I will agree that the quest was a little long but is that really so bad. Remember back in the days of prophecies when missions would take 1 hour or more, Urgoz, UW, DOA before speed clears.
We have become so accustomed to just rolling through everything in 10-20 minutes that when presented with a mission that requires more time we aren't used to it.
So many people have been asking for more content well here it is. Not really a Sorrows Furnace Level content improvement but at least something new. Got me to get back on for a few hours.
Update - Thursday June 10th, 2010
Johny bravo
Painbringer
I wasted 1 1/2 hours on it in Hard mode. My major problem was relying on Hench monk as primary healer. It would be nice to have a prot hench too ...but no biggie. I will have to change my setup. No problems till the start of the 10 groups you have to kill. I had Party death and gave them a Massive minion army. This allowed them to meat shielding and plugging up the area. eek. Gave up because I only had an 1 1/2 to play so I had to quit. I did try all sorts of paths here and there are numerous kills to make. Got a lot of orders to drop 7 which I guess isn’t too bad for a full party. Normal mode will be a piece of cake so I will probably turn off the had mode. I don't waste my time again. Solo mesmer and hench hero. Please give the monk Hench some skills or some intelligence
Arduin
The quest was easy enough on NM. Wiped at the entrance to Sheamoor, so the Asuran beacon was kinda handy.
The only annoying thing were the WM spawns on your way back fram Loamhorst. A WM pop every 5 steps isn't exactly engrossing gameplay. Only irritating.
The only annoying thing were the WM spawns on your way back fram Loamhorst. A WM pop every 5 steps isn't exactly engrossing gameplay. Only irritating.
The Black Mumba
The problem isn't the lenght, but the reward. It takes about an hour for 5 gifts, a moh and 2k; in the same time i can do all the daily wanted quests on 6 toons, which will give me more supplies and more gold.
trankle
I can verify what majoho said:
You only need to do the first half of the mission if you want to use the Asuran beacons. If you're comfortable clearing the village without the beacons, you can go straight there and do so. Just as with the long way, once you defeat all the groups in the village, the final gate lever becomes operational.
You only need to do the first half of the mission if you want to use the Asuran beacons. If you're comfortable clearing the village without the beacons, you can go straight there and do so. Just as with the long way, once you defeat all the groups in the village, the final gate lever becomes operational.
The Real Avalon
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The quest was easy enough on NM. Wiped at the entrance to Sheamoor, so the Asuran beacon was kinda handy.
The only annoying thing were the WM spawns on your way back fram Loamhorst. A WM pop every 5 steps isn't exactly engrossing gameplay. Only irritating. |
sixdartbart
I see lots of people bashing Alesia but not hearing much about the White Mantle Priests who are easly twice as dumb as her. {I guess when the AI is stupid in your favor that's ok} 
I wish I had access to the Peacekeepersguru to see them bitching at the LEEEEEEROY healers on their team I've only noticed hex eater sig and healing touch making them suicide but they still have 4-6-8 "stupid AI" players on their team.
I don't see why you take the henchies if you hate em so much, if your doing NM for these quests you can faceroll them with yourself and 3 heroes, since the reward is the same for NM or HM you would only be doing HM for a challenge right?
Well whats more challenging then trying to keep Alesia alive?
Same reward for NM or HM, you can just look at quest log to see rewards, if it doesn't say Bonus for HM then the only reason to do HM is because you forget to click that NM button again like I did for both quests. 
Did anyone else notice more mobs in the mission than in the previous bounty for that place? groups seemed bigger to me but I don't always pay too much attention...
I wish I had access to the Peacekeepersguru to see them bitching at the LEEEEEEROY healers on their team I've only noticed hex eater sig and healing touch making them suicide but they still have 4-6-8 "stupid AI" players on their team.
I don't see why you take the henchies if you hate em so much, if your doing NM for these quests you can faceroll them with yourself and 3 heroes, since the reward is the same for NM or HM you would only be doing HM for a challenge right?
Well whats more challenging then trying to keep Alesia alive?
