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Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

28 May 2010 at 05:46 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

That was my problem with the update. I run a lyssa's aura bar on my Mesmer and I've always used Overload as a reliable method of keeping it active.

WW. There ya go.

Overload requires timing now, ohnoes!

Also: Faulken runs weren't fun. They were grindtastic. Boss bounties are at least cute little battles (with dialog, apparently) that people PUG (successfully, in my experience, I might add, probably because most people who are doing these quests are involved enough on forums to know how to complete the WiK quest chain). Bounties should be more rewarding than some repetitive farmable content, that's just the logical way to do things.

ManlyMan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2010

28 May 2010 at 06:02 - 42

i love this. poor newbs raging ingame cause they can't handle hm and its not worth it, and how the bosses in hm are too hard. hahaha , this is awesome. People will need to learn to party or get better :'D

betterjonjon

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Knights and Heroes [Beer]

Mo/

28 May 2010 at 06:07 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

WW. There ya go.

Overload requires timing now, ohnoes!

Also: Faulken runs weren't fun. They were grindtastic. Boss bounties are at least cute little battles (with dialog, apparently) that people PUG (successfully, in my experience, I might add, probably because most people who are doing these quests are involved enough on forums to know how to complete the WiK quest chain). Bounties should be more rewarding than some repetitive farmable content, that's just the logical way to do things.

But most of the Q.Q should be coming from the point of view that the people who sat there for 3-4 days constantly farming them will be way better off now. Especially since the normal people who don't like grind have basically only a single quest to get war supplies now. THAT is stupid.

Reflect

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

W/

28 May 2010 at 06:23 - 44

too bad those bounties have RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING DIALOGUES AGAIN.... i have to wait 2 minutes for some pointless dialogues, that make no sence.....

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

28 May 2010 at 06:29 - 45

Okay, if they reduced the reward of Courier Falken (and makes you do HM to get only 6 War Supplies), at least they should REDUCE the cost to buy a Royal Gift for the following reasons:

1) Courier Falken runs is pretty much the ONLY way to farm an unlimited amount of War Supplies (other than killing random Peacekeeprs and White Mantle that drop Confessor's Orders). Seeing that Peacekeepers and White Mantle are a sorry pain in the ass to fight in HM, trying to escort Falken while fighting level 26 foes with well rounded skills would be really hard (not sure if it is possible or not, and I'm not sure if the DwG spike team still works here). I heard it takes around 8 minutes to escort Falken in Watchtower Coast with DwG team. Considering that it takes 24 minutes to get ONE Royal Gift now as you are rewarded 6 War Supplies in HM, if you plan to get a full stack of Royal Gifts via Courier Falken, it would take about 15,000 minutes/250 hours/~11 days non-stop (plus the time to rezone to get Falken to spawn) to get a full stack of Royal Gifts. Heck, the cost of getting Gift of the Huntsman, Wintersday Gift, and Red Gift Bags happens to be more reasonable than getting a Royal Gift.

2) Fighting the Peacekeeper/White Mantle bosses from the bounties happen to be a pain in the ass. You might end up spending hours to try and kill a boss. Well, not really, I killed Inspector Bauer in HM using the Discordway build with my ritualist and it took around 30 minutes. Needless to say, it was really hard because 1) my ritualist haven't reached to the point in Prophecies where I can infuse armor (although I did happen to have access to Droknar's Forge), and 2) Even when the henchmen in HM are in level 20, they aren't infused.

Oh yeah, if you are wondering how I managed to kill Jack Bauer, my ritualist SPIRITS managed to kill him while I almost was about to get wiped and my party already dead.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

28 May 2010 at 06:33 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

1) Courier Falken runs is pretty much the ONLY way to farm an unlimited amount of War Supplies

And why do you need unlimited amounts of war supplies?

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

28 May 2010 at 06:45 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

And why do you need unlimited amounts of war supplies?

