even less relevant considering this also appears to be the way GW2 is going.
They also have more money than they know what to do with.
GW2 will sell like hotcakes, regardless of the fact a few jaded vets have had their noses put out of place or feel that Anet is obligated to cater to their every need or complaint, justifiable or not.
To think otherwise is highly delusional.
These problems would have more merit if they had been a release issue, as opposed to ones that occurred 5 years down the track.
GW has also changed it's focus to more PvE orientated content which has made these issues even less relevant considering this also appears to be the way GW2 is going.
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I don't know what the definition of a "proper z-axis" is or why its so much better than what games such as WoW use
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At any rate, I am fully aware that GW2 will not feature CTM. I am questioning why NN implied that it is because ArenaNet is finally getting with the times and making an engine with a proper z-axis, like nearly every other game on the market has featured for years. I have read nothing from ArenaNet stating that the reason for CTM being axed was linked to their decision to create an engine that doesn't allow body-blocking from underneath bridges.
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I am questioning why NN implied that it is because ArenaNet is finally getting with the times and making an engine with a proper z-axis, like nearly every other game on the market has featured for years. I have read nothing from ArenaNet stating that the reason for CTM being axed was linked to their decision to create an engine that doesn't allow body-blocking from underneath bridges.
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Then if you would be so kind as to post a source...
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Guys I'm from the future and the game sucks anyway.
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NN, the discussion on GW2G was purely opinionated. It was more of an open question to see if people didn't mind losing C2M when given a Z-Axis with WASD-only movement. There is nothing stopping the Z-Axis and C2M from existing together in the same game. As Theo suggests, if for some odd reason Anet can't implement both for coding reasons then I'd have to agree that their programmers are very laughable. However, I'm guessing that the reason C2M was axed was due to design purposes. If you've been following the GW2 info releases (which I'm shamefully behind on), you'll realize that they're trying hard to complete re-innovate and reinvent Guild Wars. Getting rid of C2M was no doubt a design decision, and after reading about how they plan on making skill combos and combat work it really doesn't surprise me.
Basically, in no way shape or form are Click-to-Move and having a Z-Axis mutually exclusive. Getting rid of Click-to-Move was most likely a design decision and has nothing to do with coding problems caused between having both of them in the same game.
Basically, in no way shape or form are Click-to-Move and having a Z-Axis mutually exclusive. Getting rid of Click-to-Move was most likely a design decision and has nothing to do with coding problems caused between having both of them in the same game.
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Then if you would be so kind as to post a source...
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It's only the passionate hardcore that really care which is a minority issue.
GW2 will sell like hotcakes, regardless of the fact a few jaded vets have had their noses put out of place or feel that Anet is obligated to cater to their every need or complaint, justifiable or not. To think otherwise is highly delusional. These problems would have more merit if they had been a release issue, as opposed to ones that occurred 5 years down the track. |
I don't see how anyone can ignore or play gw1-2 pvp ruled by bots.
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they are doing stuff in gw1... war in kryta ring a bell???
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I'm not sure what source your asking for, I said they should get with the times on botting prevention but in regards to click to move I only said I didn't like it.
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I see the Z-Axis as a negative, I liked using the click to move to get around but now we'll be forced to played WoW style.
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If your comment on CTM was completely unrelated, then why was it in the same sentence that was started in response to something completely unrelated to CTM?
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The War in Kryta is stuff? I haven't seen anything yet......
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Zora/Gwdat
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Basically, in no way shape or form are Click-to-Move and having a Z-Axis mutually exclusive. Getting rid of Click-to-Move was most likely a design decision and has nothing to do with coding problems caused between having both of them in the same game.
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Then......wut?
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Thanks for the heads up on the quote mistake.
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They actually added in new shining blade weapons in the last update that aren't out yet I cant wait to see it.
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Hmm....seems like I still haven't seen anything yet. And I have a feeling these weapons will cost real-world money in a BMP format.
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