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i was going to ask if the reward, like in riverside assassination, was the same both in NM and HM
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Did anyone else notice more mobs in the mission than in the previous bounty for that place? groups seemed bigger to me but I don't always pay too much attention...
Jk)Phoenix
i was going to ask if the reward, like in riverside assassination, was the same both in NM and HM;
think the person above me answered to me, other confirm it's the same?
think the person above me answered to me, other confirm it's the same?
Painbringer
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I see lots of people bashing Alesia but not hearing much about the White Mantle Priests who are easly twice as dumb as her. {I guess when the AI is stupid in your favor that's ok}
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Spamming little machines they are.
trankle
In the village, the groups can all be gathered to nice chokepoints. Skills like Panic shine here. Turn that spamming against them!
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by Arduin
The quest was easy enough on NM. Wiped at the entrance to Sheamoor, so the Asuran beacon was kinda handy.
The only annoying thing were the WM spawns on your way back fram Loamhorst. A WM pop every 5 steps isn't exactly engrossing gameplay. Only irritating. |
Hyaon
Good grief, I'm sorry but even with the ambushes and then skipping the first half later on with other chars, this is not a terrible quest. The complainers need to accept they are not 'the pwn' if it continuely goes wrong for them and adapt, changing their builds.. me? I used my defy pain warrior, olias mm, dunky healers boon, xundra sos with splinter, ancestors. Healer, mesmer, necro and ele henchies. Get on with it! The beacons are not even needed!
Arduin
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Easy fix. Just wipe and ress at the beginning, it saved my team about 15 minutes of annoyance.
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But only until after I fought my way back, of course.
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I can verify what majoho said:
You only need to do the first half of the mission if you want to use the Asuran beacons. If you're comfortable clearing the village without the beacons, you can go straight there and do so. Just as with the long way, once you defeat all the groups in the village, the final gate lever becomes operational. |
crazybanshee
I agree the mission was dragged out, did it with heroes and hench in about an hour, would have been a lot less without the annoying spawns on the way back from picking up the key.
malevolence
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I don't know about the others, but I was doing Wanted: Sevaan at the same time so doing both at once in HM just seemed convenient.
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Alesia sucks since gw day 1, best option I guess is to PUG or at least 2 players + heroes.
Thunder79
Took me 1-1.5 hours to do this with h+h on NM...I suspect that it's easier on HM with full level henchies and their elites. Once I got past the gate guards I had no issues...those gate guard groups were a pita.
And I too fought every single mantle group that popped on the way back...now that it was mentioned, I should have just died and ressed back at Zinn's place...just didn't think about it.
Also it was a pita when I went to turn it in only to find out I missed the Wanted quest for the other boss in that mission. I'll be doing that tonight...
And I too fought every single mantle group that popped on the way back...now that it was mentioned, I should have just died and ressed back at Zinn's place...just didn't think about it.
Also it was a pita when I went to turn it in only to find out I missed the Wanted quest for the other boss in that mission. I'll be doing that tonight...
Tarkin
Just made it in NM for 20 min, no need to get key, just go kill the 10 groups open the gate and get reward.
IlikeGW
I liked that it was longer. Boo on all the people looking for massive short cuts, just play the damn game for once.
-Makai-
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Fixed a bug that allowed players to complete steps of the quest A Little Help From Above out of order. |
Off-topic, and I rarely ever complain about GW, but it's kind of lame they didn't fix the SBB.
makosi
I'm baffled by Zinn's weapon thing. Is it bugged or intended to do nothing?
Some golems spawn then die instantly; I'm not sure if they did any damage. If they did it was too insignificant to merit the inconvenience of carrying the beacon.
Some golems spawn then die instantly; I'm not sure if they did any damage. If they did it was too insignificant to merit the inconvenience of carrying the beacon.
ManlyMan
HA HA I just finished it on my other char just in time too.
Imaginos
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I'm baffled by Zinn's weapon thing. Is it bugged or intended to do nothing?
