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Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

30 Sep 2010 at 13:55 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokocoko

was the high difficulty of The Battle for Lions Arch, considering it can't be done with heroes & henchmen only

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. Do some moar digging on guru and you'll find out that it's doable hero/hench in NM. The only challenge left is HM hero/hench.

Btw I filled all the survey's comment text boxes with "SEVEN TO ELEVEN HEROES PLS K"

Urass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2008

UTC -5 or -6

30 Sep 2010 at 15:04 - 82

Get rid of the random NPC that joins your team when you zone in... or make it follow the flag.

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

30 Sep 2010 at 19:01 - 83

What would be funny, is if this is just a placebo site to make the carebears feel loved. Doesnt do anything but send your text rants off into the abyss and doesn't even log them on a server.

Similar:
We put a fake thermostat in our office that functioned but wasn't connected to any A/C unit and everyone that tinkered with it quit complaining about the air temperature because they all got to play with it and it made them feel comfortable. LOL, some people are never happy. Fill survey out, feel happy about griping.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

30 Sep 2010 at 20:52 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

What would be funny, is if this is just a placebo site to make the carebears feel loved. Doesnt do anything but send your text rants off into the abyss and doesn't even log them on a server.

To be honest.....that was my first thought.

Emily says their going to read them though, so I'm sure they'll put some effort into it. Oh, wait....this feels familiar. For some reason, the henchmen contest keeps coming to mind. Meh, I'm sure it's nothing. Anet will surely read each and every one.

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

30 Sep 2010 at 21:30 - 85

well, the live team must be the ones reading it. 5 people on live team, they will be done reading them in 8 months.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

30 Sep 2010 at 21:59 - 86

Reading the texts and acting on them are two different things though

But I'll give Anet some credit this time.

Saxxon Askanius

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

2,339 trades on Guru Auctions since 01/2008

wiki/Guild: Mundane_Fabulous_Knights

30 Sep 2010 at 22:48 - 87

That participation was inviting. *thumbs* WiK is/was great fun.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

30 Sep 2010 at 22:56 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxxon Askanius

Hard mode is easy by now and I'm afraid that 7 heroes will be imba.

Wow, it's like reading the thread in which you're posting is a totally unnecessary skill.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

30 Sep 2010 at 23:36 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Emily says their going to read them though, so I'm sure they'll put some effort into it. Oh, wait....this feels familiar. For some reason, the henchmen contest keeps coming to mind. Meh, I'm sure it's nothing. Anet will surely read each and every one.

of course they will... just like they read every single one of the test krewe applications.

MArcSinus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2010

The Netherlands

Are We Friends [NLT]

E/

01 Oct 2010 at 00:17 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

of course they will... just like they read every single one of the test krewe applications.

Yeah it's not like they got anything better to do.

Emily Diehl

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

ArenaNet Home Base

N/Me

01 Oct 2010 at 02:05 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

To be honest.....that was my first thought.

Emily says their going to read them though, so I'm sure they'll put some effort into it. Oh, wait....this feels familiar. For some reason, the henchmen contest keeps coming to mind. Meh, I'm sure it's nothing. Anet will surely read each and every one.

Actually, I was just reading them yesterday. As was John and several other people. I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

01 Oct 2010 at 02:40 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

Actually, I was just reading them yesterday. As was John and several other people. I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

care to share any interesting details? or can we expect a report of some kind about your findings in the near future?

chilly willy

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

W/

01 Oct 2010 at 02:43 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

Actually, I was just reading them yesterday. As was John and several other people. I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

all i can say is seriously consider 7-11(urgoz/kanaxai) heroes even if u cant flag all of them seperately just so u can mod skills and armor/weapons. i know of atleast 20 maybe even 30 people that would buy the trilogy pack+eotn just because they know they won't need any help. and im sure others might think the same or similar. i know for me with my busy schedule i get limited time to play i play by myself because i don't want to sit around and wait for a bunch of putzs for an hour only to possibly fail because someone lagged out or just sucks. i would rather go it myself for the hour i have to play and just get it done or know exactly what i did wrong and fix it. and for those who whine PVE is too easy anyway, bite me! i would love to finally be able to complete doa/uw without having to do a speedclear or pay 100+k for a run. i don't have time for guilds i have my own full hall im not gonna dump that just to join a new guild. and also people who like to PUG will still do so but the people who suck will be playign themselves so more heroes will be even better for you PUG people.

