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Baby Nellie

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22 Sep 2010 at 04:37 - 241

Name: Baby Nellie
Art Form: Cake, icing and hand formed candy.
Idea: Mad King Thorn and his Candy Corn Guard.
Progress Gallery: http://i51.tinypic.com/bjaeea.jpg
Artbook Award: [x]
Official Contest: [x] I'm really aiming for this, but since I can try them all.

-checks all-
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Wont win anything, but it was FUN making it!!

Charlie Dayman

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22 Sep 2010 at 06:34 - 242

Had a sudden burst of ideas and replaced the Vabbian kids with two kid-Gwens. Now it's even closer to the original content, and just as hilariously disturbing. Seriously, that scene still scares the crap out of me.

I don't think I'll be putting in Thorn smack dab in the center of the piece behind the Gwens. I want to try and keep this piece as close to the scene as possible, but with a GW vibe to it. Also, I don't really want to draw the attention away from Gwen's stare. So instead, I'll be making a rustic/cheesy MKT wall paper that decorates the halls these two are in. Something like Thorn's pumpkin head adorning the walls.

DO IT.

Operative 14

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22 Sep 2010 at 06:42 - 243

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Oh jeeze charlie, I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. >_<

Charlie Dayman

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22 Sep 2010 at 06:45 - 244

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Oh jeeze charlie, I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. >_<

Then my job here is done.

But you're right, there is something very unsettling about that sketch I made. Probably because Lefty has no eyes, and Righty's face is sunken in.

KRITZ ME DOCKTOR:

Kiya: That's pretty awesome. Dunno if you're still having trouble painting it, but maybe shaving off parts of the paper to give it that proper pumpkin texture? Maybe giving it a bit more surface texture can help bring out the paint even further. Dunno if that's feasible or not since I'm not sure how delicate the head is dried.

Raven: Very nice, I like the gesture and look to her. Though with her right arm being pulled back, her right breast should be slightly pulled back as well. And I say slightly since she's wearing a corset, and that should keep her business well in place. But we should be able to see a bit of her sternum with the posture she's taking.

Also, her right leg seems too long at the upper thigh. We should be able to see the knee joint under or around the first horizontal stocking line. The same can be said about her left leg, though her knee joint would be different since her weight is shifting to that side.

Usk: Lookin' good so far. At the moment, I'd just say maybe smooth and even out the shading on some parts. Other than that, keep on keepin' on.

KJ: Dark satire sounds fun, and would be a nice change from all the usual playful/happy kind of stuff.

Mina: I think a light or mid sort of poison green would work. Your Grasping Dead idea came out really cool as well as those background textures. Looks kind of Kurzicky.

Tommy: As mentioned, it is a bit dark. But if that's what you're going for and don't want to brighten the entire thing, I'd say intensify the lighting on the girl. I think if you push the lighting far enough, there will be enough information there for you not to re-work the whole thing.

Operative: I thought Thorn was giving me the finger, which is something I could see him doing. What you've got done so far looks good. Though I'm a little confused at his ribcage. At the moment, his ribcage is shooting straight into his pelvis. Naturally, the bottom ribs are raised well above the pelvis.

Since he's leaning back, they should be taking more of a "cylinder" type of shape. I'm getting the impression that his shoulders and chest are pull back, but his abs are unnaturally vertically locked in place. Just give them more of a rounded upwards shape and pull them off the hips a bit, and you should be good.

Ravenhawk

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Eon

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22 Sep 2010 at 11:33 - 245

Charlie..didn't you learn that ONE GWEN is more than enough *wails*

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Raven: Very nice, I like the gesture and look to her. Though with her right arm being pulled back, her right breast should be slightly pulled back as well. And I say slightly since she's wearing a corset, and that should keep her business well in place. But we should be able to see a bit of her sternum with the posture she's taking.

