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Inde

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06 Oct 2010 at 03:47 - 1

New blog posting on ArenaNet about the recent War in Kryta Survey:

Quote:

After reading through the feedback, one point that stood out to us was how much time and effort it took to obtain an Oppressor’s weapon—the equivalent of obtaining a Tormented or Destroyer weapon! After discussing it here amongst the team, we decided to commemorate the players’ hard-fought victory over the White Mantle by adding the Oppressor’s weapon set to the Monument to Valor inside the Hall of Monuments. This new set will forever honor those who helped bring peace back to the troubled lands of Kryta.

http://www.arena.net/blog/oppressors...l-of-monuments

GWfan#1

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06 Oct 2010 at 04:37 - 2

I do not like this :\

I'm sure a lot of player do though so GZ to them =]

Daesu

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06 Oct 2010 at 04:52 - 3

Already maxed out valor so whatever....

Yawgmoth

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06 Oct 2010 at 04:54 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

Already maxed out valor so whatever....

And what if it's not maxed anymore after this update? Nobody knows for sure how HoM works.

Zenzai

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06 Oct 2010 at 04:55 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

Already maxed out valor so whatever....

My thoughts exactly.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And what if it's not maxed anymore after this update? Nobody knows for sure how HoM works.

What if? What if?

We were told that we get 'points' for each entry in the HoM and not neccessarily have to fill each section. The achievement entries are account-based.

What we don't know is how the 'points' will transfer between GW1/GW2 accounts, and what rewards will be available.

Iuris

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06 Oct 2010 at 06:36 - 6

Ah. Hmm, I'll demand my guild be TWICE as grateful for all the oppressor items I gave them, then

On the other hand, that's a few more display slots covered. I like the shield already, so I might add some swords axes and so on.

I wonder if the displayed items will be dyeable.

P.S. I'm also worried that now people will expect EVERY new weapon to be HoMmable...

Luminarus

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06 Oct 2010 at 08:23 - 7

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Originally Posted by Iuris

P.S. I'm also worried that now people will expect EVERY new weapon to be HoMmable...

I think the bigger issue is going to be if there are MORE new weapons, it means even more time has passed before gw2. In that case theres bigger issues to deal with rather then whether to hom them or not.

Iuris

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06 Oct 2010 at 08:32 - 8

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I think the bigger issue is going to be if there are MORE new weapons, it means even more time has passed before gw2. In that case theres bigger issues to deal with rather then whether to hom them or not.

Huh? Sorry, you lost me here. GW2 takes place about 200 years after GW1. There's time enough to stuff in 50 times GW1 content as far as time alone is concerned...

Or do you mean real life time, ie. that every GW:B content delays GW2? Here, I'd say that the delays would be minimal as Anet rather takes resources from GW1 for GW2 rather than the opposite...

Xenomortis

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06 Oct 2010 at 09:25 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

I think the bigger issue is going to be if there are MORE new weapons, it means even more time has passed before gw2. In that case theres bigger issues to deal with rather then whether to hom them or not.

Different teams, different departments, different budgets, et cetera.
If your comment isn't referring to GW2 development time then I really can't guess at what you're saying.

Arduin

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06 Oct 2010 at 11:02 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenzai

We were told that we get 'points' for each entry in the HoM and not neccessarily have to fill each section.

What was said was It does not take a full hall to receive rewards. We don't now if putting more than 11 weapons in Valor gives additional rewards.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/...postcount=3742

Yol

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06 Oct 2010 at 11:21 - 11

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Originally Posted by ANet blog

We’ll be talking more in the coming weeks about how your feedback affects the next chapter in Guild Wars Beyond, “Crisis in Cantha”—it’s not really named this…at least not yet.

What's the likelihood of new weapon skins being rewards for this that can also be added to the HoM?

Salad_Dodger

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2009

06 Oct 2010 at 11:45 - 12

For my part I would love to be able to put my collection of Bo Staves in my HoM. As it stands I cannot.