also consider the fact that some parts of tyria were not meant for hard mode and therefore the standard henchmen are not always helpful. and i don't see how 7 heros would make the game easier it would just make it more adaptable which means possibly more fun.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

01 Oct 2010 at 03:42 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

Actually, I was just reading them yesterday. As was John and several other people. I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

If we're skeptical, it's only because we've been given reason.

However, I don't want to be negative about this. I really appreciate you guys and hope you'll really follow through with this. We just haven't seen any results in a while...and the last few "feedback" attempts have been a disaster.

But, all the luck to you. I'm still really enjoying the game (PvP at least), so that's saying something.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

01 Oct 2010 at 03:53 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

Actually, I was just reading them yesterday. As was John and several other people. I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

Pics or it didn't happen!

Or youtube.

Kidding. I've got some high hopes for what may come of this survey.

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

01 Oct 2010 at 03:56 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

I'm sure. Just like when you say you'll do something, you do it. Bimonthly updates.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

But, all the luck to you. I'm still really enjoying the game (PvP at least), so that's saying something.

Probably because pvp is kept fresh and interesting by bimonthly updates.

Emily Diehl

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

ArenaNet Home Base

N/Me

01 Oct 2010 at 04:35 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

care to share any interesting details? or can we expect a report of some kind about your findings in the near future?

We've actually discussed this! When the survey closes, we'll see what we can do about writing a summary. It's set to be active for two weeks, so don't expect anything before then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

If we're skeptical, it's only because we've been given reason.

However, I don't want to be negative about this. I really appreciate you guys and hope you'll really follow through with this. We just haven't seen any results in a while...and the last few "feedback" attempts have been a disaster.

But, all the luck to you. I'm still really enjoying the game (PvP at least), so that's saying something.

Understandable, and thanks for the appreciation and faith on this one. The team honestly does have some really cool stuff in the works, so there are things coming. I wish I could be more specific, but I can't right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Pics or it didn't happen!

Or youtube.

Kidding. I've got some high hopes for what may come of this survey.

I think that a video of John reading a survey online would be pretty boring. Even if we bought him a silly hat

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

01 Oct 2010 at 04:49 - 98

Heh a video would at least shut us up for a day or two. :P

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

D/

01 Oct 2010 at 06:23 - 99

But then people would be complaining that the Live Team is "wasting time" reading stuff when they should be doing the CB, GvG, and dervish changes.

No matter what, the community will always complain. It's basically politics.

betterjonjon

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Knights and Heroes [Beer]

Mo/

01 Oct 2010 at 06:26 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmango

Heh a video would at least shut us up for a day or two. :P

More like 5 mins for some of the people on here.

P.S. All people need to understand is to take breaks, you don't need to play the game 10 hours a day for 5 years straight. If they took even week break every now a then they wouldn't get so bored with the game.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

01 Oct 2010 at 06:58 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

Understandable, and thanks for the appreciation and faith on this one. The team honestly does have some really cool stuff in the works, so there are things coming. I wish I could be more specific, but I can't right now.

heck I dont care WHAT...but a date for something would be nice...like 'expect to hear about something on XXX ??,20??' or 'just in time for halloween---'

throw us a bone PLEASE!

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

01 Oct 2010 at 14:13 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

heck I dont care WHAT...but a date for something would be nice...like 'expect to hear about something on XXX ??,20??' or 'just in time for halloween---'

throw us a bone PLEASE!

I'm with Cosy on this. It's been.....a while. We could really just use something to help us understand that you guys are actually working.

