It is said that 10k hours is the magic number to be an expert at anything.
I know there are definitely people with 10K hours total on their account. How about the number of people with 10K hours on one character?
I myself have about 1500 hours on ele and 900 hours on necro, out of about 4.5k hours. (About half was afk with computer left on for holidays, left in the background, and such though.)
I'm just curious. 10K hours would be about $100K real life money if you work for only $10 (most players work for more or are 13-18).
See "Outliers" wikipedia article: A common theme that appears throughout Outliers is the "10,000-Hour Rule", based on a study by Anders Ericsson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_%28book%29
http://www.psy.fsu.edu/faculty/erics....exp.perf.html
" For example, the critical difference between expert musicians differing in the level of attained solo performance concerned the amounts of time they had spent in solitary practice during their music development, which totaled around 10,000 hours by age 20 for the best experts, around 5,000 hours for the least accomplished expert musicians and only 2,000 hours for serious amateur pianists."
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...e-a-superstar/
"The 10,000 hour rule has become a cliche. This is the idea, first espoused by K. Anders Ericsson, a psychologist at Florida State University, that it takes about 10,000 hours of practice before any individual can become an expert. The corollary of this rule is that that differences in talent reflect differences in the amount and style of practice, and not differences in innate ability"
Basically 5 years at 40 hours per week.
How many people have 10k hours total on ONE character?
LifeInfusion
jazilla
i am only at 8k hours. so i guess i am a noob.
Shayne Hawke
I'm at just under 5206 hours on my account. I'm willing to wager that anybody that has over 10k on one character has done a ridiculous amount of AFKing.
Mesmers Are Bad
Thanks for making me feel worse about playing this game>.<
I have 9.5k over 55 months, my most played character is 2.75k hours over 40 months. /wristsoverthe$95kididn'tmakeinthattime
But hey, instead of $27,500 I have a GWAMM.
I have 9.5k over 55 months, my most played character is 2.75k hours over 40 months. /wristsoverthe$95kididn'tmakeinthattime
But hey, instead of $27,500 I have a GWAMM.
cosyfiep
well my highest character has 1600 hours--and he did afk during holidays for the masks (next has 1300) with only ~9000 on the account (though I must also mention I have LOTS of characters--about 18 I play regularly).
Essence Snow
Here inlies a major flaw in that as it relates to GW. It does not take nearly that amount of time on one character to achieve the highest tier in GW. So there is no real reason for someone to strive for anything past that tier. This is why most players have multiple characters.
ex) it doesn't take 10k hours to become an expert at tying an over-hand knot.....but it might to become an expert at tying all knots.
There are alway variables to consider. The general rule cannot be applied to everything.
ex) it doesn't take 10k hours to become an expert at tying an over-hand knot.....but it might to become an expert at tying all knots.
There are alway variables to consider. The general rule cannot be applied to everything.
dracolysis
I have about 4k over 47 months, but I have quit/return multiple times over the years. My assassin has 2.1k over 24 months.
I think many if not most of the hours are due to leaving Guild Wars on with my character standing in my GH when I used to have class, slept, AFK'd, etc.
I often get messages saying that I have played for X days, and they suggest for me to take a break :P
I think many if not most of the hours are due to leaving Guild Wars on with my character standing in my GH when I used to have class, slept, AFK'd, etc.
I often get messages saying that I have played for X days, and they suggest for me to take a break :P
Lanier
who the hell spends enough time playing guild wars to reach 10k hours on a character? Iv got like 3k on my account, and much of that was spent afk.
Thevil King
simply playing 10k hrs does not mean the player is pro or anything. as a matter of fact, even 1000k hrs is irrelevent. this is simply because these ppl can go afk all day for all we know.
even IF this entire 10k rule is real, it is entirely unapplicable to the gw /age system. why? because /age is not a good indication of how much time a player REALLY spent, and what did he spent it on - chatting? pve?pvp?afk? there is simply no accurate way of measuring
even IF this entire 10k rule is real, it is entirely unapplicable to the gw /age system. why? because /age is not a good indication of how much time a player REALLY spent, and what did he spent it on - chatting? pve?pvp?afk? there is simply no accurate way of measuring
Pleikki
My necro has 1400hours, But ive remade it around factions release. But 10k hours? lol.. thats twice more then i got on my main account 
Missing HB
Agree with Thevil King , considering there are many things that can be done afking ( i.e canthan new year ) , ask to be ran some titles , time waitings to form in pvp or to wait an opponent , i can't consider /age is something relevant ...