Also, her right leg seems too long at the upper thigh. We should be able to see the knee joint under or around the first horizontal stocking line. The same can be said about her left leg, though her knee joint would be different since her weight is shifting to that side. *hug* Thank you so much! I 'll work on those tonight. Here's my progress last night..now you see the whole pic. Was hesitant to show at first because it wont be much of a surprise but I am here to learn (and help other artists) so I'd like to show my progress as much as I can and get feedback:

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22 Sep 2010 at 13:35 - 246

Her expression is priceless :3 I assume its gonna be a kitty under the table? Make it a dirty ugly kitty with a scar on its eye (like scar from the lion king ) At least thats what come to my mind straight away when I see those eyes. The moon outside is a nice touch! Perhabs you could try to work out a bit better what kind of skull it is. I can't think of anything in guildwars with such teeth and horns.

Ravenhawk

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Eon

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22 Sep 2010 at 13:49 - 247

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy's
Her expression is priceless :3 I assume its gonna be a kitty under the table? Make it a dirty ugly kitty with a scar on its eye (like scar from the lion king ) At least thats what come to my mind straight away when I see those eyes. The moon outside is a nice touch! Perhabs you could try to work out a bit better what kind of skull it is. I can't think of anything in guildwars with such teeth and horns.

Thanks! Yeah that's supposed to be a kitty. When I was almost done with the sketch I noticed that blank space underneath the table..so..yeah cat eyes immediately came to mind.

I love that scary kitty suggestion. At first I was thinking of just cat eyes but I might actually need to draw it a little bit depending on the lighting (right now I just think the moon and from the candle..possibly something from the dagger and that would be the main light source for the cat).

The skull she's holding is a Charr skull (I basically looked up lion/tiger skull and put horns on it). The one on the table is a Mergoyle skull..couldn't make up the teeth so I kinda improvised on that part and made it slightly bigger >_>

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mergoyle_Skull

Forgot to mention that I got a critique from Murke/kalinotora in DeviantArt about the arm being too bendy (if that's even a word) so I fixed that part as well. So cheers to her!

Keep those critiques coming and I'll work on them tonight ^_^

And some comments:

Tommy - Liking the progress so far. For the backdrop, how about a sillhouette of mountains/structures (depending on her location) and the sky being more like this one:

Cos I think the GW Halloween moon dude would overshadow the pumpkin face.

Charlie - no comment. really..NO COMMENT. I am still creeped out by those Gwens..Kidding aside, it looks amazing.

Koreena - You are an all around talented artist! I really can't say much but..Wow. I love the color on the pumpkin head. It's very spot on.

Minami - I love the cavern/spidey web look. I also like Charliepai's suggestion of a green light coming from the skellies.

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22 Sep 2010 at 14:14 - 248

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Originally Posted by Charlie Dayman
KJ: Dark satire sounds fun, and would be a nice change from all the usual playful/happy kind of stuff. Cool, then I'll aim around there. I'm planning on trying to write the story in a way that is more deceptive to the reader, but still dark and twisted. Hopefully, it'll come together well.

I need to work on the art that I'm going to put with it, though :/

Charlie Dayman

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22 Sep 2010 at 17:43 - 249

Tzu or whoever else might me managing this thread, I finally got the link to my progress gallery here. I'll try to get some digital stuff done later this weekend, but class projects hold priority at the moment.

http://s1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/charliedayman/

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22 Sep 2010 at 19:20 - 250

creepy charlie....CREEPY! O_O

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

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22 Sep 2010 at 20:50 - 251

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Dayman
Tzu or whoever else might me managing this thread, I finally got the link to my progress gallery here. I'll try to get some digital stuff done later this weekend, but class projects hold priority at the moment.

http://s1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/charliedayman/ Needs more broken flute!

Ravenhawk

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Eon

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23 Sep 2010 at 11:19 - 252

Adjusted the chest based on Charliepai's suggestion. Uhm, I couldn't figure out the knee thing Charlie. I looked at my mesmer in GW and the knee is way below the stockings. Halp!

(yeah I didnt do much last night ..tried to draw the cat and failed miserably >_>)

Charlie Dayman

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23 Sep 2010 at 16:35 - 253

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenhawk
Adjusted the chest based on Charliepai's suggestion. Uhm, I couldn't figure out the knee thing Charlie. I looked at my mesmer in GW and the knee is way below the stockings. Halp!