To get more Royal Gifts. I want get those new Summoning Stones where it spawns THREE Shining Blade allies. Probably useful for my ritualist due to Spawning Power (I'm not sure if summons from summoning stones are affected by Spawning Power, but I do know that Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and the Asuran summons does gain benefits from Spawning Power and related skills).

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

28 May 2010 at 06:56 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

They messed it up, the reward from the courier was way too high making people not bother with the quests.

The rewards for Courier runs weren't the problem (although the gold nerf was deserved) it was the pitiful rewards from the bounties.

My entire Guild was doing courier runs yesterday. Now none of them touch WiK stuff, there simply is no reason to. People who were puging with guildies and enjoying a farm they could actually do (and many found challenging) spent a couple of hours dieing and failing in HM and then gave up. I went back to Discordway (I hate triple necro but for HM it's just so much easier to bring three monks with a stupid DPS skill and tonnes of back up heals. especially with a courier) and stopped running a fun warrior build I was using and started running a lame caller build, just to complete the runs in HM.

I started a thread talking about things I loved about WiK and I wish I hadn't of because they killed the exact thing I loved for myself and my entire guild. HM means I need to bring PvE skills and optimum builds instead of the things I enjoyed bringing.

Now that War Supplies have the A-Net grind built into them maybe we should start botting for them because it now takes hours for tangible rewards. GG Grind Net. I'm glad to see Lynsey adopted your philosophy so eagerly with this update. Really looking forward to the grinds you put in GW2.

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

Me/E

28 May 2010 at 07:12 - 49

Did the 2 of the 3 boss bounties posted today (left out the one in Kessex peak due to lack of time). Both were done in HM. They were challenging but not super difficult. Didn't have to pop any cons except for a summoning stone.

Got 60 supplies in less than 20 min. This is better than escorting silly Courier.

Courier escort got nerfed bad. Why waste 8 min in NM to get 3 supplies or 20 min in HM to get 6 supplies, when I can beat some sense into the bosses in less than half that time?

Plus, they should increase the drop-rate on greens for Courier now that the 'farm' is nerfed to oblivion, just to leave some incentive for others.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

28 May 2010 at 07:13 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

You need consets to vanq? Seriously? And it's worth farming for the vanq time you save? You've already mentioned running spirits, I don't see how you can screw that up, let alone the majority of the WiK content. (I hear Bauer is a bitch, but everything else was fairly straightforward with standard spiritway.)

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

28 May 2010 at 07:16 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

To get more Royal Gifts. I want get those new Summoning Stones where it spawns THREE Shining Blade allies. Probably useful for my ritualist due to Spawning Power (I'm not sure if summons from summoning stones are affected by Spawning Power, but I do know that Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and the Asuran summons does gain benefits from Spawning Power and related skills).

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

I must admit I can't even begin to understand your mindset.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

The rewards for Courier runs weren't the problem

Your opinion vs mine, your opinion isn't more fact than mine.

Skinny Corpse

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Company of Corpses [CoC]

28 May 2010 at 07:49 - 52

Wow, those Jade Cloaks are mean.
But... getting a Scroll of Adventurers Insight from a Royal Gift is.. not that much fun, really.

Feathermoore Rep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

PM me for JACT Invite

Feathermoore Clan

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 07:59 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

You need consets to vanq? Seriously? And it's worth farming for the vanq time you save? You've already mentioned running spirits, I don't see how you can screw that up, let alone the majority of the WiK content. (I hear Bauer is a bitch, but everything else was fairly straightforward with standard spiritway.)

Hey now. Some people in this game think HM is challenging. :-p

Totally was worth farming the crap of those war supplies. I mean anything that nets roughtly 150k in less than three hours is great farming. Plus you got 1k gold for each run. What was aNet thinking in this gem of a quest.

But at least these mobs in HM are fun to play against since they have semi-legit builds. Its how the AI should of been scaled before.

And lawl at the mind wrack.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

28 May 2010 at 08:01 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

I must admit I can't even begin to understand your mindset.