I mean the dervish update was (supposedly) set to be here months ago. It's just getting slightly tiresome.

We don't need anything specific. We just need something to hope for.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

01 Oct 2010 at 16:01 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

We don't need anything specific. We just need something to hope for.

Like... a preview, like you did with the Mesmer update.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

01 Oct 2010 at 17:19 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

heck I dont care WHAT...but a date for something would be nice...like 'expect to hear about something on XXX ??,20??' or 'just in time for halloween---'

throw us a bone PLEASE!

more like throw us a bone and actually stick to what the bone says. i think more people will get mad if they get a bone and the bone is a lie then not getting a bone at all. xD

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

01 Oct 2010 at 18:38 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

more like throw us a bone and actually stick to what the bone says. i think more people will get mad if they get a bone and the bone is a lie then not getting a bone at all. xD

We don't need an exact date. We just need some hope.

A preview, a "we'll have [blank] somewhere before Halloween/Christmas", something. Hell, anything would help at this point.

Although, I don't think a dervish preview is possible. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the TK has even seen anything yet (besides ideas).

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

02 Oct 2010 at 04:50 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

We've actually discussed this! When the survey closes, we'll see what we can do about writing a summary. It's set to be active for two weeks, so don't expect anything before then.

Formulated that vaguely = we already decided to not do it in most cases

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

I think that a video of John reading a survey online would be pretty boring. Even if we bought him a silly hat

How about a video of you all discussing ideas and or results from the survey? You do have meetings where you discuss plans etc right?

One question for you Emily: DO YOU PLAN TO INFORM THE NOT-FANSITE-VISITING-PART OF THE PLAYERBASE ABOUT THE SURVEY INGAME???????

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

02 Oct 2010 at 05:04 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

One question for you Emily: DO YOU PLAN TO INFORM THE NOT-FANSITE-VISITING-PART OF THE PLAYERBASE ABOUT THE SURVEY INGAME???????

This is a very valid point.

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

02 Oct 2010 at 08:13 - 108

I'm thrilled by the very fact that one the dev's are finally communicating with us.

A question for you, Emily: Have you guys considered giving the dervish class some reliable utility [i.e.: knockdowns, interrupts, stance removals, reliable enchanement removals, reliable anti-conditions/hexes, etc.]?

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

02 Oct 2010 at 16:46 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

One question for you Emily: DO YOU PLAN TO INFORM THE NOT-FANSITE-VISITING-PART OF THE PLAYERBASE ABOUT THE SURVEY INGAME???????

Haha, I doubt that will happen. If they already have "thousands" of replies, and only 6 people are going to read them, then I doubt they want to announce it in game.

Sytherek

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

Florida, USA

R/E

02 Oct 2010 at 18:42 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

This is a very valid point.

ANet *has* informed non-forumers about the survey -- through Facebook and Twitter. I found out about it through my FB.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

02 Oct 2010 at 19:00 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

ANet *has* informed non-forumers about the survey -- through Facebook and Twitter. I found out about it through my FB.

Twitter and Facebook are always fansites, I don't think you can compare that to an announcement on log-in screen.
But...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Haha, I doubt that will happen. If they already have "thousands" of replies, and only 6 people are going to read them, then I doubt they want to announce it in game.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

02 Oct 2010 at 19:04 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Haha, I doubt that will happen. If they already have "thousands" of replies, and only 6 people are going to read them, then I doubt they want to announce it in game.

It's a pity though. A link, or a some simple poll at the login would provide a wealth of information for Anet. If they made the questions a simple yes or no, they would have a clear indication of what their playerbase is thinking of this or that without putting a big stress on the Live Team.

To entice us to cooperate, they could even give you a free minipet as reward. What, a title track, with a +1 for every poll you've filled in

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

03 Oct 2010 at 02:34 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

It's a pity though. A link, or a some simple poll at the login would provide a wealth of information for Anet. If they made the questions a simple yes or no, they would have a clear indication of what their playerbase is thinking of this or that without putting a big stress on the Live Team.

