REMOVE RA/Freeze Glad title

Title says it all.

RA has become a battle grounds for nothing but syncers and new players. Every week i see more and more sync teams that roll over the real random player teams. Even if the random teams have an ok set (war,ele,nec,monk) they are getting rolled.
In a ideal virtual world like GW could be, the people running the show would have and should have frozen the glad title after removing HB and TA. However, being that the people running the show are not perfect they did not do this.
RA has become the "who can sync better arena." Yeah, it's random for the syncers, they might not get all 4 people trying to sync on the team. They might just get 3 people. Either way, RA is a joke, the glad title is a joke and its just a grind now. The title should have been frozen when TA was removed.
So, I'm suggesting the removal of RA or the freezing of the glad title to kill the syncers. After all, is it a meaningful title if it is won by syncing against totally random teams or worse yet, random teams of NEW pvp players? One thing i do know is i'm tired of wanting a random match for fun..and then seeing 4 playes with matching tags in an RA match..
remove RA and bring in a learners arena or freeze the title to get rid of the glad title grinders.
TA is gone...get over your title that coincided with it....

1. QQ

2. You want to replace RA with a learners arena when GW2 is (hopefully) right around the corner?

Maybe they should figure out a way of combating syncers before totally getting rid of RA

Suggestions...regardless of GW2 coming out this game will continue. You want to troll go someplace else.
Also, i suggested FREEZING THE TITLE this will kill the syncers...
I'm not QQing...it's a meaningless title now. The title means you are a good syncer or a old TA player..it means nothing anymore..preserve what little meaning it has and kill the title by freezing it...you can freeze it by removing glad points..or changing the arena to a "NEWB PLAYERS ARENA" or remove the arena all together. Whatever way you look at it, random arenas is now as broken as TA or HB ever was. I guess the old saying that "shit floats down stream" can be applied to RA. Remove HB and TA and the shit flowed down to RA....
Also, the only people that would QQ about my suggestion are people wanting to fill their HoM or that are currently syncing and grinding the title. Please explain other motives for crying over the glad title being frozen as it should be.

I dont play RA and i have no glad title. But you really seem to care about RA and its deletion. Why does it matter so much to you that RA be removed from the game? Its really easy to ignore if you dont play it. Its not like you just want the syncers taken care of. You want it deleted so therefore you wouldnt be able to play it either. So again im curious to see why you care so much.

Also for a "meaningless" title you certainly seem to be raging about it..

More on topic* If they decide to remove RA they shouldnt add a "learners arena." When you first make a PvP character on a new acct. you go through a tutorial in The Isle of the Nameless.

RA is full of Syncers,
Codex is fail,
HA is full of people running brainless gimmicks that get nerfed and then they choose the next one.
GvG is dead

Seriously, if everytime someone complained they removed an arena there wouldnt be pvp anymore.

How about suggesting fixture instead of taking on an obscenely lazy and cold-hearted approach?

I can think of many suggestions that just may resolve RA's issues:

Balance - force a constant rule of ONE and ONLY ONE MONK allotted per team at any given time.
Syncers - There's no real remedy to stop players from syncing, tbh...; the real remedy? --> Learn to play the most optimized builds, even if they ARE from WIKI (beats bringing sub-par skills and falling flat on your face!).
Dishonor - Add a condition whereby players that type /resign forfeit all Balthazar faction and subtract one point off the "total wins" counter for gladiator point progression [only to be active if 3/4 or less type /resign].

This suggestion is far better than trolling due to your accumulated spite and anguish.

IMHO RA would be a nice starting area, no need to remove it, while then implementing another one (which would still need to be random since newer people don't know anything about teamplay). Just removing the glad title should be sufficient imho. I see often new people starting playing this game (even with GW2 behind the door, or maybe for this actual reason), who are interested in PvP: it's a shame that they eventually become frustrated seeing all the hatred coming by people who want to grind their title in a place designed to be newbie-friendly.

But...I like to do some RA from time to time...

Pick an idea and stick with it. Removing RA would be a bad thing, because it's the only true unorganized PvP format left that people actually play (poor Codex...I actually liked it...). As for removing the Glad title, I couldn't care less, because I neither care about it nor have the luck to get teams good enough to get any Glad points.