It's possible you don;t understand their mindset because it appears they farmed War Supplies so they could actually use the rewards to boost their experience actually playing the game. They didn't consider farming the War Supplies an activity they did in substitute for playing the game (aka 123412341234 farming) nor did they do it simply for financial profit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

Your opinion vs mine, your opinion isn't more fact than mine.

No, I didn't say my opinion was fact. I put across my view and then I explained why I believed that was the case. It's good to see you've described what I did rather than discuss the reasoning I gave and why your opinion disagrees with mine.

sixdartbart

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Peace Machine GRRR [DiE]

W/N

28 May 2010 at 08:30 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

(I hear Bauer is a bitch, but everything else was fairly straightforward with standard spiritway.)

I keep hearing that too.
Don't believe em.

I ran up to where he is with just my warrior and trusty necro heroes {still hate Alesia to much to take her anywhere and the other baby henchies aren't much better} and somehow got distracted waiting for the dialog to finish, failed to notice they got physical with my friends and by the time I returned the fight was half over.
The pop ups all seemed to start beating the crap out of the villagers so it wasn't like getting swarmed by 30 jades and mantle at once.

Hated Killing Jack, now they can't make the 24 movie

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 May 2010 at 09:02 - 56

Falken, ouch. It really seems too severe. I mean, even full-human teams only got enough War Supplies per hour from him, to get 7 or 8 Royal Gifts. That's 7 or 8 gifts that mostly contain junk. Was that really so abusive?

Hmmm... if they felt such a nerf was necessary, does it mean Medals of Honour are going to be extremely valuable, and A-Net wants to keep their numbers down? Otherwise, they could have just increased the bounty rewards.

Poor Falken. How many people will bother to escort him now? Is he eternally doomed to die horrible deaths now?

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

28 May 2010 at 09:22 - 57

It was good while it lasted, 36 war supplies every 10-12 minutes. The new bounties were fun though.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 May 2010 at 09:30 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

It was good while it lasted, 36 war supplies every 10-12 minutes. The new bounties were fun though.

How was this possible? I was going with DwG teams between Beetletun and Divinity Coast, minimum 5 minutes per run (+ time getting Falken to spawn). That's 24 War Supplies in 10 minutes, at best.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

28 May 2010 at 09:51 - 59

Doing triple account runs, playing 1 character with its 3 heroes and having 2 accounts just run along to cash in the reward. Pretty easy on normal mode, and despite runs being a lot slower, the triple reward made it more profitable than DwG (whatever that means, I never figured that out).

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 09:58 - 60

Not sure why people are whinging about this update.
First, they toned down what was a grindy grindy run which involved bringing a cookie cutter build to run it quickly, and which had well overblown rewards for how fast it could be done.

Second, they changed it so that the element of the WiK stuff that requires you to actually PLAY (the bounties) now reaps more rewards and now you're complaining its too HARD? Play it in easy mode if you want it easy, play it in Hard mode if you want it to be HARD! *brain explosion*
People are never happy.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 May 2010 at 10:03 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

Doing triple account runs, playing 1 character with its 3 heroes and having 2 accounts just run along to cash in the reward. Pretty easy on normal mode, and despite runs being a lot slower, the triple reward made it more profitable than DwG (whatever that means, I never figured that out).

Ah, I see.

DwG is Destructive was Glaive.
You join a team where everybody has that.
Carry the ashes at all times.
Run at mobs, recast DwG (which forces you to drop the ashes you're already carrying)
Immediately drop the ashes again, for a "double drop"
It's a massive AoE spike, mobs die almost instantly if the team is coordinated.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

28 May 2010 at 10:07 - 62

At first I was "oooh they finally balanced rewards!" but if the bounties are even harder...I already had problems with some of the old ones (I know, I'm really weak) and thinking to stop cause the rewards weren't worth the time and effort taken, but now if the new ones will be havoc for me...I will really give up. Unless the 3 a day are all of diferent difficulties..