(yeah I didnt do much last night ..tried to draw the cat and failed miserably >_>) Later tonight, I'll try and do an overlay of an anatomical outline for you. I'm guessing you're having trouble with the stocking placement because you'd need to move the bottom of the skirt upwards. Then you correct the anatomy and hitch up the stockings.

But the chest looks good and definitely fits her posture better.

Ravenhawk

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Eon

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23 Sep 2010 at 18:12 - 254

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Originally Posted by Charlie Dayman
Later tonight, I'll try and do an overlay of an anatomical outline for you. I'm guessing you're having trouble with the stocking placement because you'd need to move the bottom of the skirt upwards. Then you correct the anatomy and hitch up the stockings.

But the chest looks good and definitely fits her posture better. *hug*

I can't thank you enough! I really appreciate it especially knowing how busy you are these days.

I am glad I got the chest right at least ^^ I'll probably spend more time on the drawing tonight. I only spent about 30 minutes on it yesterday. It kinda sucks because I get all my motivation to draw during daytime while at work and I can't do anything about it.

Minami

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24 Sep 2010 at 00:45 - 255

Raven, I can't wait to see your finished pic, it looks very promising! Charlie's suggestion helped your pic too, looking better and better! ^_^

Here's my progress so far... everything is still taking ages to draw, but at least I learned a few key shortcuts by now Also discovered some things that are obvious to other PS users so I won't list them here. ^_^

Here's my pic (note, I removed the skele arms and BG for now):

shading

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24 Sep 2010 at 01:49 - 256

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minami
Raven, I can't wait to see your finished pic, it looks very promising! Charlie's suggestion helped your pic too, looking better and better! ^_^

Here's my progress so far... everything is still taking ages to draw, but at least I learned a few key shortcuts by now Also discovered some things that are obvious to other PS users so I won't list them here. ^_^

Here's my pic (note, I removed the skele arms and BG for now):

shading
Ooo, witches hat anyone?

Minami

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24 Sep 2010 at 02:06 - 257

I was trying to think whether to put a witch's hat on her actually

I like Mina's original hair and headpiece a lot though, so I'm undecided on that as of right now.

Any opinions on that?

Usk Delt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2010

24 Sep 2010 at 02:29 - 258

Nice progress everyone O.o!

@Raven: Really nice progress I love the pose and the face of your pic. Hope evreything goes right after charlie anatomy outline .

@Minami: Nice coloring and use of shades , I suggest you to add more brightness on the metal armor that its front of the light source, since its metal the brightness and shades are really exagerated. As you can see here:

(The image its not mine, its from a very usefull digital painting tutorial :http://itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm , really usefull.)

Another recomendation would be to add some borders on the armor becouse it looks like razors.

And heres my progress so far:

I smudged more zones and fixed some errors .

Charlie Dayman

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24 Sep 2010 at 03:19 - 259

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Originally Posted by Ravenhawk
*hug*

I can't thank you enough! I really appreciate it especially knowing how busy you are these days.

I am glad I got the chest right at least ^^ I'll probably spend more time on the drawing tonight. I only spent about 30 minutes on it yesterday. It kinda sucks because I get all my motivation to draw during daytime while at work and I can't do anything about it. I've had to look at dead human bodies this past week, and I need to take it out on someone. Raven, I'm looking at you.

I re-worked the anatomy and came across a few other, but easy to solve, problems. You'll have to bring down the head and shorten the length on both of her arms. But since you've only got the line-art down, it shouldn't be a big hassle.

From what I understand, she is in a contrapposto stance - basically the artsy fartsy word for a non-symmetrical relief stance where weight is shifted to one side. The side being her left. I went in and added in the curvature of where there would be a definite change in the musculature due to her shifting sides. The blue arrows and circles denote where you should really emphasize that change in line direction or indication of weight. This pushes the idea that she's leaning on her left side or that some form of movement is taking place.

Keep in mind that this is strictly the anatomy of a nude female body. Your drawing is obviously going to be clothed, and won't have that exact line definition where the muscles merge. You can definitely even them out - but just try to follow the general movement. Also, she doesn't have to be that muscular either - it's just a bit of an exaggeration to show you the overall form and "what meets where".