I will be able to live with the reality of it though

Riot Narita

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06 Oct 2010 at 14:02 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

What was said was It does not take a full hall to receive rewards. We don't now if putting more than 11 weapons in Valor gives additional rewards.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/...postcount=3742

Yeah. I am figuring I should wait for the answer to that before I bother getting any more Oppressor's weapons.

I hope the answer is: no extra rewards for more than 11 weapons, and no difference in rewards for Tormented/Destroyer/Oppressor's. Because then I'd have to choose between QQing... or farming for tormented weapons, more destroyer weapons, and more oppressor's weapons. Buying them won't be an option, because prices will skyrocket...

jazilla

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06 Oct 2010 at 14:24 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And what if it's not maxed anymore after this update? Nobody knows for sure how HoM works.

That would entail them having changed the number of weapon stands for the valor monument which they didn't do. as long as you have all of those stands full the monument of valor is filled. so what you are saying is a moot point.

FoxBat

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06 Oct 2010 at 14:26 - 15

A point system is HIGHLY versatile. They can easily award extremists grabbing every weapon as well as casuals who lob in a few. The extremists could even get a diminishing reward if Anet wanted. Therefore I'm going to bet that every single displayable component in the HoM will count, and the more the merrier.

Of course maybe only X things in GW2 are particularly desirable and worth grinding points for, so the completionists don't really end up with anything they wanted... that's another matter.

Karate Jesus

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06 Oct 2010 at 14:49 - 16

This was a nice update (and blog post) for PvE'ers.

However, the derv update is still shelved and the map rotation was God-awful. Can't PvP'ers get just a little love?

On a side note, I do think this is nice. I just wish they would have made them addable from the beginning. Oh, and I really want a skill update. It's been.......a while.

Mister_Smiley

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06 Oct 2010 at 15:18 - 17

I do find it funny that they added these to the HOM now, when it seams PT2 is delayed and they need something to keep the people busy till they finsh PT2....Also what i don't get is why they added them at all, i mean people wanted the BMP weapons added and they bitch a lot more it seams then these weapons, but they where never added. I do find it funny that Anet added this now, when they should have just added them in the first place, sometimes i think Anet doesn't really think about stuff.

Painbringer

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06 Oct 2010 at 15:22 - 18

Well two more items to add whoo hoo

Becuase that is about as many as i will try to get

BenjZee

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06 Oct 2010 at 15:27 - 19

Inevitably they will have to add the extra weapons for each beyond chapter to the HoM. Though it would make a lot of sense for the descendants having a bit of history from each place, there is already nightfall weapons available in the HoM so now with the canthan crisis, it should work out nicely and equal.

Daesu

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06 Oct 2010 at 15:28 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

That would entail them having changed the number of weapon stands for the valor monument which they didn't do. as long as you have all of those stands full the monument of valor is filled. so what you are saying is a moot point.

That's right and try not to over analyze this guys. They are probably not going to make the transfer code between GW1 and GW2 to be complicated because the more complicated it is, the more likely it is to have bugs and the more expensive it is to test and maintain. Furthermore, the transfer code is not where they want to spend a lot of their efforts. Most of their efforts would be in developing the game itself rather than dealing with complex transfer rules.

Think simple and straight forward....

I bet it would strictly be account-based only and all weapon types are equal where transferring is concerned.

Darcy

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06 Oct 2010 at 15:29 - 21

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Originally Posted by Mister_Smiley

Also what i don't get is why they added them at all, i mean people wanted the BMP weapons added and they bitch a lot more it seams then these weapons, but they where never added.

Because anyone who completes WiK can obtain the Oppressor weapons, but to get the BMP ones you would need to purchase the content with real life money. BIG, BIG difference to people who don't have that cash to spare.

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

06 Oct 2010 at 15:45 - 22

Why cant they add deldrimor weapons?

Grind requirements and costs aside, I hate the tormented / destoyer / oppressor skins and wouldnt want to waste so much time getting weapons that I find ugly.

