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Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

28 May 2010 at 13:48 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebelor

apparently if u wipe twice on a bounty, u now go back to town similar to a mission instead of a res shrine. this happen to any 1 else?

I think someone was saying there was a problem with the res shrine being too close to the gates of Kryta so that sometimes you rezed and zoned.

As for those complaining about the Courier, as long as you are aware that a jade (at least in hm, haven't tried in nm) now spawns with the pop up group just before the ravine where the sin/ranger spawn is, the run isn't all that bad in hm. Just finished in hm with two spirit rits and a mm hero. Took 11 minutes The jade spawn is about the only dangerous spot. If the jade targets Falken it can be hard to keep him alive.

6 war supplies as a reward is a bit low to want to farm this for gifts but as long as the (hopefully) new weapons or whatever only require one medal each it would certainly be worth doing now and then.

Kharmin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Far Shiverpeaks

Clan Quarren [QRRN]

R/

28 May 2010 at 14:34 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazer

Boosting rewards for bounties was fine, but nerfing Falken made its totally wortless to do.
Farming for an HOUR [in NM for an average, casual gamer like me] to get ONE Royal Gift that will almost certainly give me crappy item is NOT fun, it's the grindiest grind possible.
Seriously, those runs were the reason why after many years I was still logging in just for an hour or two last days, did them, had some fun and that's it. Now I'm totally not going to bother, will only do bouties and bye bye for a day. If that's how they want to keep the active player base and good standing economy, then GG. Please gimme the WiK final then and cya in few months, probably.
/totallydisapprove

Yeah, I'm in the same proverbial boat, being a casual NM gamer.

Guess I missed my chance last week to store up.

macke

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Serbia-Belgrade

W/

28 May 2010 at 14:43 - 83

Finally courier nerf :P That was 50-60k/h for one very easy task...

frostkisses

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wisconsin

Cerberus Guardians of the [GATE]

E/

28 May 2010 at 14:47 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Unfortunately, what is fun is very different between each person.

Very true, but I feel anywhere you can give the opportunity for players of all levels to PuG...is a success.

Quote:

The harder the challenge in game, the greater the reward.
The easier the challenge, the lesser the reward.

Then why not just boost the HM reward for those die hard HM junkies? Theres always bound to be someone that would rather die several hundred times for say..10 more supplies in HM (I know I would). I dont see the need for them to drop the reward on NM to 2-3. Maybe 6, but 2-3 is just not something I'm gonna go outta my way to get while I'm in the area. Then again 6 in HM against these mobs isnt something I'll be farming either...reward does not equal the effort here. And makes the couriers addition pretty pointless...

IMO a good balance would be something like 6 in NM and 15 in HM.

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

28 May 2010 at 14:52 - 85

The courier nerf was way overboard.

2 supplies per run means you need to do it 8 times to get enough for 1 gift. Even in Hard Mode 3 runs, and since he is not infused he dies REALLY fast if he is the target of the jade.

It's almost more efficient to just farm peacekeepers for confessor orders now.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

28 May 2010 at 15:20 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebelor

apparently if u wipe twice on a bounty, u now go back to town similar to a mission instead of a res shrine. this happen to any 1 else?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

I think someone was saying there was a problem with the res shrine being too close to the gates of Kryta so that sometimes you rezed and zoned.

Yes, it was discussed in the "new bounties" thread. It happened to me a lot, not on second wipe but random, it's very annoying. I was only able to complete than one bounty with no death at all.

Apart from that I totally have to eat back what I've said here previously about new bounties. They're not too difficult (cerris and some other were waaaaay more) and I had fun doing them, both for the new dialogues and for the new teams composition. A nice challenge but not frustrating.

Also..uhmm..it's me being lucky today and totally unlucky before of they changed drops? Before I was only getting crappy drops, all whites (and even poor ones, like 20 golds each) and trophies. Today I had more normal drops for hm (tomes, pass-partout, dyes and weapons more on 100golds).

Oh and the drakes with peacekeeper mobs. Is it me who did never notice them or are they new (well not from today but not even from the beginning)?

