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X CDH X

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11 Oct 2010 at 11:31 - 1

Was just wondering why after 30 points on the HoM Calculator thing there is nothing to unlock.

Surely is better to add some more things so people have encouragement to keep going with GW and tick off the things to get/close to 50/50 in their HoM.

Some of the squares are orange in the HoM so - up to 37 so hopefully they haven't finished on this

bsoltan

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11 Oct 2010 at 11:36 - 2

That is correct, there are no more item rewards after 30, only titles.

No, it isn't better. They want the rewards to be within reach of the casual gamer and that's what they've done.

There is more incentive for ANet to get people from 0 to 30 than it is to get people from 30 to 50.

I would be very surprised if they add more now.

edit: corrected my info, ty Kattar.

Pleikki

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11 Oct 2010 at 11:36 - 3

Meh the reason they didnt give other then titles after 30 is that casual player also can get all the important rewards without grinding..

Kattar

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11 Oct 2010 at 12:13 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsoltan

That is correct, there are no more rewards after 30.

There are no item rewards past 30. There are title rewards.

domaspiragas

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11 Oct 2010 at 12:14 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by X CDH X

Was just wondering why after 30 points on the HoM Calculator thing there is nothing to unlock.

There is, you can get titles. Hope you weren't expecting something on the lines of free ectos for 50/50.

Adul

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11 Oct 2010 at 13:11 - 6

As I've stated before in other topics, I personally wouldn't mind more item/miniature/pet rewards in the 31 to 50 range, although I don't think too many would be a good idea, considering there's already a lot of rewards most players will not use all that much. I believe one additional reward every 5 levels or something along those lines would be adequate.

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11 Oct 2010 at 15:13 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

Meh the reason they didnt give other then titles after 30 is that casual player also can get all the important rewards without grinding..

vouch thank god this isn't WoW

X CDH X

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nEo

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11 Oct 2010 at 15:32 - 8

Ah wrote it properly in the topic heading but wrong in the post.

Was wondering why there are no 'ITEMS' after level 30.

TBH I don't really care about the casual player needs, but I feel kinda bad for ppl that went to excesses with titles - ie LDoA. I'm kinda glad I didn't do that one...

As a previous poster said it would nice to have some items, though nothing gamebreaking past 30 in the HoM. As the only incentives to further play GW1 past that point are titles though when GW2 comes out there are no doubt going to be cooler titles so this one for 50/50 in the HoM wont really seem that great as no one really cares about what you do in a previous game.

jazilla

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11 Oct 2010 at 15:47 - 9

If you got GWAMM, you can wear that on your whole account in GW2 though.

beaztor

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11 Oct 2010 at 15:54 - 10

i personally love the rewards system and i think the rewards are fabulous up to 30 and as far as titles go, i couldn't care less. There are way more items rewards than i expected and look forward to starting new characters in gw2 with them. Nice job Anet! Overall its a nice setup for all and for those who for some wacky reason are not satisfied, tough cookies. What did u expect for rewards a gold plated DVD of gw2? Curious to see how greedy some individuals can be over a game that is to entertain and be enjoyed. Just by normal game play i have acquired 40 points and could easily attain several more but titles aren't my thing yet i am more than satisfied with items rewards up to 30/50. i look forward to the coming posts about how sad and unsatisfied some people are about the rewards. It is awesome as far as i and many other feel.

Enjoy...

Tullzinski

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:10 - 11

Really glad with the current setup.

My son started playing GW about 1 year ago and he had very little in his hall. When the rewards initially came out he felt overwhelmed and that he would not reach all the awards. Once I explained it to him and showed him how it breaks down he got to work and is currently at 21/50 (from 8) and is busy getting the rest. He already has it all planned out to obtain the 30 mark.

I think anything additional would have discouraged him to not even bother. Just the feeling I get, plus he is a typical teenager, short attention span

Anyway maybe ANET will add something later for those truly die hard players.

afya

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:11 - 12

I would love to have more awards for 30+. But I have to agree that 30/50 is better for casual gamers. Although i have friends that don't even bother reaching 30.

