What does match fixing mean?
dancing gnome
People were banned for match fixing. Is that like GvG or HoH or tournament stuff or is that things like red resigns? I realise red resigns is technically match fixing but did they ban people for that?
majoho
Yeah it's like that.
lemming
It's more akin to red resigning, and it happens in gvg and codex.
Sjacie
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Originally Posted by lemming
It's more akin to red resigning, and it happens in gvg and codex.
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That was match manipulation... people didn't even get a 3 day ban for that...
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Sjacie
That was match manipulation... people didn't even get a 3 day ban for that...
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PowerRAV
I believe syncing into arenas with ur guild mates is match fixing also.
Bonehead
lolrawr. The simple truth of this previous message and it's implications should be more than enough to satisfy the "at least 12 characters" limit.
Sjacie
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
From what I hear, on zquest days, there were 50 districts full of red resigners. Anet is hardly going to put in the effort, time, and money to temp ban all those people.
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WHY WEREN'T THOSE BANNED???
Bristlebane
I think Anet is simply refering to more serious match manipulation like bots, not things like red resigning. But it might be a good idea for anyone who engage in red resign type of play to stop ;-)
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Sjacie
That's 5000 accounts...
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Also, there is a difference between now and then. In the HB RR days, basically everyone there was just farming the quests. It wasn't harming anyone, really. The bots that have got 3700 accounts banned were affecting other PvPers were malicious attempts to get an advantage over other players.
lemming
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Also, there is a difference between now and then. In the HB RR days, basically everyone there was just farming the quests. It wasn't harming anyone, really. The bots that have got 3700 accounts banned were affecting other PvPers were malicious attempts to get an advantage over other players.
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pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Sjacie
That's 5000 accounts...
WHY WEREN'T THOSE BANNED??? |
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Originally Posted by Guild Wars Conduct Breaches & Outcomes
Infractions result in one of two types of account actions: Either the account earns a disciplinary flag, or "mark," or the account is terminated. Marks accumulate over time, and having a number of marks can result in a lengthy account suspension or an account termination. Account terminations apply to the account as a whole and renders the player permanently unable to play on that account. Warnings are never given for either kind of account action.
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Bonehead
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Also, there is a difference between now and then. In the HB RR days, basically everyone there was just farming the quests. It wasn't harming anyone, really. The bots that have got 3700 accounts banned were affecting other PvPers were malicious attempts to get an advantage over other players.
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Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
BTW, I was actually wanting to ask what is "red resigns "??
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Bill Clinton
I think red resigns wasnt punished because its impossible to do now (as well as the shire number of players who did it)
Match manipulating in GvG can still be done, so anet knows that if they ban all the current offenders it will stop other people doing it because of a fear of bans.
RR is a thing of the past, it happened almost a year ago. So they are willing to let it slide. Which sounds fair to me, it was usually so dead there that was the only way anyone got a rank in it!
Actually no. RR was done with people tanking to a very low rating so that it wouldnt disturb the competitive players.
All five of them.
Match manipulating in GvG can still be done, so anet knows that if they ban all the current offenders it will stop other people doing it because of a fear of bans.
RR is a thing of the past, it happened almost a year ago. So they are willing to let it slide. Which sounds fair to me, it was usually so dead there that was the only way anyone got a rank in it!
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Originally Posted by Bonehead
And it blew up (what was left of) the HB Ladder and (what was left of) the competitive spirit in HB.
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All five of them.
pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Red Resigns is simply what it sounds like. Farming titles/balth faction/zquests is done optimally the faster matches take place, so whoever zoned in with the red cape resigned.
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Arduin
I think processes like red resigns are interesting examples of how a community is able to streamline a certain part of an online game, to maximize gains. Even if this means to circumvent the rules of the game.
But shouldn't the Wintersday Odd-Grenth, Even-Dwayna district picking be placed into the 'fixing' category as well? It made sure everyone could get their hat they desired, so everyone would be happy, but still, it's manipulating the outcome of a seemingly random process. Or is fixing only prohibited in PvP?
/end random thoughts
But shouldn't the Wintersday Odd-Grenth, Even-Dwayna district picking be placed into the 'fixing' category as well? It made sure everyone could get their hat they desired, so everyone would be happy, but still, it's manipulating the outcome of a seemingly random process. Or is fixing only prohibited in PvP?
/end random thoughts
To Chicken To Die
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Originally Posted by PowerRAV
I believe syncing into arenas with ur guild mates is match fixing also.