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

28 May 2010 at 15:26 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Oh and the drakes with peacekeeper mobs. Is it me who did never notice them or are they new (well not from today but not even from the beginning)?

Nope, drakes have been there all along - not sure if they are independent or if they act as a pet for one kind of peacekeeper or another.

frostkisses

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wisconsin

Cerberus Guardians of the [GATE]

E/

28 May 2010 at 15:32 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Nope, drakes have been there all along - not sure if they are independent or if they act as a pet for one kind of peacekeeper or another.

when you ping them they say "Pet-Drake"

Kharmin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Far Shiverpeaks

Clan Quarren [QRRN]

R/

28 May 2010 at 15:43 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostkisses

when you ping them they say "Pet-Drake"

Charmable? That'd be cool.

:: Shakes Magic 8-Ball ::

"My sources say No"

Rats.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

28 May 2010 at 15:54 - 90

Uh, I read only drakes and not pet-drakes, strange thing. And they're many in a single group, so many classes having a pet?

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

28 May 2010 at 16:00 - 91

I have 6 characters doing these...all NM I dont find HM really appealing (though with my hero set up--mm, sos, and monk--I have had very little issues running thru the mobs inluding bauer quite quickly, and no I dont bring the totally useless henchies along--olias has enough bodies without them).

I really would like them to release what the heck the medals are for so we can decide IF we want whatever it is they will be exchanged for or not----so I can convert all mine to royal gifts with my .000000000000000000000000000001 chance of getting a mini (blue scrolls ftl)

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

28 May 2010 at 16:05 - 92

Only 1 wanted quest today for a whopping 4 supplies.

So much for adjusting rewards...

El Presidente

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lookout Post #1, Andes Mountains

Custer Was Ganked [7th]

R/

28 May 2010 at 16:09 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Only 1 wanted quest today for a whopping 4 supplies.

So much for adjusting rewards...

Yeah, did they forget to adjust the reward for the morning quest or ?

frostkisses

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wisconsin

Cerberus Guardians of the [GATE]

E/

28 May 2010 at 16:14 - 94

I expect to see "a new build of guildwars is available" sometime rather soon....

kanuks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

28 May 2010 at 16:19 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

To get more Royal Gifts. I want get those new Summoning Stones where it spawns THREE Shining Blade allies. Probably useful for my ritualist due to Spawning Power (I'm not sure if summons from summoning stones are affected by Spawning Power, but I do know that Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and the Asuran summons does gain benefits from Spawning Power and related skills).

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

You really need cons to vanquish? What about get some skills instead? That'll spare you a lot of money.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

28 May 2010 at 16:44 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Presidente

Yeah, did they forget to adjust the reward for the morning quest or ?

well in all fairness it isn't exactly a long trip to get to this one

El Presidente

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lookout Post #1, Andes Mountains

Custer Was Ganked [7th]

R/

28 May 2010 at 16:50 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

well in all fairness it isn't exactly a long trip to get to this one

Neither were the 2 from last night; however, I'm just going by yesterday's update that said they've readjusted the rewards for these bounties...this one hasn't been.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

28 May 2010 at 17:11 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Overload requires timing now, ohnoes!

As someone who used Overload before the buff, I brought it specifically for it's quick recharge. So if I'm lagging, miss hitting the skill, it screws up what I'm trying to do now. As I said, I'd prefer it pre-buff instead of in this state.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

28 May 2010 at 17:14 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Unfortunately, what is fun is very different between each person. What you are describing there doesn't sound like a challenge - thats what I find fun. I totally understand the enjoyment behind being able to play what you want, but I can see the logic behind giving more rewards to those who play it in HM and (considering the way it was being advertised on guru and flooded with players in game) I understand that it was a far too fast way to get war supplies for such low difficulty. It simply wasn't balanced.

The harder the challenge in game, the greater the reward.
The easier the challenge, the lesser the reward.

Thats how every single game on the market today works.

If you want a challenge you can play in DoA or UW or HM dungeons. Just because some people like their game to be difficult doesn't mean all of us enjoy that. None of the rewards for War Supplies were the same as the elite areas so this was just a nice casual reward for casual play. Some of us enjoy casual play with casual builds and casual teams. It's a shame we can't do that and make money/get some items unless it's a grind.

