Currently, Gamer, a title which requires you to pvp in some form to acquire is not a pvp title, according to the new HoM calculator. While I realize the calculator is in beta, this really does need to be fixed at some point.
First off, ALL of the methods of acquiring gamer points require pvp:
Costume Brawl- Arena style PvP- points per win.
Dwayna Vs Grenth- Team based snowball fights- points per win.
Dwayna Vs Grenth ATs- 8v8 snowball fights- points per win.
Rollerbeetle Racing- Racing against other players- points per people beaten.
Dragon Arena- Dodgeball pvp- points per win.
Dragon Nest- Points gotten by beating other players- points awarded based on how many you beat.
Secondly, if Zaishen, where one can buy the title without setting foot in pvp counts, how can Gamer not be a title? the argument that it isn't serious pvp doesn't hold up at all.
Suggestion: Make gamer a PvP title. if you feel r3 is too easy to merit a title point/statue, raise the required rank to something like 5 or 6.
Make skillz a pvp title as per HoM
mender of bad soles
MithranArkanere
Unless they add a year-round game arena, they should not.
Not everyone can be around during festivals, since they also happen during real world festivities.
So it would not be very fair.
Not everyone can be around during festivals, since they also happen during real world festivities.
So it would not be very fair.
jazilla
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Unless they add a year-round game arena, they should not.
Not everyone can be around during festivals, since they also happen during real world festivities. So it would not be very fair. |
HawkofStorms
Eh, that argument would make sense Mithran, if Wintersday didn't last for 3 weeks.
mender of bad soles
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Unless they add a year-round game arena, they should not.
Not everyone can be around during festivals, since they also happen during real world festivities. So it would not be very fair. |
SpyderArachnid
I agree with this.
PvP is player versus player. It doesn't have to be about combat. This title is earned through defeating other players in events. Thus, should be considered PvP.
PvP is player versus player. It doesn't have to be about combat. This title is earned through defeating other players in events. Thus, should be considered PvP.
Morphy
All these formays except Rollerbeetle Racing are PvP. For that reason, /signed
Warvic
I rather have them remove Zaishen as a pvp title instead of making the gamer title track count as a pvp title.
but right now it makes sense that the gamer title could be called a pvp title
but right now it makes sense that the gamer title could be called a pvp title
Chrisworld
I have mixed feelings about this. I originally thought the term "Gamer" in the title IN Guild Wars meant that it was the title for playing Holiday Games, not the game itself (Ordinary PvP)
I'm not sure to sign or not sign.
I'm not sure to sign or not sign.
Hobbs
Yep /signed.
I feel both Gamer and Allegiance titles should count for the PvP title. Moreso, Gamer though.
I feel both Gamer and Allegiance titles should count for the PvP title. Moreso, Gamer though.
jackinthe
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Originally Posted by Warvic
I rather have them remove Zaishen as a pvp title instead of making the gamer title track count as a pvp title.
but right now it makes sense that the gamer title could be called a pvp title |
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by mender of bad soles
commander also counts, so there goes the "fairness" argument. Also, you can make all sorts of arguments about what's "fair" or not; bottom line is either you did it and should be rewarded, or you didn't and you shouldn't.
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That one should not count.
That one being added doesn't make it fair.
99.9 repeating decimal % of the players with that title made it by /roll and/or RR.
It's awful when the innocent pay for the sins of the sinner, but in this case, there are way to many sinners.
That title should have been wiped.
Elnino
Gamer as a PvP title makes perfect sense. /signed
Only reason they made Zaishen a PvP title was because the allegiance ranks were too easy to get and they didn't want to force the PvE'ers to do PvP.
Only reason they made Zaishen a PvP title was because the allegiance ranks were too easy to get and they didn't want to force the PvE'ers to do PvP.
The Drunkard
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
It's awful when the innocent pay for the sins of the sinner, but in this case, there are way to many sinners.
That title should have been wiped. |
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Originally Posted by Morphy
All these formays except Rollerbeetle Racing are PvP. For that reason, /signed
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/signed
Missing HB
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
99.9 repeating decimal % of the players with that title made it by /roll and/or RR.
It's awful when the innocent pay for the sins of the sinner, but in this case, there are way to many sinners. That title should have been wiped. |
To answer the topic : /signed since it's clearly player versus player .....
lemming
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
So what if that counts?