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snaek
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
As I said, it's too much effort for Anet. It was much better to just remove HB (which they did) and give everyone a warning that this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
Also, there is a difference between now and then. In the HB RR days, basically everyone there was just farming the quests. It wasn't harming anyone, really. The bots that have got 3700 accounts banned were affecting other PvPers were malicious attempts to get an advantage over other players. |
might i remind you that the 3700 accounts were also banned for pve bot usage. people have gotten multiple stacks of zkeys through rr, which i think is more "harmful" than some of the 3700.
William C Wallace
I think the main match manipulation A-Net was concerned was teams that had two guilds that were "champ ranged", syncing in order to easily farm champ points.
Zzes Tyan
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
From what I hear, on zquest days, there were 50 districts full of red resigners. Anet is hardly going to put in the effort, time, and money to temp ban all those people.
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FoxBat
The real difference is gvg abusers are small in number by definition. This process requires syncing, unlike HB RR which everyone within X ladder range agreed to. It can only be done during dead hours when others aren't trying to get into match, requires ownership of dead champ guilds as well as several accounts to set up, and therefore can only be pulled off by a few with a good deal of planning and effort. That makes it very easy to ban a small handful of deviants, instead of the huge number involved in, and sheer easiness of, RR abuse.
Hells Fury
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Originally Posted by Zzes Tyan
There were barely 4, 50 is a bit excessive
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Ka Tet
Match manipulation, google conga line.
Feathermoore Rep
Yea there were 30+ districts on HB z-quest days a few times. Was insane. But no aNet knew HB was broken. People knew HB was broken. They released a z-quest, which at first gave like 1k gold and 5k balth for two wins, i mean come on thats asking to be farmed. Just like the courier. And with the shear number of people farming that quest, not everyone participated. I personally found it quicker to fight/farm those people rolling in just to resign, than to just go along with red resign or even before that RPS.
snaek
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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
Match manipulation, google conga line.
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byteme!
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Originally Posted by Zzes Tyan
There were barely 4, 50 is a bit excessive
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Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep
They released a z-quest, which at first gave like 1k gold and 5k balth for two wins
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Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
As I said, it's too much effort for Anet. It was much better to just remove HB (which they did) and give everyone a warning that this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Also, there is a difference between now and then. In the HB RR days, basically everyone there was just farming the quests. It wasn't harming anyone, really. The bots that have got 3700 accounts banned were affecting other PvPers were malicious attempts to get an advantage over other players.
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amaretto creme
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Red resign (red leave) happened after it was announced HB was to be removed and simply adding dishonorable to HB would have reduced the amount of red resigning plenty, why it wasn't in a pvp meta in the first place is crazy.
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It did, however, happen on MASS SCALE after it was released that HB was going to be removed, so in a sense you are correct, but that's only the mass scale of things.
I don't think they did dishonor there because of the way the match is set up. You are not leaving other team members, therefore if you leave the game, you aren't leaving anyone behind. Your heroes don't continue fighting for you. :P Now I do understand why you say "well they should have done it" but I think that might be the reasoning (speculation of course).
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by amaretto creme
It actually didn't happen afterward. It was happening before hand, but on such a small scale that people didn't know about it, or notice it, as those who originally started farming it tanked their ratings low enough that it didn't affect those that REALLY HB'ed (except for the players that were really bad and never won) because they were so low that they just stayed that low on the ladder, around all the others who were RRing. I'm not saying it didn't AFFECT the ladder in general, as the influx of people doing it definitely DID affect it, but it didn't affect the TOP of the ladder, which was the "most important" part seeing as that is what is looked at. Only the bottom of the ladder was affected by the RRing, and yes, it tipped the scales quite a bit, but in the long run, it still didn't matter for what was going on at the top.
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In terms of HB the top people never really mattered, they were a bunch of assassin and monks whose rank was based off how many loses they got not really how influenced they were in the game, I feel more pity for the average players who didn't have to assassin everything.
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Originally Posted by amaretto creme
I don't think they did dishonor there because of the way the match is set up. You are not leaving other team members, therefore if you leave the game, you aren't leaving anyone behind. Your heroes don't continue fighting for you. :P Now I do understand why you say "well they should have done it" but I think that might be the reasoning (speculation of course).
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amaretto creme
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Again I think dishonorable would have greatly reduced it, the main attraction of red leaving was the speed you could re-enter a match instead of actually playing the match.