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 May 2010 at 10:08 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Not sure why people are whinging about this update.
First, they toned down what was a grindy grindy run which involved bringing a cookie cutter build to run it quickly,

You like that they made it even more grindy? Or a worthless grind?

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

and which had well overblown rewards for how fast it could be done.

You call 7 or 8 Royals Gifts, or 4 medals, and a few plat per hour "overblown"?! When the gifts mostly contain junk?

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

28 May 2010 at 10:10 - 64

Made Bauer with some chars today.

1 Infuse... if your char from another campain, or you buy a new armor set... infuse... just to remember heros/henchs share infuse with you, if you dont have all party is fu...

2 Numbers and types of foes are random, you can get a easy spawn or a very hard one. who say, Bauer is easy, maybe get a easy spawn.

My personal experince after some easy runs and another hards trys, any good player can balance heros, improve build, and kill Bauer with any real trouble, just some trys, or maybe a easy spawn.

edit, all done in HM

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 10:34 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot Narita

You like that they made it even more grindy? Or a worthless grind?

You call 7 or 8 Royals Gifts, or 4 medals, and a few plat per hour "overblown"?! When the gifts mostly contain junk?

I like that they scaled the rewards in line with the time/effort involved, yes.

And, as indicated by the statement above, I do believe that 7/8 royal gifts an hour is overblown.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

28 May 2010 at 10:44 - 66

Brauers was actually easy. Much easier than yesterdays for exampe. Being infused helps, of course.

trankle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

BloodBath & Beyond

Rt/

28 May 2010 at 10:46 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

(my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI).

I'm not sure if an unscrupulous guildie has been selling you tickets to vanquish or something like that, but let me assure you, vanquishing is absolutely free. In fact, you should be making money by doing it.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 May 2010 at 10:46 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

I like that they scaled the rewards in line with the time/effort involved, yes.

Falken in normal mode will now get you 2-3K and 1 Royal Gift per hour.
And that gift will most likely contain a blue XP scroll.
And you think that is a reward that's "in line" for 1 hour's effort.

Uhuh. I won't be paying any attention to your opinions/trolling in future.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 10:59 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot Narita

Falken in normal mode will now get you 2-3K and 1 Royal Gift per hour.
And that gift will most likely contain a blue XP scroll.
And you think that is an "appropriate reward" for 1 hour's effort.

Uhuh. I won't be paying any attention to your opinions/trolling in future.

Theres also a number of bounties at the moment, 2 giving 20+10 in HM, and the kessex peak one gets you 10+5 - thats 5 gifts. And you don't always get scrolls, sometimes you get cons, minis, medals etc etc.

I think the point is, Anet do not want you to be farming it. I'm not sure why you are so sure you should be able to? Overblown reward, grindy grindy, blah blah, wah wah, QQ, whatever.

-Martian-

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/

28 May 2010 at 11:13 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Not sure why people are whinging about this update.

Ppl are greedy.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

28 May 2010 at 11:19 - 71

I won't have a definite opinion until I see what happens later today when the new wanted quests arrive. The two inquisitors were fun, and worth the trouble. If more like these appear daily, I'll be pretty happy. I will have to put some more characters through the preliminaries to gain access to the castle though, doing the bounties just once doesn't add up to many supplies.

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

28 May 2010 at 11:24 - 72

ugh, annoying courier update -_- didn't even get to do it that much, *sigh*

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

28 May 2010 at 12:30 - 73

I was wondering when they'd 'rebalance' the rewards from Falken, Anet almost always seems to fail badly when adding new rewards, so this was expected (see: Zaishen coins)... the rewards in HM are about the same as they were before? Cool, I've been doing it in HM anyway...

Edit: Gah, they didn't at least remove the blue XP scrolls from the gifts

Improvavel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 May 2010 at 12:51 - 74

Falken runs were hit too hard.