Nerel

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Australia, what you want my home address?

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06 Oct 2010 at 16:57 - 23

Why do I feel that, like most things Anet undertakes, they have no idea how the reward system for GW2/HoM was going to pan out, and they're just making it up as they go? Is this just more of the same lack of foresight that led to almost all of GW1's problems?

More stuff in HoM? Not want!

bhavv

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06 Oct 2010 at 17:32 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

More stuff in HoM? Not want!

IMO the option to put more weapons in HoM is better than only being able to use a couple of ugly skins, but it is still the only monument that I cant be bothered with filling.

I'll have all my others filled once I complete EOTN on my last PVE toon to get enough points for monument armor, but Im not grinding any of the HoM weapons because they all look ugly to me.

Eragon Zarroc

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07 Oct 2010 at 07:01 - 25

annoying >_< had valor filled up, now have to go work on 11 more weps *sigh*

Konig Des Todes

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07 Oct 2010 at 07:37 - 26

You don't have to. :P

Sytherek

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07 Oct 2010 at 10:42 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

annoying >_< had valor filled up, now have to go work on 11 more weps *sigh*

Why? If your monument is full, why add more?

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

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07 Oct 2010 at 13:31 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

Why? If your monument is full, why add more?

I am very confident that the amount of points you gain depends on how many things of what rarities are in your Hall of Monuments.

If a player could get maximum points for simply filling the number of display spots in the HoM, that would be too easy.

It's easy to see that registering Obsidian armor should be worth more points than any other, so why shouldn't a player be able to register and receive points for all the armors they can find, instead of just a "top 5".

Arduin

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07 Oct 2010 at 13:32 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

Why? If your monument is full, why add more?

Because 11 weapons in Valor might give you 11 points, but 33 might give you 33 points? As long as Anet won't release the HoM - > GW2 article, we just don't know when we can stop being OCD about the HoM.

Iuris

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07 Oct 2010 at 16:55 - 30

Quote:

I am very confident that the amount of points you gain depends on how many things of what rarities are in your Hall of Monuments.

Strange - I am very confident there will be a maximum limit of how much one can get from the HoM entries, capping at one full HoM.

Why? Because rewards need to be created, and the more achievements are needed, the fewer people will get that reward - ie same work fewer happy people (and more people unhappy with those who have more than themselves)

We'll see when details are published.

BrettM

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07 Oct 2010 at 17:36 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

It's easy to see that registering Obsidian armor should be worth more points than any other

Call me blind, then, because I don't see it. I don't expect any more points for my FoW set than for any other set. In fact, I think I put relatively more effort and expense into my first elite set on the account than into the FoW set, because I was much poorer and less skilled at the time. Getting the cash and mats for that first set took a lot more work under those circumstances than yawning my way through FoW shard farming and spending the cash from the other loot on ectos.

Skye Marin

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07 Oct 2010 at 19:20 - 32

How about this:

It's easy to see a Green Miniature being worth more points than a White Miniature.

If you have a full HoM, that's fine, but I really doubt that having only 5 statues in your Monument of Honor (equal to beating the 3 campaigns on Normal Mode and any two special dungeons) will give you the exact same GW2 rewards as earning GWAMM, with a boatload of qualifying PvP titles (r8 Hero, r3 gladiator, r3 Champion, etc).

I can't be alone here.

To put it another way:

Why would I want to complete all 53 monuments if I only need to do the easiest 5 for the exact same rewards?

BenjZee

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07 Oct 2010 at 19:36 - 33

I was aware of having these weapons for use as weapons and not to make a pretty statue out of. I was also unaware of anyone forcing me to gain them all. Though i use them anyway to kill monsters.

Xenomortis

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07 Oct 2010 at 19:41 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

Why would I want to complete all 53 monuments if I only need to do the easiest 5 for the exact same rewards?