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

28 May 2010 at 17:31 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanuks

You really need cons to vanquish? What about get some skills instead? That'll spare you a lot of money.

Look, even if I have proper skill setup with my heroes and pick up the henchies, vanquishing is still a pain in the ass. That's why consets are really needed for vanquishing. Consider Joko's Domain, which is a total hellhole to vanquish (and I need help on that).

Laraja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Somewhere over the rainbow

Descendents of Honor

Rt/

28 May 2010 at 18:44 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Also: Faulken runs weren't fun. They were grindtastic. Boss bounties are at least cute little battles (with dialog, apparently) that people PUG (successfully, in my experience, I might add, probably because most people who are doing these quests are involved enough on forums to know how to complete the WiK quest chain). Bounties should be more rewarding than some repetitive farmable content, that's just the logical way to do things.

QFT.

Have to admit I was first a little irritated at the Falken nerf (it did seem way easy for the reward), but when Anet more than made up for it with the Wanted bounties I actually feel... relieved that the grindfest is over. Those runs weren't fun at all. I was, however, very much enjoying the wanted bounties despite the low reward. It's nice to see that the rewards are buffed accordingly.

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

28 May 2010 at 18:56 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

It's nice to see that the rewards are buffed accordingly.

Ask me how I know you haven't done today's yet. People ran Falken because these piddly 3/1 bounties are a joke.

tazer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tiny Siege Turtles

28 May 2010 at 18:58 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm

QFT.
It's nice to see that the rewards are buffed accordingly.

Guess what... not anymore!

Today's bounty is again for 3-4 War Supplies, lol.
So basically what they've done they added two rewarding bounties and that's it, the rest is nefred. And of course Falken runs with NOTinfused Falken vs Spectral Agony ftw, you all got your demanding content

Too bad that DoA is still more profitable and the rest of casual gamers without time to farm long hours are screwed.

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

28 May 2010 at 19:04 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazer

Guess what... not anymore!

Today's bounty is again for 3-4 War Supplies, lol.
So basically what they've done they added two rewarding bounties and that's it, the rest is nefred. And of course Falken runs with NOTinfused Falken vs Spectral Agony ftw, you all got your demanding content

Too bad that DoA is still more profitable and the rest of casual gamers without time to farm long hours are screwed.

Do you even realize how hard is it to farm War Supplies by normal means with Courier Falken? Besides 15 War Supplies for a Royal Gift is a big ripoff when they nerfed the rewards of Courier Falken (heck, the cost of getting a Red Gift Bag, Gift of the Huntsman/Traveler and a Wintersday Gift happens to be a MUCH better deal than the cost of getting a Royal Gift). Oh yeah, the reward of today's quest is ripoff as well, I think they did that intentionally.

Think of getting a Royal Gift as trying to get a Blindfold headgear now.

Kharmin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Far Shiverpeaks

Clan Quarren [QRRN]

R/

28 May 2010 at 19:04 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazer

... and the rest of casual gamers without time to farm long hours are screwed.

Yep. And WiK was something I was really looking forward to trying to stay up with in the limited play-time that my schedule allows. Update makes it much less worth the effort.

tazer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tiny Siege Turtles

28 May 2010 at 19:17 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Do you even realize how hard is it to farm War Supplies by normal means with Courier Falken?

I believe I do and I've been a little sarcastic in my message, if you get it differently

But I totally agree, War Supplies are pretty much unfarmable at the moment or at least totally not worth the effort to get, for example, 1 virtual flask of alcohol.
Actually anyone knows a nice spot to farm Confessor's Orders, preferably filled with White Mantle, not Peacekeppers?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

28 May 2010 at 19:20 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

None of the rewards for War Supplies were the same as the elite areas so this was just a nice casual reward for casual play.

Yeah you're right, 1k/minute beats all elite areas.

