Update July 29th

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

Skill Changes

* Spiritual Pain (PvP): reduced damage taken by target foe to 5...40; reduced recharge to 12 seconds.
* Unnatural Signet (PvP): add the following functionality: "All of your non-Mesmer spells are disabled for 10 seconds."

[edit] Bug Fixes

* Fixed a bug that caused Calculated Risk and Calculated Risk (PvP) to reflect all damage instead of just damage from attacks.
* Fixed a bug that caused High Commissioner Gyills to use Entourage.
* Fixed a bug that caused Livia to freeze in place in Talmark Wilderness following the War in Kryta.
* Fixed a bug that prevented War in Kryta allies from spawning in postwar North Kryta Province when the player has an active historical royal bounty.

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

They could have avoided so much grief if they didn't just try a halfassed nerf the first time around.

Ranger Jaap

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

So calculated risk is no longer a pain inventer? and what is the point of the all your non mesmer skills are disabled for 10 seconds to nerf the me/any only teams in gvg?

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates
Why shouldn't they update PvP skills? Why does a PvE player care at all when a skill that only exists in PvP is changed?

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
PvEers are the most vocal. PvP never gets updates. PvE gets way more attention.

Do you even play the same game as everyone else?

I'm not even a PvPer and I know it needs attention.

Chucky333

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
Funny thing, you sound exactly like the whiny baby that you talk about here.
"The amount of attention PvP" gets amounts to skill updates i presume? While the PvE community has been getting a boatload of new content via WiK?

If it up to you, PvP would get no attention at all for the sole reason that you don't play it. Just because the majority of GW players only play PvE doesn't mean the PvP community should get absolutely nothing (And it is absolutely nothing that you want, don't tell me you just want to tone it down because PvE'rs bitch and whine here literally EVERY time a pvp-related update is released).
There are still people playing PvP and right now toning down Mesmer-spike before the upcoming MAT is a far more pressing concern than giving you some quest.

The more i see PvE players' reaction to PvP updates recently, the more i start to think the whining and QQ is less about actually wanting yet more new PvE content and more out of spite for the PvP community. That's the impression im getting anyway.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Lol ...fun stuff....the irony lies within the last line.....u know for the hypocrisy...i.e... it was done on purpose.

own age myname

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
PvE gets updates all the time. Considering GW1 is known for it's PvP, I'd probably address the dreadful state the PvP is in right now.

(< PvX, used to PvP a lot, but left because of the dead meta/broken meta)

Tullzinski

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

I rarely play PVP but I am glad that ANET works on it, I am glad they work on anything GW1 related for that matter. My son on the other hand likes PVP alot and plays regulary, I have to drag him into PVE at times.

The more people that play for whatever reason the better.

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

PvP gets the worst kind of attention [GvG-oriented/biased], tbh. Somebody uses a skill or build that somebody doesn't like in GvG, and that person has ties with Anet?:

Update - [Insert Date]

Skill Changes:

[Insert those hated skills here]...

chadS

chadS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

Florida

Don't Rage [シシ]

W/E

Any one that actually plays GvG/HA knows that those skills needed to be fixed.

End of discussion.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
Dumbest. Post. Ever.

They updated TWO skills. That's 2 out of over 1,000 skill in the game. Three of the four bugs they fixed involved strictly PvE content. NEW PvE at that. (Or was that whole "War in Kryta" thing just an illusion brough about by the recent love they gave to PvE Mesmers? - Get it? "illusion" - "Mesmers" hehehe)

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~ View Post
Dumbest. Post. Ever.
That's debatable.

chadS

chadS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

Florida

Don't Rage [シシ]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~ View Post
Dumbest. Post. Ever.

They updated TWO skills. That's 2 out of over 1,000 skill in the game. Three of the four bugs they fixed involved strictly PvE content. NEW PvE at that. (Or was that whole "War in Kryta" thing just an illusion brough about by the recent love they gave to PvE Mesmers? - Get it? "illusion" - "Mesmers" hehehe)
Exactly... They nerfed 2 skills in PvP.

People need to stop bitching about more updates in PvE, you just got WiK.

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ctrl F -> Elementalist -> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Increased Damage -> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Armor Penetration-> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Dervish -> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Paragon -> Phrase Not Found

/Yawn

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

Quote:
Originally Posted by unchosen View Post
ctrl f -> elementalist -> phrase not found
ctrl f -> increased damage -> phrase not found
ctrl f -> armor penetration-> phrase not found
ctrl f -> dervish -> phrase not found
ctrl f -> paragon -> phrase not found

/yawn
I wrant mah pve update nao!!! Bawwwwwww!

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Sad to see that CR bug fixed, but we lived without it, so whatevs.

Also, guess I'm the only one who saw Snow's post ripe with sarcasm.

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath View Post
I wrant mah pve update nao!!! Bawwwwwww!
When did opinions become "Bawww"? I just thought that this update was uninteresting...I would be saying the same thing if its some random PvE update that doesn't deal with underpowered classes.

And its not like PvP players don't do the same thing.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
Yes, because balancing skills in a competitive format isn't as important as doing the same in a non-competitive format.

Wut?


(PS, I'm a PvE player. Stop whining. It makes us look bad)

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnChosen View Post
When did opinions become "Bawww"? I just thought that this update was uninteresting...I would be saying the same thing if its some random PvE update that doesn't deal with underpowered classes.

And its not like PvP players don't do the same thing.
Since Bawwwwww was invented? Complaining about a little update being little doesn't address anything besides the fact that you are unimpressed with it being little. It's basically whining. Or BAWWWWWWWWWWWW.