That one should not count. That one being added doesn't make it fair. 99.9 repeating decimal % of the players with that title made it by /roll and/or RR. It's awful when the innocent pay for the sins of the sinner, but in this case, there are way to many sinners. That title should have been wiped. |
Lanier
The fact is, PvP = players competing vs other players
Almost all of the festival games involve players competing vs other players
Therefore... the festival games are pvp formats
Because festival games are pvp formats, titles earned from them are pvp titles
Therefore... Gamer is a pvp title
It doesn't really get any more basic than that. There is no reason why Gamer shouldn't be considered a pvp title.
Almost all of the festival games involve players competing vs other players
Therefore... the festival games are pvp formats
Because festival games are pvp formats, titles earned from them are pvp titles
Therefore... Gamer is a pvp title
It doesn't really get any more basic than that. There is no reason why Gamer shouldn't be considered a pvp title.
Skye Marin
I'm down with this change. Just makes sense.
Shayne Hawke
I've been an advocate of this ever since its inception. You earn Gamer through PvP, so it should be considered as such.
Shadar
/signed
still waiting for a Q&A blog post regarding the HoM calculator where they explain how Gamer ISN'T and Zaishen rank IS a PvP title.
still waiting for a Q&A blog post regarding the HoM calculator where they explain how Gamer ISN'T and Zaishen rank IS a PvP title.
Hells Fury
/no
Cause it doesn't matter rly... pve or pvp, what do you get out of it? You still need to get it the same way.
Excuse me while i go tag my drake hatchlings.
Cause it doesn't matter rly... pve or pvp, what do you get out of it? You still need to get it the same way.
Excuse me while i go tag my drake hatchlings.
own age myname
110% signed.
I'm pretty sure my r3 gamer was played vs other players, aka PvP...
I don't understand ANet's thought process sometimes.
I'm pretty sure my r3 gamer was played vs other players, aka PvP...
I don't understand ANet's thought process sometimes.
mage767
Gamer must be a PvP title. Anet should fix blatant mistakes like this first before the final release of HoM.
deluxe
Switch Gamer title for Zaishen title. Fixed
fowlero
Don't really understand why it isn't one. Seeing as it only involves PvP.
Also don't understand why people don't want it to be one.
Also don't understand why people don't want it to be one.
Spookii
/signed Makes sense to me.
Gamer title is just as hard to get as the lucky/unlucky titles are if you're worried about there not being a year round way of attaining points. There's alternate ways to gain lucky/unlucky, sure, but isn't the most popular (easiest) way to do the rings?
I really hope ANet is listening to our suggestions for HoM tweaks. There's a lot of title categorization that just don't make sense.
Agreed. I can't help but think that people are coming up with excuses because frankly, the festival PvP games are easy and they don't like that. They feel like their hardcore PvP is more PvP worthy than measly festival games. Which makes no sense to me. Just what I get out of it, though.
Gamer title is just as hard to get as the lucky/unlucky titles are if you're worried about there not being a year round way of attaining points. There's alternate ways to gain lucky/unlucky, sure, but isn't the most popular (easiest) way to do the rings?
I really hope ANet is listening to our suggestions for HoM tweaks. There's a lot of title categorization that just don't make sense.
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Also don't understand why people don't want it to be one.
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JONO51
add gamer. makes completre sense to me.
lol?
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
So what if that counts?
That one should not count. That one being added doesn't make it fair. 99.9 repeating decimal % of the players with that title made it by /roll and/or RR. It's awful when the innocent pay for the sins of the sinner, but in this case, there are way to many sinners. That title should have been wiped. |
RedStar
/signed
It can only be obtain via PvP.
You want a title, you play to get it. Except Christmas where a lot of people are with their families instead of in front of their computers, all other events don't occur when many people are going to be away. Plus they are available before and after the event.
But adding those arenas full time will be somewhat nice (but I fear that given so many choices there will be less teams. At least with the current system, a lot of people are eager to go play a festival arena).
It can only be obtain via PvP.
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But adding those arenas full time will be somewhat nice (but I fear that given so many choices there will be less teams. At least with the current system, a lot of people are eager to go play a festival arena).
Pritst Of Death
/signed most people atm are earning points for this in costume brawl and thats just like ra but it's more based off skill than people having random builds. everyone has the same builds so it's how you play your builds and tactis not what builds you have
ruk1a
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Originally Posted by fowlero
Don't really understand why it isn't one. Seeing as it only involves PvP.
Also don't understand why people don't want it to be one. |
/signed
tazer
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Originally Posted by deluxe
Switch Gamer title for Zaishen title. Fixed
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Gamer title is a pure PvP, additionally you also get FB in certain modes, so it's obvious it should count.
