Hall of Monuments private?

Wyndy

Wyndy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

in the know

Chronic Chaos

N/Me

I am a little uncomfortable with the HoM calculator being available for anyone to view on anyone else. No one can see your hall without you there and you are free to display a title or not. I think the calculator should be protected from roving eyes. It seems like an invasion of privacy to me.

Horace Slughorn

Horace Slughorn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2008

Experientia Docet [OHX], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA], We Gat Dis [HRUU]

W/

I actually agree.

+1

Milennin

Milennin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Europe

W/

True, there should be an option to turn it off to others.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

I agree as well...ppl be HoM stalking way to much already

Zodiac Meteor

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

/not signed

Really no point, people can see what you did. Nothing other than accomplishments can be seen, why do you think we have titles?

OblivionSexy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2010

Don't see why it matters. It is just a game.

Rugar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

/notsigned

Why is this a big deal to anyone? Are you afraid someone is going to torment you if they know you don't have much in your hall? My hall is fairly empty and I don't care who knows.

Mangione

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

I like it the way it is.
What's the point in doing titles/getting fancy weapons/armors/minipets?

Show them off.

/notsigned

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

I think the whole point was so you can see what other people have.
if you can see what your guild member is missing, its easier to help them obtain their 30 points. They might not know how to read the calculator themselves, so you would need to see if you were going to help out.

snowman relic

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

your just a meatsheild to me

N/Mo

/notsigned

i enjoy being able to stand in towns and talk to people who havent filled it yet telling them to go fill it if you like to stalk HoM its your problem not anyone elses

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Unless I start seeing a widespread use of "LF 1 more, must be 45+/50 to join" in PuGing, I see nothing wrong with the calculator being public as it is now.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

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Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
Unless I start seeing a widespread use of "LF 1 more, must be 45+/50 to join" in PuGing, I see nothing wrong with the calculator being public as it is now.
Considering the other idiotic lf ""+ ppl have its not that far fetched. Has anyone tried any dev names?

RedStar

RedStar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

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Meh, like Shayne said, unless people start to actually care about other's achievements, no need to make it private.

And it actually allowed me to see that more than 50% of my friend's list left GW a long time ago (been playing on and off).

Hobbs

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Has anyone tried any dev names?
Ooo...good idea. Just did Linsey (41/50) but Gaile and Regina just gave "Error Retrieving Character" messages.

OT: I like being able to HoMStalk people, and I wouldn't really care if someone did it to me. After looking at mine almost the first thing I did was check my guildies' Halls.

Hells Fury

Hells Fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/D

/no

Cause i can see other ppl HoM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn View Post
I actually agree.

+1
"Look at your HoM
now back to mine,
now back at your HoM,
now back to mine,
sadly it is not like mine,
but if he stopped being so sluggish 7/50
it could be like mine.
look down, back up.
where are you?
you are in RA,.
whats that in your hand,
back at me, I have it,
its an Tormented Shield with an Oppressor spear ,
now look again, the shield is now diamond.
everything is possible when your HoM is filled with all kinds of things.
im in Kamadan"

god this never gets old xD

mathiastemplar

mathiastemplar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Denmark

Jade Reapers [JD]

W/

/notsigned

HoM/titles etc was made for showoff.

Horace Slughorn

Horace Slughorn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2008

Experientia Docet [OHX], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA], We Gat Dis [HRUU]

W/

Actually horace slughorn is not my in game name... if you checked any of my previous posts in ventari you'd know that. And ya, I'm super jealous of your tormented shield, cause theyre so rare... lawl.

Hells Fury

Hells Fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn View Post
Actually horace slughorn is not my in game name... if you checked any of my previous posts in ventari you'd know that. And ya, I'm super jealous of your tormented shield, cause theyre so rare... lawl.
I did it for my own amusement

Don't be jealous, it's a game.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

Uncomfortable that people can see your HoM... lol?

Sorry, usually I have some empathy but I mean, c'mon man.

And yeah that's my IGN. Go check my HoM if you want, lal.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Someone on GW2G said that they got kicked out of a UWSC PUG because he was 24/50, but I haven't seen any other examples.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Someone on GW2G said that they got kicked out of a UWSC PUG because he was 24/50, but I haven't seen any other examples.
lol.

The level of idiocy in this game never ceases to amaze me.

Hells Fury

Hells Fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Someone on GW2G said that they got kicked out of a UWSC PUG because he was 24/50, but I haven't seen any other examples.
...show stones...

Not HoM related but there you go, everyday example.

domaspiragas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2010

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

D/E

/unsigned.
You probably play GW with the door locked and blinds closed. Cuz you know I'll be trying to get a look at your HoM.

Just4Fun

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

/unsigned.

I like to be able to stalk my fellow guildies. LOL, one had bragged about almost filling his HoM with Torments, I looked and only a Destroyer showing. =P

good stuff.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

Just think about the people who dedicated their Kanaxais, Onis, IGs....

gfg lololololol

domaspiragas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2010

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

D/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by TalanRoarer View Post
Just think about the people who dedicated their Kanaxais, Onis, IGs....

gfg lololololol
Better than having 5k ectos rot in storage.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

I'd rather have the ectos, tbh.

Gennadios

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangione View Post
What's the point in doing titles/getting fancy weapons/armors/minipets?
Selling your ACCT when GW2 fervor reaches critical mass?