QQ Moar.

Syncers can be fixed, but it would need to be super-stealth else folks would get around it. When matching up, the follow rules are applied:

1. Avoid matching players you have pm'd in the past 10 minutes.
2. Avoid matching players you have grouped with in the past 10 minutes.
3. Avoid matching players from the same guild or alliance in RA.
4. Avoid matching players from the same district/region if that district has less than 8 active match joiners.

If those were all applied silently, there would be no more syncing.

No matter how you slice it, RA is the easiest PvP to pick up, and gives even the newbs a fighting chance against other newbs to earn some faction.

Randomizing the RA queue would immediately solve the problem.

I'm not saying to remove if they fix it by freezing the title..thus eliminating all title grinding syncers...

ok
1) its RA..random arena...i love it..its pure pvp take what you are given and work with it....so allowing a ONE MONK per team is not random
2) yes, you can stop syncers, remove the title and freeze the glad title track like what happened to the HB commander title...
3)Make RA like AB..you can resign or leave once..then after the one resign/leave the DH hammer will hit you if you do it again..
Anyway you look at it, RA is broken and not random. It is not random because of syncers grinding and people wanting the HoM statue. If real pvpers play and like random arenas titles should not matter. Also, there is no real good arena for new players to learn in. What do they (new pvp players) learn in RA? They learn that you need to sync (cheat) to get anywhere. I said it before, I'll say it again, remove the title track from RA. Freeze the glad title like the commander title was frozen when HB was taken out. This will eliminate all syncers because there is no reward.
Now, I do think there should be a reward for doing RA. Replace the glad points with extra balth faction or something. Jut Take the syncers for the tilte out of the game please.

The anet team tried fixing the syncing problem already. Can you explain how to fix it in a better way? They already toyed with the servers and other things i don't know about. You know more? Please give details.
How long would it take the ANET team to implement your rules? They can't even fix the paragon and dervish classes before next Christmas. Also, as i said before, I'm not QQing. I am merely suggesting a fix to a problem. This title is tainted, TA is gone and most people above g4 were TA players. Anyone you see above g4 in RA is there most likely to grind it and sync it. Syncing is not random..random arena is broken....delete it or remove/freeze the glad title track. PvP in general is messed up because of grinders. The grinders find ways to exploit the game to get the maximum benefit. IMHO, the only thing that should be titled in pvp is GvG.

Their "fix" was to unite the RA queue across districts. Naturally, this doesn't actually do anything about syncing because the point in syncing is to hit enter at the same time.

Edit: forgot to answer your question. The fix that I'm suggesting is to select teams at the 30 second mark randomly, instead of in order.

You want to remove the syncers from RA, then bring back TA. The reason people sync is because the only other 4v4 arena is codex and it's dead most of the day as well as pretty fail. All anet would need to do would be bring back TA as it was and add in the bit of code from codex that only allows one of each profession per team.

I agree with you 100%. But ANET is not bringing back TA. And like i said, they left a white elephant in the room by deleting TA and not freezing the glad title track. Shit flows down stream and RA was down stream from TA. So naturally all the glad title hunters moved to the only place they could to get points. So now RA is plagued by syncers..and i hate it.
I love the idea of facing four random people and having three other random people on my team. I'll play the cards i am dealt. Syncers are like cheaters at a poker game. They are not willing to play the cards they are dealt.

There's a difference between abusing the system and going outside of the system to cheat.

The problem is in RA things aren't really made so u keep the "fun" long time there.If during days and days you keep getting four melee , having no monk, fighting syncing teams , fighting meta wiki builds 24/7 ( bsurge , empathy/parasitic spammers , ..), never getting even 3 consec , you obviously will want to sync so you get a few points at least.

I know it's not fair , but well , is it more fair to play in HA at dead hour and to hold hall hours with " the build " on 1v1 free fame maps?

I don't think deleting the title/arena will do good , since it's the only format left where you don't need to wait hours to play, and where you can barely be able to test build. However, changing the title by making 1 win = 1 point, and changing the number of points required for each rank would have been nice. This should have been made for years , and now there probably won't be any update...