To give you an example , for last 2 weeks , i waited twice more than i played in pvp ( restarts/time form especially .. )
To give you an example , for last 2 weeks , i waited twice more than i played in pvp ( restarts/time form especially .. )
afmart
so yeah i've only played 3k ours over 5,5 years, im a noob FML
Morphy
If you play PvE for 10k hours you're still not good at anything. Just saying.
Raven Wing
13382h over 61 months on my favo char. But I'm extremely lazy sometimes, now and then i forget to turn off GW and comp when going to bed, so as much as 75% of it might be 100% idle afk time.
Does that makes me an expert? not really lol. Im a decent player, no more than that.
Does that makes me an expert? not really lol. Im a decent player, no more than that.
Gill Halendt
Sure there's A LOT of AFKing - be it 9 Rings, breaks, you name it - but I'm a rather obsessive player nonetheless:
The bad habbit of leaving characters AFK has admitedly gone rampant during the hack-syndrome last year, to the point that I used to log on on my netbook using a UMTS connection while @ work just to check my account during pauses.
Yeah, I'm THAT paranoid...
The bad habbit of leaving characters AFK has admitedly gone rampant during the hack-syndrome last year, to the point that I used to log on on my netbook using a UMTS connection while @ work just to check my account during pauses.
Yeah, I'm THAT paranoid...
Coast
faiths got nearly 20k h on his monk, lol
Tommy's
Guild Wars now exists 65 months. Assuming that Faiths played for this long, that gives him an average of about 10 hours a day. Thats just mad crazy. Don't people need to work and eat or something?
Morphy
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Guild Wars now exists 65 months. Assuming that Faiths played for this long, that gives him an average of about 10 hours a day. Thats just mad crazy. Don't people need to work and eat or something?
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snowman relic
uhh wow just ruined like 63 months of starting a new toon every time it hit 1k hours i though that was the rule for expert
Warvic
You cannot become a expert if you haven't played with other professions.
And what others have said. 10k hours do not say anything. Maybe they only pve'd. So they are very bad in pvp. Or maybe the player was afk alot! I for one, have quite some hours on my LdoA. >.>
Oh and lol @ people with more then 15k hours on a account. it's sad.. really.
And what others have said. 10k hours do not say anything. Maybe they only pve'd. So they are very bad in pvp. Or maybe the player was afk alot! I for one, have quite some hours on my LdoA. >.>
Oh and lol @ people with more then 15k hours on a account. it's sad.. really.
Crassus Praetor
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Oh and lol @ people with more then 15k hours on a account. it's sad.. really.
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had their accounts for a long time, and been afk for a lot of it.
It is impossible to measure how much time they have actually spent
consciously on GW, for all you know they are just forgetful and leave
GW on by accident.
Warvic
ofcourse ^^ but my account was also made in 2005. I have less then 4k hours O.o
Even if 50% of that time is afk. It still means they were like 300+ days afk. why would you waste 300+ days of electricity? :O
Even if 50% of that time is afk. It still means they were like 300+ days afk. why would you waste 300+ days of electricity? :O
mathiastemplar
People with 10k hours are experts at being /afk...
Time spent does not decide how good you are at it.. Also, you should've played all aspects of the game (pve/pvp) and on multiple characters to call yourself an expert.
My main char is 3,257 hours old (5,859 hours on acc) over 54 months.. I don't see how I could call myself an expert.
When you don't ever need wiki anymore and never need to ask questions about anything IG, you may call yourself an expert on GW.
But you could also be an expert at indivudual stuff, like HA, RA or specific PvE stuff.
Time spent does not decide how good you are at it.. Also, you should've played all aspects of the game (pve/pvp) and on multiple characters to call yourself an expert.
My main char is 3,257 hours old (5,859 hours on acc) over 54 months.. I don't see how I could call myself an expert.
When you don't ever need wiki anymore and never need to ask questions about anything IG, you may call yourself an expert on GW.
But you could also be an expert at indivudual stuff, like HA, RA or specific PvE stuff.
snaek
gw is all about time>skill.
Zodiac Meteor
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People with 10k hours are experts at being /afk...
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My main char is 3,257 hours old (5,859 hours on acc) over 54 months.