Some golems spawn then die instantly; I'm not sure if they did any damage. If they did it was too insignificant to merit the inconvenience of carrying the beacon. |
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by trankle
I can verify what majoho said:
You only need to do the first half of the mission if you want to use the Asuran beacons. If you're comfortable clearing the village without the beacons, you can go straight there and do so. Just as with the long way, once you defeat all the groups in the village, the final gate lever becomes operational. |
Update - Friday, June 11, 2010
[edit] Bug Fixes
* Fixed a bug that allowed players to complete steps of the quest A Little Help From Above out of order.
byteme!
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Not any more
Update - Friday, June 11, 2010 [edit] Bug Fixes * Fixed a bug that allowed players to complete steps of the quest A Little Help From Above out of order. |
Zeff Nut
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Drop the beacon in the middle of a big group and golems fall from the sky doing some hefty aoe damage.
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Cuilan
I did A Little Help from Above earlier today in hard mode on my assassin. Mesmer, minion master, and an elementalist healer for heroes. Then two warriors, Alesia the monk, and the fairly good mesmer henchman who likes to steal my interrupts when I'm on my mesmer.
Had a couple wipes. One the minions went out too far and the other when I went afk. Main trick is to pull even if they aren't near another group, since the mobs have very interesting paths that make it more troublesome.
It was a refreshing challenge. Thank you Anet (although Alesia still needs better AI).
Had a couple wipes. One the minions went out too far and the other when I went afk. Main trick is to pull even if they aren't near another group, since the mobs have very interesting paths that make it more troublesome.
It was a refreshing challenge. Thank you Anet (although Alesia still needs better AI).
Kook~NBK~
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each party member can get one, was fun when my group pulled like 4 groups together in shaemoor, and dropped our beacons. mwahahahaha
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shoyon456
So glad I got my chars taken care of before they fixed this "bug." Seemed reasonable enough to me. If you can do it without the beacon you shouldn't have to waste time getting it IMO.
Showtime
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I never did the first part of the quest, I went straight to the temple and killed all the groups, tried the lever and it wouldn't budge - killed the boss on top of the stairs tried the lever again and the door opened, went to mursaat group and killed them and... mission completed!
Basically I couldn't figure out how to get to the required boss so assumed I had to go through the temple to get to him. Btw. what are beacons  |
2 humans, ap caller etc, 6 heros, spirits and discord and monk, set spirits, bow to pull, and easy as can be. even pulled out a triple aggro after killin half of one mantle patrol. spirits were set and just flagged them all behind spirits away from the incoming bad guys.
bhavv
Lol, that comic with stefan and alesia on the first page made me Lol.
Lol, I opened and ended a sentance with Lol.
Lol, I opened and ended a sentance with Lol.
Jk)Phoenix
27 mins and done, in NM 5/8, kinda funny quest, reward a bit low if we consider the riverside assassination but anyway a funny quest
NOW GIVE US THE WEAPONS CRAFTER!
NOW GIVE US THE WEAPONS CRAFTER!
Garreth MacLeod
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27 mins and done, in NM 5/8, kinda funny quest, reward a bit low if we consider the riverside assassination but anyway a funny quest
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So if I'm understanding this thread and the update, you didn't have to go to the lab before the update but now you do? And this adds how much extra time? A few minutes?
aspi
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The reward isn't bad for 27 minutes if compared to some of the rewards we got from Prophecies quests...like Villany of Galrath O_O
So if I'm understanding this thread and the update, you didn't have to go to the lab before the update but now you do? And this adds how much extra time? A few minutes? |
You could just go and kill the 10 groups, the boss and the lever worked.
Mr. Undisclosed
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The reward isn't bad for 27 minutes if compared to some of the rewards we got from Prophecies quests...like Villany of Galrath O_O
So if I'm understanding this thread and the update, you didn't have to go to the lab before the update but now you do? And this adds how much extra time? A few minutes? |
Garreth MacLeod
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You honestly have no idea how annoying and long it was. It caused me physical pain.
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I saw the map for this quest on the wiki. Looks like going to get that key could double or even triple the time needed to finish the quest?
aspi
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I'll get to find out today. I finally got all my characters through the assassination quest.
I saw the map for this quest on the wiki. Looks like going to get that key could double or even triple the time needed to finish the quest? |
But the groups on the way back aren't that hard or big. And who knows they might drop something
Xenomortis
This mission was amusing.