So abusing the "system" is ok? It wasn't in HB and TA. They were deleted for "in the system abuse." Cheating is cheating...i don't care if its from an external source as you seem to be suggesting or a in game exploit that is found. It needs fixed, or ANET looks like a bunch of Hippocratic fools for deleting HB and TA saying those arenas were ABUSED and thus NEEDED deleted but then leaving RA to be abused..

This issue won't get fixed so I suggest you do what many other's have done when it comes to PvP is to suck it up or stop playing it.

Okay, this is not really a solution that I would consider out of bounds, and I would probably support it if it weren't for one thing: that leaves only Hero, Champion, and Honor to affect the balth faction cap. I don't really feel like it would be okay to freeze Gladiator and effectively stop anyone who doesn't have levels in it from grabbing higher balth ranks. We'd essentially need some other track to take Gladiator's place of granting players progress on the balth faction track that would again be mutually exclusive with Gladiator for the benefit it grants.

Of course, we can just throw all of the to the wind if ANet eventually agrees that the balth faction cap does not have to be so perfectly located at 250k.

It's not like we (the Test Krewe) haven't discussed issues with RA in the past. We just haven't made a move on any changes because no ideas have sprung up that the Developers thought were so good that they'd deserve being implemented right away. But now, John Stumme is spearheading the team in a way that makes me feel like if any changes were going to get pushed through on RA, now is the time.

u want to remove place where ppl learn basics of pvp? also, some ppl do RA for fun, not glad title. u can still enjoy it without caring about syncers. if u care about syncers SO MUCH, go to PvE. banning syncers or preventing syncing would kill syncers too. stop QQing and play.

I'm obviously not privy to the coding process, but I'm willing to bet that recoding the queue to select randomly instead of in order would have taken less time to implement than what they actually did.

Might as well remove RA. They removed TA so where are the syncers supposed to go?

I agree with you on removing RA however your reasons are a bit unjustified. You say "I" too much and don't place many facts to backup your statement to why it should be removed. If you dislike RA, which is the vibe I'm getting, simply don't play it. Stop QQing in this thread unless you have viable proof to why your right. Also, you are QQing, as soon as someone said so you had to snap back as if you were ready to be called a troll. Gwguru's community has to deal with more important things than listen to the wasteful thread space like this. Go play jq/fa/ha...GG

Codex.. There's a nice shiny title to acquire there yet you don't see many people playing that.

Just randomise the RA queue system like Lemming suggested and add dAT's/mAT's for Codex with increased rewards, problem solved.

Why not merge gladiator and codex titles, leaving RA without title, and letting people who like to have their HoM statue play CA (which could revamp it perhaps)?

Perhaps prevent RA Teams with ppl in the same guild?

so the problem with the game in your own words is that people exploit things. so the people like myself who don't exploit this are gonna miss out on a format they really like because players cheat? also, why didn't you just start off with this explanation of the problem as the original topic since its obvious this is where your problem in the format really is based on. i have have no issue with this being your problem. it is an issue, but its also a problem that lies with cheating players and not with RA itself. Get rid of the cheaters and get rid of the problem.

EDIT: I am no programmer so I have no idea how this would work so I can offer no solution. At least I don't see as many bots as I used to see

actually eliminate the privalage of same alliance syncing, problem solved

I have less than 1k til Glad8 and I got 99% of my glad points from RA, so excuse you. All you've done here is whine without providing any real evidence that supports what you're suggesting. If you're worried about syncers, complain about them still being able to sync, instead of removing the pvp format that they like to do it in.

Screw that. I don't like Codex, and I shouldn't be forced to play it to increase my title. The problem with RA is syncers, not the RA format itself, so stop punishing people who actually like it for what it is.

Well, nobody forces you to grind your title, except yourself, that's a very old story . However, i've already stated before that syncing is only one half of the problem, the other being the terrible attitude of grinders who take way too seriously a format that the community needs as a starting ground for newbies (hence a very forgiving one), who, instead, are now pushed away from PvP by the hatred they found there. Without TA and with CA almost dead there is nothing, except RA, where new people can start to make practice.

