WiK Bounties have not been 'balanced'

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

Still seeing the same old 3(+1) and 10(+5) reward missions as the individual daily bounties. 2 of these a day would be alright but come on, all they did was offer the 2 fairly unique bounties with the update and now it's back normal...

MYSTAKE

MYSTAKE

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

Gallarate, VA Italy

Bring Your Own Biatch [BYOB]

A/Me

same here... they didnt change anything

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

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Yesterday was kinda weird. The two inquisitor bounties were 20(+10), one was easy (North Kryta Province) the other was a short trip but a total PITA.

The third bounty was 10(+5) and involved going all the way to Kessex Peak?!

Must be a usage of the word "balanced" that I was not previously aware of

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

Refuse to do them and A-Net will be forced to buff them up. The second last update made people very happy, the last update undid everything people were unhappy about.

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Rewards are often so poor that the War in Kryta will likely end with an insurrection to bring Salma down...

Then we'll have:

Stingy Was Salma

Item Spell. Hold Salma's ashes for up to 2...3 months. While you hold her ashes, nothing happens. When you drop her ashes you Shadow Step to Lion's Arch.

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

I doubt the 20+10 quests were "daily" quests, they were rather different so I would say those were one-off storyline quests and we'll probably see more of those.

Personally I find the balance to be decent now.

EDIT: Actually they obviously were special quests since the mobs are only there if you have the quest, where as the daily ones are always there.

SpyderArachnid

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

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Take into account that you are fighting regular soldiers for the 4 War Supplies. Then Inquisitors for 30 War Supplies and the self-proclaimed "Justicar" for 15 War Supplies.

It doesn't matter where you have to go to kill them, but based more on their ranks and where they stand with the White Mantle. I'm sure you won't be making 15-30 War Supplies for killing a simple soldier. They are miniscule compared to the the others who offer higher bounties.

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome View Post
Refuse to do them and A-Net will be forced to buff them up.
Refusing to do something in game isn't going to force Anet to change anything. You're talking about every single player in GW making a personal stand against Anet for what? A quest? You can't force Anet to change if you choose not to do a quest.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

The Inquisitor bounties are not daily. They can be picked up at any time and so far have not reset.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
Rewards are often so poor that the War in Kryta will likely end with an insurrection to bring Salma down...

Then we'll have:

Stingy Was Salma

Item Spell. Hold Salma's ashes for up to 2...3 months. While you hold her ashes, nothing happens. When you drop her ashes you Shadow Step to Lion's Arch.
Oh! You win!

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
The Inquisitor bounties are not daily. They can be picked up at any time and so far have not reset.
I'd expect at least two more to be added in the future.

So far we had to fight against Inquisitor Lashona and Inquisitor Bauer, both playing a relevant role in some of the random encounters around Kryta.

I bet next will be Greaves the Overbearing and High Inquisitor Toriimo.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

The real issue is this statement from the last update:
"Rebalanced the rewards for completing Wanted by the Shining Blade quests"

The issue is nothing has changed, the rewards still either 4 supplies or 15 supplies. This shows me either that there is a bug seeing how the rewards were not improved, or that this was a error on the update notes. Personally I'd love to response to if things are working as planned or that there is should have been higher rewards than there are now.

MYSTAKE

MYSTAKE

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Join Date: Jun 2009

Gallarate, VA Italy

Bring Your Own Biatch [BYOB]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmoon View Post
or that this was a error on the update notes.
anet did it quite often in the last months

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

Shadowmoon's got it right. Please read properly. Even if we are fighting varyious ranks the fact the rewards suck, all the update did was trash the courier rewards.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

Or maybe the courier rewards kinda spoiled us? I don't think they meant it to be that people had stack and stacks after the first day the couriers were there.

For me I just wanna know what the medals are for, kinda holding on to my very limited war supplies and I hope that's the right thing to do.

Reformed

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

Woohoo another 3/1 bounty...well played Anet--well played.

Chris616263

Chris616263

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid View Post
Take into account that you are fighting regular soldiers for the 4 War Supplies. Then Inquisitors for 30 War Supplies and the self-proclaimed "Justicar" for 15 War Supplies.

It doesn't matter where you have to go to kill them, but based more on their ranks and where they stand with the White Mantle. I'm sure you won't be making 15-30 War Supplies for killing a simple soldier. They are miniscule compared to the the others who offer higher bounties.



Refusing to do something in game isn't going to force Anet to change anything. You're talking about every single player in GW making a personal stand against Anet for what? A quest? You can't force Anet to change if you choose not to do a quest.
ANet has been forced to do many things. Which explains the current state of the game - which is a complete mess. Remember how GvG was screwed up over the monthly Xunlai house business? I'll never make the mistake of assuming that ANet cares about their players; ever again.

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
Rewards are often so poor that the War in Kryta will likely end with an insurrection to bring Salma down...

Then we'll have:

Stingy Was Salma

Item Spell. Hold Salma's ashes for up to 2...3 months. While you hold her ashes, nothing happens. When you drop her ashes you Shadow Step to Lion's Arch.
Best post ever!!! Down with Salma!!!