Poll taking is a pretty interesting art/science. You can easily gear questions in a way that helps you get the results you want.

However, the Live Team did a decent job of remaining unbiased. The last two questions were obviously leading, but at least they'll have varied responses.

Also, by using a scale, they will be able to find a decent medium of how everyone feels about their different questions. I have a feeling that a lot of the comments will get passed over (and I don't blame them). They will interpret the responses however they want. I just hope we get to see the results.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

To entice us to cooperate, they could even give you a free minipet as reward. What, a title track, with a +1 for every poll you've filled in

No.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

Rt/

04 Oct 2010 at 09:12 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

Actually, I was just reading them yesterday. As was John and several other people. I'm sorry if you guys are skeptical because you can't see us doing it, but if we say we read things, we do.

But to what extend will you follow up on the opinions given by the survey? I remember submitting multiple "creative" builds in the Hench contest, only to find that the winners were people that either directly copied or changed one skill from pvx, a fansite with builds that were considered "inelligible" by your (Anet's) rules.

I think that some of us (myself included) feel that you (the dev team) ARE going to read the surveys, but in the end will stick to your already-planned agenda and hush the fansites with "we're busy with other things."

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

04 Oct 2010 at 09:25 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Drunkard

But to what extend will you follow up on the opinions given by the survey? I remember submitting multiple "creative" builds in the Hench contest, only to find that the winners were people that either directly copied or changed one skill from pvx, a fansite with builds that were considered "inelligible" by your (Anet's) rules.

I think that some of us (myself included) feel that you (the dev team) ARE going to read the surveys, but in the end will stick to your already-planned agenda and hush the fansites with "we're busy with other things."

Exactly what i was thinking of , i wouldn't have say it better . They will probably not even read the comments on the survey though in my opinion , and just make a summary poll , to know what people want , and even ....

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

04 Oct 2010 at 13:00 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Drunkard

I think that some of us (myself included) feel that you (the dev team) ARE going to read the surveys, but in the end will stick to your already-planned agenda and hush the fansites with "we're busy with other things."

Well put. This is only more reason for them to post the results. We've felt lied to too many times.

Jk Arrow

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

WI

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

R/

04 Oct 2010 at 14:49 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

ANet *has* informed non-forumers about the survey -- through Facebook and Twitter. I found out about it through my FB.

I just wanted to reiterate my detest for these sites as a place to release announcements.

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

04 Oct 2010 at 14:55 - 118

The survey is a nice way for A.Net to gauge the thoughts and feelings of the playerbase. I doubt all that much will come about as a result. Perhaps it'll effect which arguments and words the CR team will use to explain the actions of the dev team.

Silverblad3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

UK

I use to love CB :(

Mo/

04 Oct 2010 at 15:12 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jk Arrow

I just wanted to reiterate my detest for these sites as a place to release announcements.

Agreed hate the use of FB and Twatter for announcements. Do not follow it and will not follow it.

If they are asking our opinion on GW:B for future content, well it shows you how far they have planned, not very far at all. There was no development plan for GW, just make it up as you go along and hence CR was crippled to inactivity regarding updates and anything of value.

Seen no reference to the new HA Map in anything recently that was announcend last year. Sickeningly disappointing to say the least.

Really poor CR, management and use of resources in terms of the output of updates. Now that would make for a better survey.

Silver

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

04 Oct 2010 at 15:12 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

The survey is a nice way for A.Net to gauge the thoughts and feelings of the playerbase. I doubt all that much will come about as a result. Perhaps it'll effect which arguments and words the CR team will use to explain the actions of the dev team.

I have a feeling it'll go like this:

Live Team has some ideas for GW
They make a survey
We take the survey
They read the results of the survey
They blame the delay of updates on their desire to incorporate our ideas from the survey into the game
The Live Team just carries through on their old ideas and tells us that our ideas and feedback were nice but impossible to implement into the game
???
Profit