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:12 - 13

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Originally Posted by X CDH X

TBH I don't really care about the casual player needs

There's the problem. You and lots of other people with 30-50 points right now don't care about the needs of anybody except yourselves and everyone else in your club. That being said, I feel like one of the few people with 50/50 that understands why Anet made the decisions they did regarding the HoM and points.

I was actually amazed at all the positive feedback that we were seeing when all this was announced and now every other post on here is by some greedy prick that either feels the rewards should have been better or that they deserve even more for being more awesome than everyone else. (No, I'm not new to Guru. I knew it was only a matter of time!

)

You guys do realize that you're starting a new game with a full set of armor, weapons, pets, minis and titles... right? I feel that Anet was more than generous with the rewards and we should be thankful.

Rawr!

Ninja Ninja

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:34 - 14

The title system is so worthless, wth makes one title worth more than another?

Carboplatin

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:41 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

If you got GWAMM, you can wear that on your whole account in GW2 though.

I don't think thats true.

Yol

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:47 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carboplatin

I don't think thats true.

Numerous forum posts and interviews with members of the dev team say otherwise.

You can display GWAMM as a title in GW2 if you have it in GW1.

Bandwagon

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:48 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

The title system is so worthless, wth makes one title worth more than another?

Its cosmetic, so the value is subjective.
EXAMPLE: I might have the Ghostly Hero title (35/50) when GW2 releases, I like it, in my PERSONAL view it is cool. Some people may not think this way and only reach 30/50 and be content with Closer to the Stars. Nothing wrong with either stance.

The titles are there to reward the determined with an extra "little something" for full or near completion of the HoM. No one is hurt or undermined with the inclusion of titles anyway, so why are you so threatened with their existence?

By the way, for those who are asking for more rewards at 30+, I think A-net wanted to include all the intended rewards in the bottom tier so no one felt left out for not having a grandfathered weapon / armor skin because they were unable to obtain Obsidian Armor (or other equally expensive / time consuming sets of HoM points to gather). Think of the title rewards for 30+/50 to be bonuses for being so dedicated

.

BlackSephir

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11 Oct 2010 at 16:49 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

The title system is so worthless, wth makes one title worth more than another?

Dunno, ask people who spent hours on titles that don't affect anything and people who created them.

Ninja Ninja

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11 Oct 2010 at 17:01 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandwagon

Its cosmetic, so the value is subjective.
EXAMPLE: I might have the Ghostly Hero title (35/50) when GW2 releases, I like it, in my PERSONAL view it is cool. Some people may not think this way and only reach 30/50 and be content with Closer to the Stars. Nothing wrong with either stance.

The titles are there to reward the determined with an extra "little something" for full or near completion of the HoM. No one is hurt or undermined with the inclusion of titles anyway, so why are you so threatened with their existence?

By the way, for those who are asking for more rewards at 30+, I think A-net wanted to include all the intended rewards in the bottom tier so no one felt left out for not having a grandfathered weapon / armor skin because they were unable to obtain Obsidian Armor (or other equally expensive / time consuming sets of HoM points to gather). Think of the title rewards for 30+/50 to be bonuses for being so dedicated

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Dunno, ask people who spent hours on titles that don't affect anything and people who created them.

Its absolutely retarded that the value of a title is based on how it sounds, seriously what incentive is there to getting titles when you have a better sounding one.

nem coke

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11 Oct 2010 at 17:11 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Its absolutely retarded that the value of a title is based on how it sounds, seriously what incentive is there to getting titles when you have a better sounding one.

It's the same question that people have forever been asking in GW about Crystalline Sword since it looks crap compared to most of the skins in the game. The answer is prestige.