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
Rewards are often so poor that the War in Kryta will likely end with an insurrection to bring Salma down...
What rewards? Did I miss something?

Supplies themselves are not exactly great consumables, more of way to let em be spent when you do not want to use them to buy stuff. No point farming them.

Royal gifts are not that great either. It is just sink to remove excesive supplies from game with promise of rare stuff.

Bounty rewards are not have meaning yet. We do not know what medals are going to be used for, what quanity is boing to be required etc ...

We have absolutelly nothing to base quality of rewards on yet.

This is as if people farmed DoA gems and did not know what is armbrace for and complained about droprate and that coffers drop xp scroll junk.

Siniminister

Siniminister

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Meeting of the Lost Minds [MLM]

To be honest, a few weeks ago I finally "quit" the game due to its stagnation. Once the new bounties and courier were brought into the mix, I came back to check it out. "Oh look, new drops, new content, new rewards, new things to do." That warm and fuzzy feeling lasted what, a few days?

The rewards do not match the effort needed, period. The courier isn't worth the time or hassle whatsoever, and the 3/1 bounties are a joke. Thanks ANet, I'm heading back into retirement.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
The Inquisitor bounties are not daily. They can be picked up at any time and so far have not reset.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that (Yesterday was the first day I could be arsed to care).

There goes any enthusiasm I had for this stuff.

Quote:
The rewards do not match the effort needed, period. The courier isn't worth the time or hassle whatsoever, and the 3/1 bounties are a joke. Thanks ANet, I'm heading back into retirement.
This. I don't care whether the mob-of-the-day is low on the Mantle totem pole. If I have to fight through dozens of HM Peacekeepers, it needs to be more than 4 war supplies as a frelling reward.

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

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Join Date: Mar 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein View Post
We have absolutelly nothing to base quality of rewards on yet.

This is as if people farmed DoA gems and did not know what is armbrace for and complained about droprate and that coffers drop xp scroll junk.
Easy there, I was just kidding!

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein View Post
We have absolutelly nothing to base quality of rewards on yet.[/B]
Doesn't matter, because the bottomline is people want to log in to the game and feel like they're having fun by getting a HIGH reward, not a miserable feeling grind.

You ever watch that show Deadliest Catch? The whole crew lights up when they're on their fishing and pulling in big numbers, and the whole crew is miserable when they're not on the crab and grinding on one or two for pot. That's human psychology that very few people can simply shirk and not care about. Grinds aren't fun, and Falken should be reverted to the feeling of an abundant reward if they want the WiK to be fun for the long term.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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I don't care is falkin keeps his junk reward, just give more ways of getting supplies. For example, give supplies for vanquishing peacekeeper areas of kryta. Give something like 1 supply for 10 mobs. And think of synergy with the bounties, vanquish the zone plus the bonus for killing the boss.

SpyderArachnid

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
I don't care is falkin keeps his junk reward, just give more ways of getting supplies. For example, give supplies for vanquishing peacekeeper areas of kryta. Give something like 1 supply for 10 mobs. And think of synergy with the bounties, vanquish the zone plus the bonus for killing the boss.
Well Peacekeepers already drop Confessor Orders which you can trade in for Supplies already.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616263
ANet has been forced to do many things. Which explains the current state of the game - which is a complete mess. Remember how GvG was screwed up over the monthly Xunlai house business? I'll never make the mistake of assuming that ANet cares about their players; ever again.
Yeah but what I mean is not doing a quest, won't force Anet to do anything. It's like saying I don't want to do Villany of Galrath, so now Anet must change it cause I'm not going to do the quest until I get something better.

And I don't remember GvG that much cause I'm a PvE Carebear.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

Can we bring the ban scythe to this forum to get rid of the everlasting whiners? Jesus RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing christ there is just no pleasing some of these people. Who want DOA rewards for killing some mantles.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by aspi View Post
Can we bring the ban scythe to this forum to get rid of the everlasting whiners? Jesus RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing christ there is just no pleasing some of these people. Who want DOA rewards for killing some mantles.
There's never enough population to actually do DoA around, and the UW clears are so scripted I can't take it. So yeah people want good rewards for doing their own thing, suck on it.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

good rewards for doing nothing special at all. The lazy generation.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

It would help if the exchange rate for royal gifts wasn't so high. 15:1 is pretty bad for what they give meaning you can do this content every day and get less than 1 gift per day. They are probably thinking this is similar to Nick's limit of 5 per week but the effort for this sucks.

Trader of Secrets

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Yeah watssup with these rewards, on the day of the balance they were pretty good. Now just back to nothing

jonathan23

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2008

Immortal Trinity

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I think rebalance was meant to refer to bringing the courier reward down to match these 3+1 bounties, meaning the 3+1 thing is normal. I personally was/am fine with a 10+5 reward for any but the hardest bounties. You do it on a few characters and supplement this with a few courier runs and get a few gifts per day. But yeah, the point is that you have to do the bounty on 5 different characters to get one gift or on 7 different characters to get one medal per day. This is very disheartening to me and hope that the bounties will be re-rebalanced soon, or people gonna start goin AWOL on Salma.