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therangereminem
i have over 12k total hours in 64 months but the past 14 months ive playe dmaybe 3 hours becuz of aion lol .... so yeah i have no life i belive my aion play time in 1 year now is like 3k hours and i rarly afk in aion due to the 30 min kick timer
Iuris
10000 hours may apply to mastering a real life activity. A martial art or similar.
A single game... not so much. Think about this: would you really need to spend 10000 hours to learn all the possibilities of tic tac toe?
A single game... not so much. Think about this: would you really need to spend 10000 hours to learn all the possibilities of tic tac toe?
Quaker
I have 9,340 hours across all characters, but the most for any one character is around 2900. Unfortunately, given how seldom I play any more, I`m not apt to reach the 10k mark ever.
P.s - No significant afk either. The longest I`ve ever been afk was maybe 1 hour doing one of those 9-rings things (eating) - and then, only the one time.
P.s - No significant afk either. The longest I`ve ever been afk was maybe 1 hour doing one of those 9-rings things (eating) - and then, only the one time.
garethporlest18
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ofcourse ^^ but my account was also made in 2005. I have less then 4k hours O.o
Even if 50% of that time is afk. It still means they were like 300+ days afk. why would you waste 300+ days of electricity? :O |
domaspiragas
I have just under 3k hours across all chars over 46 months. My warrior has 1.23k hours and that's only because of LDoA which is almost all afk time, adding in all of the d/c and unnecessary dying or just being forgotten. I'd say 900 of that would be afk. I'm not sure how people can not get sick of this game from time to time. I pray for a power outage in your neighborhood. Give you some time to go outside. Oh and don't get me wrong 2k hours over almost 4 years is still nothing to be proud of. It's quite embarrassing as is.
BlackSephir
I can leave my characters AFK for sick amount of time and easily get over 10k hours on many of them.
Would it mean anything? Besides the fact that I like to waste energy.
Would it mean anything? Besides the fact that I like to waste energy.
Schmerdro
I have 7500 hours on my account and about 2000 on my Paragon. But, like many people have said before me, I don't think that's an accurate measurement of in-game knowledge or expertise. Maybe a more accurate measurement would be the total amount of experience gained on one character? Unfortunately this would make solo farmers have a disproportionately high amount of xp., but I think this is a step in the right direction if you want to have a proper dick-waving contest. For example, my Paragon has 16,829,361 xp.
LifeInfusion
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gw is all about time>skill.
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The whole idea of the thread was that the concept of skill> time that they presented in 2005 is not really accurate, once reputation and stuff like cartography was added. Also, the idea that the "free" of Guild Wars goes down the drain once you start getting into massive time sink titles. FFF , for example, is not a measure of skill...
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Maybe a more accurate measurement would be the total amount of experience gained on one character? Unfortunately this would make solo farmers have a disproportionately high amount of xp., but I think this is a step in the right direction if you want to have a proper dick-waving contest. For example, my Paragon has 16,829,361 xp.
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Schmerdro
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My necro has duoed in UW for a few hundred hours. Does that make him more skillful than my monk that has less exp but not duo-ed?
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shoyon456
Quality over quantity. Most people who have those amounts have at least half of it spent afk'ing. Im pretty sure I have over 10k hrs, but at least 2/3 of it is either afking or just chatting/standing around.
Plus, if people are playing a character with that time using a subpar build (and builds change frequently depending on the meta anyways) then that time spent learning is less relevant anyways.
Plus, if people are playing a character with that time using a subpar build (and builds change frequently depending on the meta anyways) then that time spent learning is less relevant anyways.
AngelWJedi
i have like 2-3k time on my main derv and over 12-13k on the whole account. and yes most of it is afk on rings or to do rl stuff.
HawkofStorms
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Like I said, farming character would have a lot more xp than non-farming characters; that's because experience points are divided evenly among all party members (even the healers) so one character in an 8-man party would receive only 12.5% of the experience gained. But you can still compare non-farming characters with other non-farming characters to get a reasonable assessment of who has the bigger e-peen, I mean who is more skillful. I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but it makes more sense to me than that 10,000 hour rule.
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Nerel
Oh... don't ask
I'm pro... at falling asleep and face planting into the keyboard.
I'm pro... at falling asleep and face planting into the keyboard.
Marty Silverblade
1970 hours on my War. 3000 hours all up. No meaningful amount of that time afk'ed.