Adul

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11 Oct 2010 at 17:26 - 21

Well I think titles have three main attraction factors:
1.) The eye candy factor. E.g. you like how the title looks under your name, or how it fits your character.
2.) The prestige factor. E.g. you think that others will admire/envy you when seeing your title.
3.) The personal achievement factor, where titles are mementos for the fun or not so fun times you had while working on them, and/or for the amount of effort it took you to earn them.

Now all of these are entirely subjective, and those who care for titles like them for one or more of the above factors, usually by varying degrees. Those who do not care for titles are obviously not personally affected by any of the factors.

So, now that we clarified that we won't hear any more questions about this matter. Or am I being naive?

Odinius

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11 Oct 2010 at 18:03 - 22

Why not have a design a weapon/item/outfit contest for the last 20 spots?
Would be a fun imo.

Masmar

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11 Oct 2010 at 18:33 - 23

The 30-50 spots will probably be revealed as the new professions are, since revealing them now would give us clues

fireflyry

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11 Oct 2010 at 18:35 - 24

Does anyone truly think anything earned here and now in GW will have any relevance after more than the first few months of GW2 going live?

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Originally Posted by Adul

Now all of these are entirely subjective, and those who care for titles like them for one or more of the above factors, usually by varying degrees. Those who do not care for titles are obviously not personally affected by any of the factors.

So, now that we clarified that we won't hear any more questions about this matter. Or am I being naive?

I don't think so but I've played a fair few MMO's and the import on titles in GW is really, imo, a rebellion for those playing the game that are really wanting lvl 80 caps and insta-win loot.

It's still a demand for a hierarchy in a game that struggles to embrace a new player and place them on a tier with "veterans".

GW titles are loot.

Plain and simple.

Lortext

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11 Oct 2010 at 18:40 - 25

The 30-50 spots will probably always remain just titles to discourage players from feeling like they need to grind to get everything.

My guess is that they will probably insert new items for newly revealed professions in the <30 slots.

Adul

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11 Oct 2010 at 19:15 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireflyry

I don't think so but I've played a fair few MMO's and the import on titles in GW is really, imo, a rebellion for those playing the game that are really wanting lvl 80 caps and insta-win loot.

It's still a demand for a hierarchy in a game that struggles to embrace a new player and place them on a tier with "veterans".

GW titles are loot.

Plain and simple.

You are right, titles are also a way to distinguish between new and long-time players (well to a degree, not all veterans hunt titles). However, the same applies to prestige armor and weapons, different game completion stages, miniatures, and a lot of other aspects of the game that reward extended effort.

Some of these were available at game release (by then FoW armor was the most prestigious thing in the game), others appeared later as more and more prestige items and titles were acquired by a large number of players. More prestigious stuff was introduced every now and then to take the place of the last holder of that role and to keep us busy.

With GWAMM they stopped. I say fortunately, but some want to accomplish and get recognition for even more. Again, it's all about personal preference.

fireflyry

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11 Oct 2010 at 19:37 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adul

You are right, titles are also a way to distinguish between new and long-time players (well to a degree, not all veterans hunt titles). However, the same applies to prestige armor and weapons, different game completion stages, miniatures, and a lot of other aspects of the game that reward extended effort.

Some of these were available at game release (by then FoW armor was the most prestigious thing in the game), others appeared later as more and more prestige items and titles were acquired by a large number of players. More prestigious stuff was introduced every now and then to take the place of the last holder of that role and to keep us busy.

With GWAMM they stopped. I say fortunately, but some want to accomplish and get recognition for even more. Again, it's all about personal preference.

Cheers for your comments.

Personally I think it's more about playing the wrong game.

There are so many MMORPG's that specifically cater to and encourage prestige mentality.What got me into GW was the fact that not only was the community initially awesome but the game was catered and marketed to players who wanted casual play without an in game hierarchy based on loot, gear, etc.

Basically no 1337 or loot based crap/attitude.

It's been the mantra from day one:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anet

Guild Wars® is an online roleplaying game that rewards player skill and innovative gameplay over hours spent online.