KZaske

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

I don't want to agree, but I have to. It would be possible for someone to use it as a tool to mine charector names. That would make it a little easer for someone to hack into our accounts.

C.H.U.C.K.S

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

Canada

P/Rt

I dont like it for the reason that some accounts might be targeted because of the stuff they have. I dont know much about gold-bots or whatever but if the people who run or have them will prioritize ones with full halls (including weapons and armors) over those who dont have those. Should be able to turn off public feature.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.H.U.C.K.S View Post
I dont like it for the reason that some accounts might be targeted because of the stuff they have. I dont know much about gold-bots or whatever but if the people who run or have them will prioritize ones with full halls (including weapons and armors) over those who dont have those. Should be able to turn off public feature.
Thats a pretty vaild point.

domaspiragas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2010

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

D/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.H.U.C.K.S View Post
I dont like it for the reason that some accounts might be targeted because of the stuff they have. I dont know much about gold-bots or whatever but if the people who run or have them will prioritize ones with full halls (including weapons and armors) over those who dont have those. Should be able to turn off public feature.
Well people can easily just look for people w/ Obby armor and chaos gloves in game and target them. But maybe it would help them narrow those down? Regardless they still need your email.

higaru

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

D/

read the end user agreement, u do not own anything in the game, u just have the right to play. everything is owned by Anet, so there's no invasion of privacy!

Smarty

Smarty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.H.U.C.K.S View Post
I dont like it for the reason that some accounts might be targeted because of the stuff they have. I dont know much about gold-bots or whatever but if the people who run or have them will prioritize ones with full halls (including weapons and armors) over those who dont have those. Should be able to turn off public feature.
That's my worry too. At the moment it doesn't matter, there's not been a rash of 50/50's (or even 30+/50's) being hacked to indicate there's a weakness anywhere in the system, but if and/or when that happens I would like a privacy option put in immediately for non-staff players please. Prevention would be better than cure but I know NCsoft doesn't work like that.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

So they know what you have/don't have.
How's that hurting you?

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyndy View Post
I am a little uncomfortable with the HoM calculator being available for anyone to view on anyone else. No one can see your hall without you there and you are free to display a title or not. I think the calculator should be protected from roving eyes. It seems like an invasion of privacy to me.
You are, of course, 100% correct - this is an invasion of privacy. But you have to understand 2 things:

1. This game is made by americans and american law is seriously lacking in protection of privacy.
2. The game and this forum is mostly used by young people who lack a real understanding of fundamental concepts. The odds are stacked against the one arguing a case based on lofty ideals and vague principles. (one of which 'right to privacy' indeed is)

Hobbs

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard View Post
You are, of course, 100% correct - this is an invasion of privacy.
You are 100% wrong. You don't own anything on your character in Guild Wars. It is all the property of Arenanet and they're allowed to show their stuff to whoever they want.

I think the reason that you can't see what minis someone has dedicated it to avoid those accounts with Kanaxais etc. being targeted. So many people have Obsidian/Chaos Gloves now it'd be much easy to get the names in game than from the HoM app.

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard View Post
2. The game and this forum is mostly used by young people who lack a real understanding of fundamental concepts. The odds are stacked against the one arguing a case based on lofty ideals and vague principles. (one of which 'right to privacy' indeed is)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka View Post
You are 100% wrong. You don't own anything on your character in Guild Wars. It is all the property of Arenanet and they're allowed to show their stuff to whoever they want.
Case and point.

Any data that can be linked to you as an individual are considered 'personal data'. So whereas you may not own the data themselves you own the right to their use. Now the HoM data can't be used to directly identify any person, but it's not a stretch to assume that many people have given out their identity to other people in the game.

The main justification for data processing regarding personal data is consent, which is to say an informed consent. Many people were not aware that their HoM achievements would be made public when they added the data, this implies a breach of the principle of consent.

I highly doubt Anet are allowed to show all the data people have submitted to anyone they want. They are certainly not allowed to disclose customer identification such as your name, credit card used to purchase, your address and so on.

I can go on about this in more detail if necessary, but I doubt the general public here finds it very interesting. My main point is, as the OP, that Anet has dealth with the issue of privacy on this matter too lightly. But hey, this seems to be a current trend and most people seem not to mind...

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

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Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka View Post

I think the reason that you can't see what minis someone has dedicated it to avoid those accounts with Kanaxais etc. being targeted.
If someone has all the minis in a given section....then obviously a specific mini is there. I can think of 3 such accounts right offhand where this is the case. Not only are ded Kanaxis on these accounts but all the other super high end minis...which in theory, makes them priority targets for hacking.

Rushin Roulette

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

Ill sign this suggestion, just not for the reasons....

Im sure im not the first to think this makes the whole "Input your Character name so we can verify you havent stolen the account" rise in security a few months ago superfluous?

This makes it actually much easier for Hackers and Phishers to check which accounts are actually worth something and which they are easily able to ignore.

An account with 1/50 could be a mule account and would have stuff stored on it thats worth to sell.

An account with 50/50 or close to that mark will be from soemone who can probably afford a lot and has invested time and would probably have stuff worth selling

An account with anything inbetween is proably not worth much because the above reasoning doesnt appply.