Sir Baddock

Sir Baddock

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Endemic Warfare

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Peacekeepers are easy, quit crying and just add it to the other 4 quests / "Dailies" you do.

Shadowspawn X

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

War supplies are insanely easy to get, so you can't expect anything spectacular from the gifts or the medals. They are just too common, medals will pile up at triple the rate zcoins ever did.

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

boohoo, if you dont like it dont do it. Anet didnt have to add the war in kryta stuff to the game. they could of chosen to fix other more important issues that still need to be done. the rewards for vanquishing still suck, yet everyone still does it. the rewards for the z-missions can be considered out of balance on a bunch of them yet people still do them. i would of rather seen the WiK stuff added in like the bonus missions, yet it wasnt. this is free add-on stuff we got, Anet could of charged us $9.99 or $19.99 for a whole mini expansion pack that would of had everything in it that ties GW1 to GW2 yet they chose to give this to us for free and add it in slowly over time. enjoy the free add on content, stop bitching and if you dont like it then uninstall and go away.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan23 View Post
I think rebalance was meant to refer to bringing the courier reward down to match these 3+1 bounties, meaning the 3+1 thing is normal.
From the Update:
Rebalanced the rewards for escorting Courier Falken.
Rebalanced the rewards for completing Wanted by the Shining Blade quests.

Reading comprehension ftw. The rebalance is for both events, not just one. This is not a qq thread, this is a thread asking if this is a bug or not because the notes appear to not match what actually is going on ingame. The "stop qq'ing" trolls need to stfu and realize if anything this is a bug report thread if anything because of the discrepancy. Either the notes were incorrect or this is a bug.

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by R_Frost View Post
boohoo, if you dont like it dont do it. Anet didnt have to add the war in kryta stuff to the game. they could of chosen to fix other more important issues that still need to be done. the rewards for vanquishing still suck, yet everyone still does it. the rewards for the z-missions can be considered out of balance on a bunch of them yet people still do them. i would of rather seen the WiK stuff added in like the bonus missions, yet it wasnt. this is free add-on stuff we got, Anet could of charged us $9.99 or $19.99 for a whole mini expansion pack that would of had everything in it that ties GW1 to GW2 yet they chose to give this to us for free and add it in slowly over time. enjoy the free add on content, stop bitching and if you dont like it then uninstall and go away.
Now that you brought it up, they should also look into the vanquishing reward balance and ZQ reward balance as well. (And dungeon reward balance).

frostkisses

frostkisses

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wisconsin

Cerberus Guardians of the [GATE]

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All of the people with the "stop qq'ing" replies....
This has nothing to do with the COST of the game. so your "this is free, like it or go away" isnt going to solve anything.
That said, the problem is that the update says we were supposed to see a "balance" to them..and most people, myself included, would like a lil clarification as to what that was supposed to be since nothing has changed. As far as we know the Inquisitors were planned to be introduced then and even if they werent, its not exactly a "balance".
This is a problem of communication, not entitlement.

wetwillyhip

wetwillyhip

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA, Southern California, Orange County

Tyrian Elements [TyE]

R/Mo

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Originally Posted by frostkisses View Post
All of the people with the "stop qq'ing" replies....
This has nothing to do with the COST of the game. so your "this is free, like it or go away" isnt going to solve anything.
That said, the problem is that the update says we were supposed to see a "balance" to them..and most people, myself included, would like a lil clarification as to what that was supposed to be since nothing has changed. As far as we know the Inquisitors were planned to be introduced then and even if they werent, its not exactly a "balance".
This is a problem of communication, not entitlement.
completely agree. Price or value has nothing to do with how anet gives us updates on new updates.. its the fact that they also give us updates that screw the previously enjoyed fun...

and of course the communication too... misunderstanding about balance? I'm questioning it too.

Shadowspawn X

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by wetwillyhip View Post
. Price or value has nothing to do with how anet gives us updates on new updates..
I disagree. Broken Falken flooded the market with war supplies and consequently MoH as well, which means the war supplies were seriously devalued because of this mistake.This re-balance is a effort to draw in supply of war supplies and stabilize the future value of MoH. They are correcting the marketplace as well as correcting the mistake made with Falken.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Yeah, 4 supplies not worth the effort? Gift value is primarily exclusive minis that can't be bought anywhere else. Falken defined the value of supplies, the new lower rate will as well given a little time.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmoon View Post
I don't care is falkin keeps his junk reward, just give more ways of getting supplies. For example, give supplies for vanquishing peacekeeper areas of kryta. Give something like 1 supply for 10 mobs. And think of synergy with the bounties, vanquish the zone plus the bonus for killing the boss.
This would be an excellent idea. Also, methinks Confessor's Orders should either drop a little bit more frequently or the exchange rate should be switched to 2:1 instead of 3:1.