/signed
Pritst Of Death
idk how pure it is casue of roller bettle racing so it's like 90% pvp but even rollerbettle is a form of pvp
Krystaf
/signed
Makes no sense that a title which you can get only by pvp is not a pvp title. And Rollerbeetle racing is pvp according to the terms meaning Player versus Player, it's certainly not Player vs Environment. It's all the same what people think is "real" pvp.
Makes no sense that a title which you can get only by pvp is not a pvp title. And Rollerbeetle racing is pvp according to the terms meaning Player versus Player, it's certainly not Player vs Environment. It's all the same what people think is "real" pvp.
Nekodesu
The festival title thingy, should be PvP IMO. And so should Zaishen, because gaining Zaishen requires either PvP or loads of money. The way they ment it to be made was to PvP. This is obvious, you gain the points to GAIN THE KEYS thought PVP ONLY. If people could not sell the Zaishen Key, would it then be considered PvP title to you people ? ;p
But why don't they make Luxon/Kurzick title PvP aswell, it can be done with farming luxon/kurzick continents or PvP(Alliance Battle, thought alliance battle IMO is not real PvP because it does not require you to kill any oposit player to win.) I don't get this? D:
But why don't they make Luxon/Kurzick title PvP aswell, it can be done with farming luxon/kurzick continents or PvP(Alliance Battle, thought alliance battle IMO is not real PvP because it does not require you to kill any oposit player to win.) I don't get this? D:
Morphy
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If people could not sell the Zaishen Key, would it then be considered PvP title to you people ?
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IlikeGW
It should definitely be counted, but I have a feeling most people have the PVP cred some other way and Anet won't notice those that are getting royally screwed on this one. :/
Crimson Court
Gamer should be counted, even only rank 1.
As someone who recently started a few months ago, just realized how tedious doing RA over and over would be for Glad title.
Costume Brawl is more fun because it doesn't require any skill capture and preparation.
Just make it easy to get that PvP title. I think r1 gamer would be more than enough here. I've been running Brawl since it started last week and only at 700 points (tons of losses 'cause of random teams, which is expected).
I can't imagine a casual or average gamer getting to even r1 before the end of halloween, and also can't expect him to plan his days on Wintersday, New Year or other events to reach an ungodly amount of points for something higher than rank 1.
As someone who recently started a few months ago, just realized how tedious doing RA over and over would be for Glad title.
Costume Brawl is more fun because it doesn't require any skill capture and preparation.
Just make it easy to get that PvP title. I think r1 gamer would be more than enough here. I've been running Brawl since it started last week and only at 700 points (tons of losses 'cause of random teams, which is expected).
I can't imagine a casual or average gamer getting to even r1 before the end of halloween, and also can't expect him to plan his days on Wintersday, New Year or other events to reach an ungodly amount of points for something higher than rank 1.
helloeveryone
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Originally Posted by Crimson Court
Gamer should be counted, even only rank 1.
As someone who recently started a few months ago, just realized how tedious doing RA over and over would be for Glad title. Costume Brawl is more fun because it doesn't require any skill capture and preparation. Just make it easy to get that PvP title. I think r1 gamer would be more than enough here. I've been running Brawl since it started last week and only at 700 points (tons of losses 'cause of random teams, which is expected). I can't imagine a casual or average gamer getting to even r1 before the end of halloween, and also can't expect him to plan his days on Wintersday, New Year or other events to reach an ungodly amount of points for something higher than rank 1. |
betonboor
/signed
It's pretty obvious that gamer should be a pvp title since it can only be acquired through means of pvp.
I don't really care if zaishen becomes pvp or pve, since it can be obtained both ways.
It's pretty obvious that gamer should be a pvp title since it can only be acquired through means of pvp.
I don't really care if zaishen becomes pvp or pve, since it can be obtained both ways.
Krystaf
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Originally Posted by Crimson Court
Gamer should be counted, even only rank 1.
As someone who recently started a few months ago, just realized how tedious doing RA over and over would be for Glad title. Costume Brawl is more fun because it doesn't require any skill capture and preparation. Just make it easy to get that PvP title. I think r1 gamer would be more than enough here. I've been running Brawl since it started last week and only at 700 points (tons of losses 'cause of random teams, which is expected). I can't imagine a casual or average gamer getting to even r1 before the end of halloween, and also can't expect him to plan his days on Wintersday, New Year or other events to reach an ungodly amount of points for something higher than rank 1. |
This week I did 2000 gamer points in CB, so it's easy enough to get r3 as it is.