SteeleB

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnChosen View Post
Ctrl F -> Elementalist -> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Increased Damage -> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Armor Penetration-> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Dervish -> Phrase Not Found
Ctrl F -> Paragon -> Phrase Not Found

/Yawn
You forgot:

Ctrl F -> Ranger -> Phrase Not Found

Ellix Cantero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
So far so good.

thelyfe21

thelyfe21

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2010

The land of Moogles and Chocobos.

Vir Legio.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
Quoting for hypocrisy.

Why shouldn't they update PvP skills? Why does a PvE player care at all when a skill that only exists in PvP is changed?
Please learn the definition of hypocrisy BEFORE you try to use it. Nothing about what he said was hypocritical.

Hypocrisy - insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have.

On topic:

I haven't gotten too far through ANY of the campaigns, so I haven't been to EoTN yet, and have not even heard of some of those skills. Lol. But at least they're still fixing problems and not letting them go.

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

Quote:
Originally Posted by thelyfe21 View Post
Please learn the definition of hypocrisy BEFORE you try to use it. Nothing about what he said was hypocritical.
Hypocrisy - insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Lol ...fun stuff....the irony lies within the last line.....u know for the hypocrisy...i.e... it was done on purpose.
Not according to him.

thelyfe21

thelyfe21

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2010

The land of Moogles and Chocobos.

Vir Legio.

If you read it, that last sentence was NOT hypocritical. He didn't say he had a belief, it was a stupid idea that he didn't mean. NOT a belief. So no, both Essence Snow and MisterB are wrong.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm View Post
Sad to see that CR bug fixed, but we lived without it, so whatevs.

Also, guess I'm the only one who saw Snow's post ripe with sarcasm.
Glad to see someone got it

Quote:
Originally Posted by thelyfe21 View Post
If you read it, that last sentence was NOT hypocritical. He didn't say he had a belief, it was a stupid idea that he didn't mean. NOT a belief. So no, both Essence Snow and MisterB are wrong.
Maybe poor word choice on my behalf...oh well.

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by thelyfe21 View Post
Please learn the definition of hypocrisy BEFORE you try to use it. Nothing about what he said was hypocritical.

Hypocrisy - insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have.
Thank you for the correction. It's another word I'm looking for.

Ka Tet

Ka Tet

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]

at least no one used the word irony /sigh

Oleg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

The Apologetti

W/

I’m glad we have the definition of “hypocrisy” sorted. Now let’s work on “pedantic”.

Dawn Angelheart

Dawn Angelheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

We Bought Plan C On [Ebay]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates....
Guess what... WE PLAY GUILD WARS how do you have GUILD WARS? You play GUILD VS GUILD BATTLES So obviously they are supposed to be pretty important.

chadS

chadS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

Florida

Don't Rage [シシ]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart View Post
Guess what... WE PLAY GUILD WARS how do you have GUILD WARS? You play GUILD VS GUILD BATTLES So obviously they are supposed to be pretty important.
What's a guild battle?

Morphy

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Getting pretty tired of constant PvP updates.....does the majority of the GW player base care about PvP? Why not cater more to the masses? Just b/c they seem to be more vocal? Is that the reason?.............Is it b/c it is that much easier to implement and therefore updates can be panned out with minimal effort? I'm just curious. Is Anet banking on the PvP player base to purchase GW2? Must be given the amount of attention they get.....or maybe it's much like a whiny baby......give it constant attention and hope it shuts up? Maybe the PvE crowd should try the same vocal puerility?
I'll give you 6/10 because some people actually reacted. Bit too obvious, though.

Good update, I suppose, but why didn't they just avoid buffing this shit in the first place?

reaper with no name

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart View Post
Guess what... WE PLAY GUILD WARS how do you have GUILD WARS? You play GUILD VS GUILD BATTLES So obviously they are supposed to be pretty important.
Actually, it's a reference to all the wars that occurred in the past in Tyria.

Now, continue your bickering, children. I find it amusing.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns View Post
PvP gets the worst kind of attention [GvG-oriented/biased], tbh. Somebody uses a skill or build that somebody doesn't like in GvG, and that person has ties with Anet?:

Update - [Insert Date]

Skill Changes:

[Insert those hated skills here]...
This.
Game is called Guild wars for a reason , but that's not a valid to reason to leave EVERY other pvp format without any update.

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Missing HB View Post
This.
Game is called Guild wars for a reason , but that's not a valid to reason to leave EVERY other pvp format without any update.
The valid reason is that they'd rather spend their time trying to fix a format that's actually relevant.

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
The valid reason is that they'd rather spend their time trying to fix a format that's actually relevant.
It's this kind of mentality that's causing the rest of the PvP formats to rot. Games die due to this type of attitude/piss-poor management approach.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns View Post
It's this kind of mentality that's causing the rest of the PvP formats to rot. Games die due to this type of attitude/piss-poor management approach.
No it is lack of play in the other formats that cause the format to rot. ???

Rename thread to people arguing over whether pve or pvp deserves more attention.

Ferminator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

D/

they fixed a few bugs and patched a couple of skills, its just a misc update, get over it.

Mintha Syl

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

No updates=whines
Updates=whines

Really, they can't do an update specifical for every single person who plays, I thought it was obvious...I don't care about PVP, I dislike WiK etc while there would be other things I'd like updated...but yeah, I'm not the only one out here so I'm happy just they're doing something and making someone happy. What's wrong with it?