If anet simply want to stop the massive overfarm just limit the amount of falken runs you can do per day with each character/account - give characters or accounts "falken points" like "dishonour" for PvP and then you get an "hex" that stops Falken from spawning.

Sincerely the new rewards for Falken makes it not worth the trouble.

The wanted bounties clearly needed to be improved - 4 war supplies was ridiculous.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

28 May 2010 at 12:59 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Martian-

Ppl are greedy.

Courier Falken was never more profitable than speed clears or even ecto farming. It was less efficient than the most profitable farms, Falken was just doable by almost everyone using any build.

You might be an elitist who believes only people who play with permasins and cookie cutter builds in elite areas should be able to make some money, but I disagree.

People are upset because the game gave us a way to make money without playing in HM or running a cookie cutter speed clear build. They liked playing any class they wanted with any build they wanted and they didn't suffer for bringing guildies or friends, in fact is was more fun to do that. The game gave us that and then took it away because apparently everything has to be a grind or reserved for gimmick SC builds.

Jk)Phoenix

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Pizza's Town

I've Quit GW ^^

E/

28 May 2010 at 13:08 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Courier Falken was never more profitable than speed clears or even ecto farming. It was less efficient than the most profitable farms, Falken was just doable by almost everyone using any build.

You might be an elitist who believes only people who play with permasins and cookie cutter builds in elite areas should be able to make some money, but I disagree.

People are upset because the game gave us a way to make money without playing in HM or running a cookie cutter speed clear build. They liked playing any class they wanted with any build they wanted and they didn't suffer for bringing guildies or friends, in fact is was more fun to do that. The game gave us that and then took it away because apparently everything has to be a grind or reserved for gimmick SC builds.

i agree with ya, hope regina and other guys will read this... and understand.
they are killing all the fun.

tazer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tiny Siege Turtles

28 May 2010 at 13:13 - 77

Boosting rewards for bounties was fine, but nerfing Falken made its totally wortless to do.
Farming for an HOUR [in NM for an average, casual gamer like me] to get ONE Royal Gift that will almost certainly give me crappy item is NOT fun, it's the grindiest grind possible.
Seriously, those runs were the reason why after many years I was still logging in just for an hour or two last days, did them, had some fun and that's it. Now I'm totally not going to bother, will only do bouties and bye bye for a day. If that's how they want to keep the active player base and good standing economy, then GG. Please gimme the WiK final then and cya in few months, probably.
/totallydisapprove

Death Heavens

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

CT, USA

Defenders of the North [EYE]

N/

28 May 2010 at 13:14 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Courier Falken was never more profitable than speed clears or even ecto farming. It was less efficient than the most profitable farms, Falken was just doable by almost everyone using any build.

You might be an elitist who believes only people who play with permasins and cookie cutter builds in elite areas should be able to make some money, but I disagree.

People are upset because the game gave us a way to make money without playing in HM or running a cookie cutter speed clear build. They liked playing any class they wanted with any build they wanted and they didn't suffer for bringing guildies or friends, in fact is was more fun to do that. The game gave us that and then took it away because apparently everything has to be a grind or reserved for gimmick SC builds.

I feel the same way... It was fun while it lasted and I had something to do while spending all day home.
Off to find another pasttime I guess... Boo!!! Anet...

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 13:20 - 79

Unfortunately, what is fun is very different between each person. What you are describing there doesn't sound like a challenge - thats what I find fun. I totally understand the enjoyment behind being able to play what you want, but I can see the logic behind giving more rewards to those who play it in HM and (considering the way it was being advertised on guru and flooded with players in game) I understand that it was a far too fast way to get war supplies for such low difficulty. It simply wasn't balanced.

The harder the challenge in game, the greater the reward.
The easier the challenge, the lesser the reward.

Thats how every single game on the market today works.

Rebelor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

28 May 2010 at 13:36 - 80

apparently if u wipe twice on a bounty, u now go back to town similar to a mission instead of a res shrine. this happen to any 1 else?