Jagged Strike and Fox Fangs

Because warrior is the only well designed melee profession in GW.
Nobody would mind if the assassin or dervish would be as powerful as a warrior if they wouldn't be one-trick ponys.

My only complaint is that those sin skills are too effective for the amount of skill required to mash the button repeatedly.

And Dev-hammer qlocking isn't easy?

yeah, dev hammer is as easy as pressing buttons as they light up.

It'd make the weak-ass assassins even weaker, and it'd make Wild Strike the far better option again. You sure are the bright bulb when it comes to balance, ey?

Disagree with this and you're lying to yourself.

PvE is button mashing for every class. Sins suck dick in PvP right now. I fail to see why your complaining.

Nerfing sin skills now would be the same as shooting a dead body

Bring back AoD sins plz Anet thanks very much

It's the DPS the build is capable of and the small penalty for failing to hit. I hate these guys but nerfing them would make sins extremely weak.

Its all about power creeping. If there were no melee spam builds in the game what would you do for pressure in PvP? Hex way? And if you nerfed spam builds/skills you would have to nerf healers or they would be Op. The whole enchilada would need reworked not just one bite of it.

Warriors run on adrenaline, this is why they can't be called a spamming class. What if assassins had some skills run off of adrenaline also? This would take care of the spamming, but they would need to up the dmg output somewhat to compensate for not being able to hit 123456 at will.
Warrior skills put out more DMG than assassin skills. But assassins can spam certain skills to make up for that. This is why you are upset.

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. I'm not claiming that spamming is always a bad strategy, I'm saying that builds that require you to spam all night long are not only terribly boring to play but also impossible to balance.

Again, I'm not talking about the POWER of these skills here, but about the way in which they're used. Your cute rant doesn't address that whatsoever.

Killing shit fast isn't considered a proper role in the game. In fact, anything that features 123456 or spamming on recharge is bad for the game. Warriors require positioning and field awareness to be effective, these mentioned Assassin builds don't.

Your arguments are terrible.

If Assassins are the meta and Assassins feature mindless spam, then mindless spam becomes the standard way to play the game. No "changing builds" will fix that because then you will have a disadvantage against players that DO use these builds. Maybe this argument works for PvE, but it definitely doesn't apply to PvP in the slightest.

Your other "argument", my supposed inability to counter these kind of builds, isn't even worth answering because it's purely ad hominem. You having to use fallacies to back up your flawed statements just shows how ignorant you are of how this game works. Congratulations.

That's the assassin class dude. It either does that or dies. Only way to fix is a complete re-haul or deletion of the class. Neither of which will happen any time soon.

Alright once again in PvE every class uses a spam build of some sort (pretty much). They are not currently an issue in PvP and so why waste the little time they put into balancing skills in this game on skills that are not even used in the current meta? Let them focus on shit that actually matters instead of fixing shit like this because you feel bored mashing jagged -> fox fangs.

o and bring back AoD sins please

My point exactly. Assassins are currently broken, so why give them any effectiveness at all? It won't lead to good play.

PvE is barely relevant, the fact that every class is a spamclass just tells you how broken it currently is and quite frankly always has been.

In PvP, I doubt bringing back AoD is a very good idea. That build, while requiring some level of skill, was extremely frustrating to play against. Turning Assassins into a class with superior mobility is fine with me, returning it to a class that is practically uncatchable even with snares isn't.

So basically, if you had your way, assassins would be deleted?

The more spammable the skills, the faster the game moves; the more exciting it should be.

What Morphy seems to want is people to wand/chop eachother to death with 30s recharge skills as a way of balancing... Sounds awesome?

Yeah because assassins are weak , thats why in almost every update they are buffing all of its skills ....

... oh wait ... NO.

The only buffs sins have right now are to make some skills bloody broken and overpowered because of the multiple nerfs they got over the years.
My change wont make Wild Strike better ( and ofc not even by far ) because ( and read again ) i said that at least ONE of its aspects should be taken away , not all. Right now FF>WS in ALL aspects ( pfff stance removal ) and it shouldnt be like that.
Are you sure you got a clue about balance when you called sins weak ?

No, I would re-design them to a highly mobile midline class. Assassins need an overhaul and no matter how you want to do this, these skills have no part in that reworked gameplay.

There is a major difference between skills that can be frequently used (Savage Shot can be used every 5 seconds, for example) and ones that you use whenever they recharge and have no drawback. The pace of the game has no direct relation to having skills require a brain to be effective.

While it's important to determine exactly how fast the game has to go to have gameplay that is both exciting on a small scale and on a large scale, it has no bearing on this specific thread.

This what you're getting at?

AoD sins are not unbeatable by any means. The added mobility is what gave people a reason to run them. Thats always been the way I thought of Assassin's; they are extremely mobile. Mobility is what makes this game fun and honestly AoD sins were probably the most balanced form of sin play this game has ever seen, other than being useless in PvP

No. That's a highly gimmicky spellcaster much in the style of a Fire Magic Elementalist that has no flexibility (Lyssa's Aura has to be maintained by spamming skills) or mobility (no speed boosts) at all. If anything, that's the opposite of what I meant.