TBH Falken isn't really even dead IMO. I don't think we can repeat the 30-bounties and the new daily ones are still fairly craptastic. You can do an HM courier run with H/H in around 10 mins, that's still a strong repeatable option, and the supplies will hold market value better commesurate with the slower farming.

tazer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tiny Siege Turtles

28 May 2010 at 19:44 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

You can do an HM courier run with H/H in around 10 mins, that's still a strong repeatable option

Are you sure about those numbers? Because all I could do with H/H, Asuran Summon and Stone Summon within 10 mins was LA run in NM. Others were 12-13 minutes. I got pimped out Discordway heroes, me being 4th necro with Discord.
So even assuming that I could do HM LA run within similar time, I would argue that 4 War Supplies are strong repeatable option

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

28 May 2010 at 19:56 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, even if I have proper skill setup with my heroes and pick up the henchies, vanquishing is still a pain in the ass. That's why consets are really needed for vanquishing. Consider Joko's Domain, which is a total hellhole to vanquish (and I need help on that).

No you don't.

Or rather: You are making game hellhole for yourself now so that it will be easy in future. You might as well just try to vanquish JD rightaway and it would be actually less of pain.

See, you choose:

"Hellhole now, easy in future", while you could have just: "Hellhole now".

Basically, Time spent farming consets+Easy conset vanquish time >>> Conset-less vanquish time.

Only consumables worth farming for when you are working on gwamm are booze, sweets and party items (pick one).

kanuks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

28 May 2010 at 20:41 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, even if I have proper skill setup with my heroes and pick up the henchies, vanquishing is still a pain in the ass. That's why consets are really needed for vanquishing. Consider Joko's Domain, which is a total hellhole to vanquish (and I need help on that).

I did joko's a whiiiiiiile ago, before the we shall return buff. Might have to try it out again now. I don't think i'll have much problems with my new improved hero builds. But i would never uses cons for vqs. I waste well enough money on stupid lockpicks (more than 5k chests opened, without chest running).

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

28 May 2010 at 22:43 - 111

Kinda a weird... inverted way to nerf mind wreck by nerfing overload.

Eh, better then nothing

Endrance

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2009

[CK]

Rt/

29 May 2010 at 18:53 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Courier Falken was never more profitable than speed clears or even ecto farming. It was less efficient than the most profitable farms, Falken was just doable by almost everyone using any build.

You might be an elitist who believes only people who play with permasins and cookie cutter builds in elite areas should be able to make some money, but I disagree.

People are upset because the game gave us a way to make money without playing in HM or running a cookie cutter speed clear build. They liked playing any class they wanted with any build they wanted and they didn't suffer for bringing guildies or friends, in fact is was more fun to do that. The game gave us that and then took it away because apparently everything has to be a grind or reserved for gimmick SC builds.

QFT. We finally got to make money while using our own builds+having fun with friends and others and them making money as well, with them also using their own builds.

wetwillyhip

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA, Southern California, Orange County

Tyrian Elements [TyE]

R/Mo

29 May 2010 at 20:44 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endrance

QFT. We finally got to make money while using our own builds+having fun with friends and others and them making money as well, with them also using their own builds.

AGREED. I hate that courier is not worth it anymore and now we rely on bounties only... that are still a pain long ass journey sometimes for 10 in NM and 5 extra in HM.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

29 May 2010 at 22:31 - 114

Courier Falken is on his own, sucks to be him! Messages are NOT going to get through!!! Not worth the time...

Ban more botters!!!

If ANET lowered the prices on gifts and medals then maybe it would be worth it, otherwise CF is screwed.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

30 May 2010 at 16:19 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Courier Falken is on his own, sucks to be him! Messages are NOT going to get through!!! Not worth the time...

Ban more botters!!!

If ANET lowered the prices on gifts and medals then maybe it would be worth it, otherwise CF is screwed.

It would be absolutely hillarious if the War in Kryta was lost by the Shining Blade because vital information was not getting through and was being intercepted by the White Mantle to be used against them.

I would love it so much if the Live Team changed the story of the WiK to reflect that their nerf to Falken runs resulted in no more escorts. In Guild Wars 2 Divinity's Reach is ruled by the White Mantle because Salma was too stingy with her rewards.