I think it's sad when a materialistic* reward is all that drives people to complete challenges and actually play a game.
If you don't find a game fun or engaging in some way, then why bother at all?
Perhaps I'm just greatly disconnected from the rest of the playerbase, but I seem to recall grind was something GW was not supposed to really be about.

*as material as any in-game virtual reward can be.

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

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08 Oct 2010 at 00:54 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I think it's sad when a materialistic* reward is all that drives people to complete challenges and actually play a game.
If you don't find a game fun or engaging in some way, then why bother at all?
Perhaps I'm just greatly disconnected from the rest of the playerbase, but I seem to recall grind was something GW was not supposed to really be about.

*as material as any in-game virtual reward can be.

If you want to call me names and make assumptions about my character that's fine. I've set my own personal goals in the game, based on what I feel is most achievable and what would be the most fun.

I cannot understand how some people can reason that all of the GW2 HoM rewards will be given to those who do very little compared to those who have done everything.

I do feel that people who do more should get more. I'm not alone.

Many people here are questioning why do more when they believe they've already maxed things out. I'm simply sharing the belief that simply maxing out a display's capacity does not correlate to maxing out all reward benefits.

Xenomortis

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UK

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08 Oct 2010 at 01:04 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

If you want to call me names and make assumptions about my character that's fine. I've set my own personal goals in the game, based on what I feel is most achievable and what would be the most fun.

My post wasn't meant as a personal attack, it wasn't intended to offend or insult. I'm slightly sorry you seemed to take it that way, but I was struggling to think of a way to express my opinion.

In effect, what I'm saying is this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

Why would I want to complete all 53 monuments if I only need to do the easiest 5 for the exact same rewards?

For the sake of doing it.

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

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08 Oct 2010 at 02:47 - 37

Let me ask the flip question:

For those who feel content with a full capacity HoM, why are you stopping there?

Wouldn't it make more sense to criticize those who don't feel the need to complete any more of their HoM if they believe they've already reached the maximum reward possible? Why stop if they're claiming to doing it for fun or the sake of doing it?

armandorsx

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08 Oct 2010 at 03:35 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

If you want to call me names and make assumptions about my character that's fine. I've set my own personal goals in the game, based on what I feel is most achievable and what would be the most fun.

I cannot understand how some people can reason that all of the GW2 HoM rewards will be given to those who do very little compared to those who have done everything.

I do feel that people who do more should get more. I'm not alone.

Many people here are questioning why do more when they believe they've already maxed things out. I'm simply sharing the belief that simply maxing out a display's capacity does not correlate to maxing out all reward benefits.

You are not alone! if someone with 20 white mini pets worth around 20k for all, get the same rewards than my 80 mini pets, i will QQ hard! if anet reward ppl for getting GWAMM (30 titles) when only 5 are displayable, then they should reward ppl with 10 armor, all heros, 2 or 3 weapons sets and 60 minis (example).

dav21

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

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08 Oct 2010 at 04:47 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yol

What's the likelihood of new weapon skins being rewards for this that can also be added to the HoM?

Well if Im thinking correctly it might be like this:

HoM weapon set Prophecies: Opperssor's Items
HoM weapon set Factions: TBA ("Crysis in Cantha")
HoM weapon set Nightfall: Tormented Items
HoM weapon set EotN: Destroyer Items

If this assumption is correct we might see another set of items added to HoM.

BrettM

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08 Oct 2010 at 12:39 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

How about this:

It's easy to see a Green Miniature being worth more points than a White Miniature.

Call me blind, then, because I don't see it. I popped a birthday present and a green mini jumped out. In what sense did I "do more" to earn a higher reward than someone else who got a white mini the same way? Both characters existed exactly the same amount of time -- one year. The guy who got the white mini may very well have accomplished a lot more during that year than I did.

Or maybe I got my green mini from Nick in return for a handful of charr hides that took 10 minutes to farm. Is that really an accomplishment deserving of extra reward? I deserve points for having my level 20 character wand a bunch of level 5 charr to death? Wooo! Leet player on the loose!