Minami

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24 Sep 2010 at 03:59 - 260

Usk, thanks!

What do you mean by "adding more border"?

I'll try and see how I get along with drawing metallic material. Never tried it before.

Usk Delt

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24 Sep 2010 at 04:09 - 261

Sorry, Im not good with english xD anyway, by border i mean the line or stroke that gives to the armor a shape ( a thick part of metal on the edge of the armor)

Minami

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24 Sep 2010 at 04:20 - 262

No problem

The armor material itself is hard cloth/leather, it's not all metal. I think it's only the green accents on the top and the belt that are a bit metallic.

Ravenhawk

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Eon

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24 Sep 2010 at 04:42 - 263

Thanks everyone esp you Charlie! I'll do the corrections tomorrow. I just did the flat greyscale tonight, They are all in diff layers so I should be able to fix the anatomy anyhow. Just not sure about the head part yet but I'll do my best

Thanks so much again!

Infested Hyrdalisk suggested to change the skull so I did and it looks better.

I'll give feedback on the others' updates tom. Need some sleep ^^

EDIT- just looked at Charlie's corrections again,everything should be doable! I can't wait to work on it tom.

Charlie Dayman

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24 Sep 2010 at 06:55 - 264

Quickly laid down the base colors - still properly positioning her. Also started on shading her face and hair. I haven't added all the lighting layers, so the current shading isn't final.

She is.

Operative 14

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24 Sep 2010 at 08:45 - 265

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Originally Posted by Usk Delt

(The image its not mine, its from a very usefull digital painting tutorial :http://itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm , really usefull.) Excellent resource there! Probably the best study article I've ever seen.

Verene

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24 Sep 2010 at 15:47 - 266

Charlie, that is creepy.

Charlie Dayman

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24 Sep 2010 at 16:20 - 267

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Charlie, that is creepy. I'm glad you and others think so, haha. Trust me, it's going to be even more creepy when I add the hallway and aging effects. Also possibly thinking of having this animated, but we'll see. I'll have to talk to my CG teacher for that since I don't know how to animate anything beyond a .GIF file.

Minami

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24 Sep 2010 at 16:33 - 268

I was looking around on dA for a hair drawing tutorial, and I ended up seeing some absolutely amazing drawings... Needless to say that after looking back at my pic, I feel about this small " . "

Might not work on my pic today, we'll see. :|

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24 Sep 2010 at 17:33 - 269

Having slight issues with the airbrush, but here is the result of this mornings work. Needs some more tweaking.

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24 Sep 2010 at 17:43 - 270

@ Charlie.. Stunning, truely cool. I think the textures were a bit too much on 'The Bride' but now you use them for a more close up face they look very cool. Gives a real feel to the skin. The hair has a cool style aswell! Just the lips bother me a bit. Its almost like she's pouting.

@ Ravenhawk.. Sweet. You are gonna keep it black and white or... Never really understood the idea behind painting it in black 'n white first, but perhabs you have some masterplan behind it. Enlighten me! Just one advice I'd like to give you: be carefull not to get toooo cliché For example, I wouldnt make the curtains raffled, but more likely very chique yet gothic (as far as curtains can be gothic xD) To make my point, your pic includes: An evil moon, a (black?) cat, a skull, another skull, a crow, candle light, those typical scary trees. I think it might be a bit much and might make the picture too busy. The attention point of the picture (I guess) should be her face and buste (boy what a boobs btw! ), yet the picture has more going on at her waiste hight, 2 skulls, candle, crow etc. It's not tooo busy, but I would consider making them not stand out too much with the colouring. Just shade them very lightly. I think I never used to word too so often Still, her expression is priceless, really good.

And Minami, dont let others get you down! You are great and you know it. At least I do.

Ravenhawk

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24 Sep 2010 at 18:23 - 271

Charlie - I am glad that I saw that pic when I woke up this morning not before I slept last night. I am almost certain you'd win the evil award at the very least. lol.

Usk - *saved that link* Liking the progress and the smudging looks great.There's something about the skirt that makes them look stiff though.