The influx of players from other games in 07-09 changed everything imo and really killed what GW could have been.

9/10 threads here now are based on debating gear/titles/loot/HoM, etc, etc.

EricKwon

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11 Oct 2010 at 19:40 - 28

I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't item rewards after 30 since I'm sitting at 40 points. But I'm also glad that I won't have to grind to 50. Or that others won't have to grind after 30 since I know others aren't even at 30 and will barely make it.

So it's a nice system overall, almost everyone gets something with a little effort.

Voodoo Rage

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11 Oct 2010 at 19:53 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricKwon

I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't item rewards after 30 since I'm sitting at 40 points. But I'm also glad that I won't have to grind to 50. Or that others won't have to grind after 30 since I know others aren't even at 30 and will barely make it.

So it's a nice system overall, almost everyone gets something with a little effort.

Me too. I was actually pretty impressed with myself that I got that far with fairly minimal investment and effort considering I've never really been a title grinder at all.

domaspiragas

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11 Oct 2010 at 21:22 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masmar

The 30-50 spots will probably be revealed as the new professions are, since revealing them now would give us clues

lolno.......

agrios

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:04 - 31

Why people should get anything for grinding over 30 points? From the start, titles where introduced for whole gind sake only, they were optional not to give any edge to the grinders over other players. You GWAMMs knew that from the very beginning.

Now you come to the forums QQ'ing about "me grind harder me want me more ubber shineys, me superior dun other ppl"? Aw C'mon.

Adul

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:11 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrios

Why people should get anything for grinding over 30 points? From the start, titles where introduced for whole gind sake only, they were optional not to give any edge to the grinders over other players. You GWAMMs knew that from the very beginning.

Now you come to the forums QQ'ing about "me grind harder me want me more ubber shineys, me superior dun other ppl"? Aw C'mon.

I think it has to do more with a sense of recognition rather than an "edge". You can satisfy a lot players by giving them basically anything, as long as it is exclusive to those who have finished a particular task. It generates a feeling of accomplishment in them.

snaek

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:15 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by firefly

The influx of players from other games in 07-09 changed everything imo and really killed what GW could have been.

9/10 threads here now are based on debating gear/titles/loot/HoM, etc, etc.

was there an influx of farmers/grinds that started playing gw and influenced anet to turn gw into a grindfest update after update? or did anet purposefully turn gw into a grindfest by their own decision attracting farmers/grinders into the game and community?

dancing gnome

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:28 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masmar

The 30-50 spots will probably be revealed as the new professions are, since revealing them now would give us clues

ArenaNet members have actually said they intend the first 30 slots to be the only ones with item rewards and the last 20 are exclusively titles. The reason for this was to make sure players could obtain the maximum item rewards from the HoM without feeling like they had to complete every possible thing in the game regardless of whether they enjoyed it or not.

There are many ways to obtain 30 points without having to go too deep into things you absolutely loathe doing. Getting to 50 points requires doing many things most players hate doing. The bar for 30 points is already pretty high for a lot of people, making it 50 for the best rewards would create a lot of unhappy people.

To be honest I think the 34 (I think) rewards we can get are already more than I was expecting. There is one item skin for every piece of equipment in the game (a full armour set, 1 short bow, 1 long bow, 1 pistol, 1 rife, 1 one-handed sword, 1 great sword, 1 axe, 1 staff, 1 wand, 1 focus, 1 mace, 1 hammer, 1 horn). I think the HoM does an excellent job of fully rewarding players and giving plenty of variety - with a bunch of bonus perks (ranger pets and gauntlets). The current HoM increases customer satisfaction for most people a lot more than a much harsher grind based cap.

agrios

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:39 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

was there an influx of farmers/grinds that started playing gw and influenced anet to turn gw into a grindfest update after update? or did anet purposefully turn gw into a grindfest by their own decision attracting farmers/grinders into the game and community?