Don't blame Anet for bad gameplay. It's also the people that play who are complete RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOtards ruining the game. RA is all about resign, verbal abuse and mindRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing teenagers sitting there every moment of the day when you log in. It's a dual of provoking each other and ruining other peoples play by leeching, leaving, trolling and having running/prot bars mend to run till times run out. Face it RA is like the 4chan off guildwars. Every game has haters but GW is filled with it. Anets fault is not dealing with the problem and even not aknowlegding it. Report tickets from verbal abuse, leeching (even with screens of people whispering they always leech and never get banned for it) always result in We can confirm this players is annoying but not going against any rules of violation.

But PvP is dead for long now and Anet either does not care of can't handle the situation.

Edit: Removing RA will only make those people express themself somewere else. There are enough solutions such as increasing the required Glad points (again) and reward 1 point every win and bonus points for every 5 consecutive. Toggle teams every match so your stuck with you teammates for only 1 match (prevents syncers, leavers, being kicked if one person hits 25 wins and people that resign to fast) and Anet should take actions against verbal abuse fixing the dishonerd system and actual doing something. A single support employ that goes over the all-chat in RA once in a time can suspend loads of acounts for verbal abuse etc and maybe if they moderate "more" (that is if they moderate at all) they have less support tickets.

Yeah thats the problem devolpers that don't get idea's. That simply does not work. I mean c'mon it's like a car with no engine.

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That aside, lemmings idea is perfect.

And I agree that syncing is easily a form of cheating. Its not even arguable that it isn't. I agree with the OP.

"Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others." ~Wikipedia.

lol i never got what this meant

Neither did I but since today I know it's a word filter if you use the F word.

Sounds like a troll...if you're mad about the suggestion that's fine. There were plenty of reasons outlined for my suggestion.Maybe you should go back and read something instead of flaming and QQing on here. Here is one screen shot of what a lot of people get to face in RA every 5 to 15 minutes of playing RA.

I just returned to RA this week after months to find it the way you guys said. I was trying to understand why the hell do i always loose, never get a freakin monk and always going against a team with perfect balancing (not 2 monk or no monk at all, no 3 mesmers 1 ele etc.) I though i am that bad, which is depressing in a supposedly newbie friendly place. Before, i managed to get to rank3 glad with real honest RA. I dont care much about it but im proud of it for my own.

I would feel sorry for the good old RA should it be deleted, i enjoyed it, i could learn from my mistakes and gladly wrote "gg" into the public chat after a hard battle. But i didnt see any of these from others in 1 week. Thats sad.

Syncers IMO deserve ban from the arenas. But its not gonna happen, and wouldnt solve the problem as long as there is a reason to sync --> glad title is the sacrificial lamb. Its Anet's fault that they implemented meaningless titles to unlock some features like that statue in HoM or that show-off pvp rank emotes. Playing should be its own reward, not some ridiculusly simple reward (title track) which can be easily abused by some sad pathetic emotionaly scarred kids.

BTW i learned programming a little, so i think i can tell; Lemming's idea is easy to do.
-At the end of the usual 30sec countdown, see if there are a minimum of 2x4=8 player is gueued up, if more, cut from the end (i think this is how it works now, with all the districts)
-assign the 2x4 players to numbers from 0 to 7, then run a simple randomization:
random between 0-7, outcome should be called x (x is a number here, say 3) --> 1st party 1st character is the player who was assigned to the number x (3)
-random between 0-7 again, called y (say 6) --> 1st party 2nd char is player "y" (6)
after every random see if the given number is present already in the final queue. If present, random again. Do this until all assigned number is used up and have a place in the final queue.

These steps are purely mathematical and should take less than a second to do.

It doesnt take much to do this with not only 2x4 but with all the players the server can queue up at once, thoug having the server make 2 queues for 1 round halves the capacity of the server for that particular arena. I dont know about you, but i would wait gladly another 30 secs to play RA normaly. Most of the time you get in at once now.

If you hate is so very much...just stop playing it, some people like RA the way it is even though there are syncers...does it effect your gameplay by not playing it? So please, stfu

remove ra?? wtf ra is like the only pvp thing that I like

i'm still wondering why TA was removed and this wasn't theres already enough random stuff. at least they gave access to HA without players needing to beat RA (which didn't work as a system for unlocking higher tier PvP). personally i don't care, although i do like it as somewhere you can go in and not get yelled at for failing, even if your team would never win. theres only so many things you can do to stop sync teams, the easier one would be to give them their on PvP format?