I did it in HM with an 8 H/H man team from ToA (naturally).
The Peacekeeper mobs up to the key were easy (although I lost focus and balled up, causing me to wipe once when a Splinter-Barrager turned up).
Groups back to the lab once getting the key were annoying - Mantle are tougher than the Peacekeepers but nothing bad happened.
The difficult bit of the mission is the gate to the village. First time I aggroed the gate guards I did it at a distance, suspecting something - but I didn't suspect an army to swarm out and push as far as they did. I wiped at least twice (perhaps even three) against them and had a near wipe before I managed to control aggroing them (my minion hero got to 60% DP).
The village itself wasn't too bad - flagging heroes apart and pulling mobs into them and making sure nothing else came charging towards after dealing with them is all that needs doing. Tranquility can make pulling a little dangerous if you're trying to pull from quite a distance since Prot Spirit can end early if you cast it in the wrong spot.
Final boss wasn't anything special. Managed to spike down one of the Jades when I aggroed and the rest of the battle was just attrition - it would have been much quicker had Claude used Blood Ritual on me instead of Orion or Alesia.
Setup was:
Me (N/Me Fevered Dreams), Vekk (ER Prot+Heal), Whispers (MB+Prot), Xandra (SoS + Heals)
Orion, Claude, Reyna, Alesia.
Could probably replace Vekk since I have a lot of defense already, but meh.
1:44 in the end. Wasted about 10 minutes making tea another 5 on that first wipe.
I did it in HM with an 8 H/H man team from ToA (naturally).
The Peacekeeper mobs up to the key were easy (although I lost focus and balled up, causing me to wipe once when a Splinter-Barrager turned up).
Groups back to the lab once getting the key were annoying - Mantle are tougher than the Peacekeepers but nothing bad happened.
The difficult bit of the mission is the gate to the village. First time I aggroed the gate guards I did it at a distance, suspecting something - but I didn't suspect an army to swarm out and push as far as they did. I wiped at least twice (perhaps even three) against them and had a near wipe before I managed to control aggroing them (my minion hero got to 60% DP).
The village itself wasn't too bad - flagging heroes apart and pulling mobs into them and making sure nothing else came charging towards after dealing with them is all that needs doing. Tranquility can make pulling a little dangerous if you're trying to pull from quite a distance since Prot Spirit can end early if you cast it in the wrong spot.
Final boss wasn't anything special. Managed to spike down one of the Jades when I aggroed and the rest of the battle was just attrition - it would have been much quicker had Claude used Blood Ritual on me instead of Orion or Alesia.
Setup was:
Me (N/Me Fevered Dreams), Vekk (ER Prot+Heal), Whispers (MB+Prot), Xandra (SoS + Heals)
Orion, Claude, Reyna, Alesia.
Could probably replace Vekk since I have a lot of defense already, but meh.
1:44 in the end. Wasted about 10 minutes making tea another 5 on that first wipe.
dancing gnome
Screw the Live Team. This update was so horribly balanced for H/H and martial classes it's pathetic.
Do they play test any of this shit?
- Henchmen are still level 15 and thus usually a liability.
- Mobs are so poorly pathed you end up aggroing more groups than in the Realm of Torment even when you pull them.
- Asuran Beacons punish players for bringing a martial class and are mostly a burden for solo players.
- For some reason the random spawn allies don't spawn in any of the new areas. We'll help you as long as you aren't playing in any area that was previously a mission?
Do they play test any of this shit?
Neo Nugget
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You honestly have no idea how annoying and long it was. It caused me physical pain.
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I only have one character to do it on, but still. I keep putting it off.
zwei2stein
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Screw the Live Team. This update was so horribly balanced for H/H and martial classes it's pathetic.
Do they play test any of this shit? |
* Do not run H/H, run Humans and Heroes instead. PUGDUH
* Observe and pull. Do not leeroy. DUH.
* You are not forced to carry beacons. If they are burden and punishment, do not take them. DUH
* They are not supposed to spawn everywhere. What exactly do you want, permanent 9-member party for all wik stuff? Game is easy enough without npcs using pve only skills on your side.