From my point of view, that what's happened.

1- Anet made GW
2- People started to spread the word
3- A lot of people from "common" MMOs, where grind is the rule, came
4- ANet introduced grind to please this new playerbase.

Adul

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:51 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

a full armour set, 1 short bow, 1 long bow, 1 pistol, 1 rife, 1 one-handed sword, 1 great sword, 1 axe, 1 staff, 1 wand, 1 focus, 1 mace, 1 hammer, 1 horn

Ah you're a keen one, I haven't noticed this before. There's also a torch, which will be an offhand type weapon in GW2, and the Centurion's Claw dagger. Looking at this article, that seems to be all the weapon types there is.

Ninja Ninja

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11 Oct 2010 at 22:52 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancing gnome

ArenaNet members have actually said they intend the first 30 slots to be the only ones with item rewards and the last 20 are exclusively titles. The reason for this was to make sure players could obtain the maximum item rewards from the HoM without feeling like they had to complete every possible thing in the game regardless of whether they enjoyed it or not.

There are many ways to obtain 30 points without having to go too deep into things you absolutely loathe doing. Getting to 50 points requires doing many things most players hate doing. The bar for 30 points is already pretty high for a lot of people, making it 50 for the best rewards would create a lot of unhappy people.

To be honest I think the 34 (I think) rewards we can get are already more than I was expecting. There is one item skin for every piece of equipment in the game (a full armour set, 1 short bow, 1 long bow, 1 pistol, 1 rife, 1 one-handed sword, 1 great sword, 1 axe, 1 staff, 1 wand, 1 focus, 1 mace, 1 hammer, 1 horn). I think the HoM does an excellent job of fully rewarding players and giving plenty of variety - with a bunch of bonus perks (ranger pets and gauntlets). The current HoM increases customer satisfaction for most people a lot more than a much harsher grind based cap.

The problem isn't the rewards, its whether anet is going to carry over its "titles with absolutely no use" to gw2, its no secret titles only became popular when the promise of hom rewards happened. So what are they going to do to fill the void?

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Originally Posted by agrios

From my point of view, that what's happened.

1- Anet made GW
2- People started to spread the word
3- A lot of people from "common" MMOs, where grind is the rule, came
4- ANet introduced grind to please this new playerbase.

Anet abandoned gw1 for 3 years and you're surprised players did grind based achievements. wow.

gremlin

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11 Oct 2010 at 23:11 - 38

Its early days and there is nothing to stop them adding more rewards later on.
I guess if they find everyone and his dog gets 30 points they might consider adding more.
Easier to add new content than to remove anything.

Speaking as someone who has 12 pts so far and thinks he can reasonably get to 20 without too much grinding, I think there are some nice rewards.

If anyone who has worked like mad to get every last point does feel disappointed, remember loads of people said on these forums anything we would get wasn't worth killing yourself for it was likely to just be cosmetic.

jcegt87

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11 Oct 2010 at 23:34 - 39

we are about to start a NEW game and people are b*tching and whinning about there achievements not beign able to transfer seriously .....wow how mnay single games do you know of that let you transfer anything to another completely different game GW2 is 100yrs or so in the future its not another continent and its not an expansion ITS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME

ANET did NOT have to give us anything AT ALL ..they could have done like blizzard did with diablo just forget about it and give an update every blue moon

but no they give us an update mostly every week wheter its a good update or not thats up to the player the do WEEKLY weekend reward things and daily Zquest

i bought this game 5 years ago and i still enjoy it anet has actually done a good job

for people that want their "leetness" to be shown and make them over the normal player go play something else ...ohhh wait you wont because youd prob have to pay to play

people dont forget that you only payed ONE TIME for this game

Rebelor

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11 Oct 2010 at 23:49 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

If you got GWAMM, you can wear that on your whole account in GW2 though.

indeed you can. although i am a gwamm, i will still strive for 50/50---i have time. and gl to all u guys