In terms of HB the top people never really mattered, they were a bunch of assassin and monks whose rank was based off how many loses they got not really how influenced they were in the game, I feel more pity for the average players who didn't have to assassin everything. |
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
I would be lead to believe its because there's no team members too but sadly dishonorable was in even in the simplest of meta at the time like roller beetle racing which has no team members.
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Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by amaretto creme
Hm, is that why the ladder was so screwed up even before they put in this stuff? I had heard the ladder was never right to begin with, which was a reason they just wanted to get rid of HB.
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Originally Posted by amaretto creme
Hmmm well was roller beetle racing around before HB? I honestly can't remember... I was away for quite a lot of time around the second year when Factions and NF were released, and I wasn't as big into the game until a couple years ago, so I honestly don't know which came first. XD It might be the reason why roller beetle racing does and HB didn't?
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amaretto creme
Ah okay.
And yeah, that is slightly strange that it wouldn't be put in HB but it would be in roller beetle. Maybe with roller beetle, you can still affect others that win or don't win. I don't know how else to explain it but with HB there were only 2 players, and they were on opposite teams. With Roller Beetle, there's 6? 8? I forget, but either way, having that many people still affects EVERYONE involved, even if they were all against each other? Just a thought.
And yeah, that is slightly strange that it wouldn't be put in HB but it would be in roller beetle. Maybe with roller beetle, you can still affect others that win or don't win. I don't know how else to explain it but with HB there were only 2 players, and they were on opposite teams. With Roller Beetle, there's 6? 8? I forget, but either way, having that many people still affects EVERYONE involved, even if they were all against each other? Just a thought.
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by amaretto creme
Ah okay.
And yeah, that is slightly strange that it wouldn't be put in HB but it would be in roller beetle. Maybe with roller beetle, you can still affect others that win or don't win. I don't know how else to explain it but with HB there were only 2 players, and they were on opposite teams. With Roller Beetle, there's 6? 8? I forget, but either way, having that many people still affects EVERYONE involved, even if they were all against each other? Just a thought. |
amaretto creme
Well, I'm not normally a pvper anyway so I don't know much about any of the match manipulations (which I know it probably shows in my posts). I do some HA every now and then, but it's not often. I'm just throwing out different possible reasons as to why HB didn't have a dishonorable. Who knows, maybe they were just lazy and decided not to put it in that one because they were like "eh, it doesn't matter" Lol Never know.
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by amaretto creme
I'm just throwing out different possible reasons as to why HB didn't have a dishonorable. Who knows, maybe they were just lazy and decided not to put it in that one because they were like "eh, it doesn't matter"
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It doesn't sound like HB was the problem its more like the assassin profession mechanics and codex is proven to be more of a joke every day when all the people that asked for it never played it after the first day.
Its also horrible that the highest HB title was r11 after spending 3 years working on that title the guy never even got to max it or was he compensated for it, just a gtfo sign from anet.
The Black Mumba
No one was complaing about sins being meta in hb. Instead i remember a lot of "HBers" bitching every day about the innumerable flaws of the format, like the bugs of The Crossing, Dual Meld and shadow steps or the shitty static meta, just to name a few.
And i wouldn't be proud of a title that i got through /roll, red resign or afk farming, so removing that filthy format was the best thing anet did.
Good Riddance.
And i wouldn't be proud of a title that i got through /roll, red resign or afk farming, so removing that filthy format was the best thing anet did.
Good Riddance.
snaek
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Originally Posted by The Black Mumba
No one was complaing about sins being meta in hb. Instead i remember a lot of "HBers" bitching every day about the innumerable flaws of the format, like the bugs of The Crossing, Dual Meld and shadow steps or the shitty static meta, just to name a few.
And i wouldn't be proud of a title that i got through /roll, red resign or afk farming, so removing that filthy format was the best thing anet did. Good Riddance. |
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by The Black Mumba
No one was complaing about sins being meta in hb. Instead i remember a lot of "HBers" bitching every day about the innumerable flaws of the format,
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Originally Posted by The Black Mumba
like the bugs of The Crossing, Dual Meld and shadow steps or the shitty static meta, just to name a few.
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And i wouldn't be proud of a title that i got through /roll, red resign or afk farming, so removing that filthy format was the best thing anet did.
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/roll only happened on double point days (happens every 1-2 months) and red resign on z quest days (once a week) after it was announced HB was to be removed, not even mentioning most of the match manipulation was done by pve population. People actually did play the game and the mass amount of people who RR didn't even get past r2 commander so it still holds worth.