Minami - Nice. I just noticed that evil smirk on her face , makes me think that she poisoned those candy corns lol really neat! I am assuming that you'd put more shadings on the armor as well but the details are looking great.

About hair tutorials, hmm..I used to follow this tutorial a lot and I really liked it. May not be the best one but this is what I used to follow. Right now I just follow my own instincts in drawing hair. Not sure how that happened lol:
http://photoshop-tutorials.deviantar...ck-W-117461905

Tommy: Yeah the lighting (which is not obvious yet) would mute down a lot of parts in that pic actually. The room would be generally dark considering that the only source of light would be the candle and the moon in the background. I can't wait to get to the shading. It's always my favorite part of the doing my drawings. (also the highlight part). Also planning to put some peeled wallpaper texture on the wall.

The cat will not be drawn out most probably but just glowy eyes. We'll see.

The grayscale technique I loosely based from this tutorial. I've followed a ton of them that I already mixed and matched different techniques.
http://genzoman.deviantart.com/art/C...r-01-101644185

I didn't want to get stuck trying to figure out what particular colors to use yet but I have a general idea of the hue that I want. I actually applied the greyscale technique to my last three drawings - (Armageddon, The Hawk and The Tiefling/Demon girl).

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24 Sep 2010 at 18:40 - 272

My trust is in Genzoman, he has some mad skills ^^

Cool tut btw :3

Ravenhawk

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Eon

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24 Sep 2010 at 18:49 - 273

lol thanks. It was actually pretty entertaining to read too. He's got some really funny side comments. Hope that helps the others as well. That Genzoman tutorial is pretty much the backbone of my current coloring style.

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24 Sep 2010 at 19:19 - 274

Thanks everyone

This is the hair tutorial I'm following: http://tinyurl.com/2uccomr

Still don't feel like continuing my current work (just thinking about armor shading and texturing makes me cringe... been working on the pic a bit too much methinks), maybe it's time to relax the brain by doodling something else.

I think I will do a face outline and practice some hair drawing on it just for fun.
If I manage to draw something nice looking, I'll post it here (after kicking myself in the ass for not drawing it straight onto my necro )

Usk Delt

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24 Sep 2010 at 19:53 - 275

Thanks for the feedbacks, and yeah i saw the same problem on the skirt, but i think its becouse theres no a background nor floor yet and the character seems out of context but ill try to mix the skirt movement with all the painting later. Thanks for the observation.

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25 Sep 2010 at 02:52 - 276

She's a cute little bean. Her hair looks a little big to me, so I might chop off a bit from the top and sides. I'll probably toss it around a bit at the very end once I've got the background in. Just sort of focusing on this face at the moment, and playing with layers to get that ominous vibe. I'll move on to her clothing and the other twin once I'm satisfied I find that system.

@Kiya: Lookin' good so far

@Mina: Sounds like you need a break. Just put the piece on hold for a few and come back to it later.

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25 Sep 2010 at 03:01 - 277

What a cute little girl you are...

*stops*

You say, your name is Gwen?
And you do wha...?

*slowly backs away*

I like your wreath crown...

*backs up further*

You're very cute.... no, no, don't have to come all the way here...

*turns and runs and will NOT stop*

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25 Sep 2010 at 03:05 - 278

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minami
What a cute little girl you are...

*stops*

You say, your name is Gwen?
And you do wha...?

*slowly backs away*

I like your wreath crown...

*backs up further*

You're very cute.... no, no, don't have to come all the way here...

*turns and runs and will NOT stop* They just want you to play with them is all.

Minami

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25 Sep 2010 at 03:12 - 279

Ah, that's very reassuring...

*keeps running*

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25 Sep 2010 at 03:16 - 280

By the way, I realized I'm not so good at drawing (I know, how can I be, I just started >_< but that doesn't matter), so I will be taking the rest of the week off to work up some confidence and acceptance of not being able to draw what I can visualize exactly.

TBH, that's why I use 3D, even with all the necessary tinkerings one has to do, it's somehow more comfortable for me.

Doing this drawing is WAAAY outside of my comfort zone, and I won't give up on my entry (don't worry), but it just takes time to adjust from one medium to another.