Since there is evidently a big "to do" over the PvP titles allowed for HoM in some cirlces, why not just remove the requirement all together?
PvP players will be happy b/c PvE players aren't buying "their" titles and Pve player are happy b/c they don't have to deal with PvP players.
Granted one could still use them for the HoM, there would just be no requirement. Heck then they could make the Zaishen title PvE and no PvE players would care.
Remove the 1 PvP title requirement
Essence Snow
sickle of carnage
OR it could be left as is. Regardless of if Zaishen counts for PvP title or not, people are going to complain. I don't see why it's such a big deal. If someone got their 3 pvp title points from buying keys, then cool, not my business.
Lanier
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OR it could be left as is. Regardless of if Zaishen counts for PvP title or not, people are going to complain. I don't see why it's such a big deal. If someone got their 3 pvp title points from buying keys, then cool, not my business.
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Gennadios
Bitching is what PvP players do. They're elitest, min/maxing pricks, and they bitch.
Personally I could care less whether the one PvP title requirement stays or not, getting the 200 zkeys is a worthy challenge.
On the other hand, Lux/Kurz should have counted for that title, they were also originally meant for PvP but got hijacked by farmers.
Personally I could care less whether the one PvP title requirement stays or not, getting the 200 zkeys is a worthy challenge.
On the other hand, Lux/Kurz should have counted for that title, they were also originally meant for PvP but got hijacked by farmers.
Divine Ashes
/not signed.
It's not like r6 hero, r3 glad, or r3 Zaishen are prestigious titles. I don't think PvP players care much, as these are still fairly noobish ranks. Let them buy the ZKeys, or, here's a HUGE worry, flood RA with players who are actually TRYING O_o.
It's not like r6 hero, r3 glad, or r3 Zaishen are prestigious titles. I don't think PvP players care much, as these are still fairly noobish ranks. Let them buy the ZKeys, or, here's a HUGE worry, flood RA with players who are actually TRYING O_o.
Mia Clemons
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Originally Posted by Gennadios
Bitching is what PvP players do. They're elitest, min/maxing pricks, and they bitch.
Personally I could care less whether the one PvP title requirement stays or not, getting the 200 zkeys is a worthy challenge. On the other hand, Lux/Kurz should have counted for that title, they were also originally meant for PvP but got hijacked by farmers. |
I'm actually a little surprised that Luxon/Kurzick isnt PvP. While its roots is PvE related, i feel its more of a PvP title. <So why is there Alliance Battles???>
` Marshmallow
I agree with removing it, though :C Lux/Kurz titles should be PvP:\
X Ghoul
r10 g4 c2 and it doesn't bother me, BUT it's not like I even valued zaishen title as a real title let alone pvp to begin with so.. meh
Gennadios
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Sounds like a Pve Noob that gets pwnd in PvP. GG.
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After 2 months of RA I ended up with a grand total of 76 points, 40 of those were from a double faction weekend where we rolled an extremely good team and got the 25 streak.
That's pretty much the whole story of PvP.
GvG for a month with a guild that's just trying to learn the basics, maybe you'll earn 30k balth faction and you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to earn one or two champ points.
RA for a month, expect to wade through a ton of rudeness, pricks that leave the team at the end of the counter so you get to face the next group 3/4, and even if you end up with an average team, it's a crapshoot whether you'll limp past 5 consecutive wins. Maybe you'll earn 20 glad points in that time.
Nty, in an hour of PvEing I can earn more zkeys than I'll get in a month of PvP.
And you, my friend can go back to the PvP forums and complain about the degenerate meta, the rank based lock-out of new players, and the slow death of most PvP formats.
Edit: Typo
Mia Clemons
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Nty, in an hour of PvEing I can earn more zkeys than I'll get in a month of PvP.
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And you, my friend can go back to the PvP forums and complain about the degenerate meta, the rank based lock-out of new players, and the slow death of most PvP formats.
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If i do go PvP, its for shits and giggles with friends, not to outrank others in an endless competition to see who's better at following basic strategy over Vent. I dare domaspiragas to make more money then any decent PvE farmer :P
domaspiragas
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And you, my friend can go back to the PvP forums and complain about the degenerate meta, the rank based lock-out of new players, and the slow death of most PvP formats. |
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I dare domaspiragas to make more money then any decent PvE farmer :P
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Shayne Hawke
PvE and PvP are two different environments of GW. I see nothing wrong with requiring a person who wants to have the maximum reward in GW2 to have been versed in both realms.
Olle
50 point mark= you need to work on gwamm>if you got gwamm , 200 keys should not be hard. Hom is an PvE thing(mostly) so pvpers that often just say that PvE is to Easy should just quit whining.
jazilla
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Originally Posted by Essence Snow
Since there is evidently a big "to do" over the PvP titles allowed for HoM in some cirlces, why not just remove the requirement all together?
PvP players will be happy b/c PvE players aren't buying "their" titles and Pve player are happy b/c they don't have to deal with PvP players. Granted one could still use them for the HoM, there would just be no requirement. Heck then they could make the Zaishen title PvE and no PvE players would care. |
/signed
miriforst
yes, i too cant see why they didn't make the kurz/lux title track a pvp title.
except for the z-key title track, they would have been the only titles available for casual players or rather, players who didnt play since the begining or who discovered pvp a bit late and missed the train.
gladiator is night impossible without team arena (400 points for statue, 40,000 for max lol) so thats a joke.
if you havent got rank >9 (or as they say in ha: "glf r9++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*(1 0^2)/(50,67^½)" not even saying what they are looking for, but rather what ranks they are lf, so yeah the rumor about pvp elitists existing is true!
(and the worst thing is that this have spread to places like toa in the form of "show 500 stones plox!, no noobs!"
to make no special reward more than any other would i find great but would rage about the entire pvp population that played since beta.
commander doesn't exist anymore (to gain i mean) and codex is a parody of RA.
alliance title at least is possible since it doesn't require consecutive wins or "r9^10*489,9++++++++++++++++,noobs will be shot upon sight and then killed again with fire!"
gvg title is slow, since you cant spam it like the "enter battle" button in ra as it takes a big deal of organization.
/signed i think?
edit: this inspired me to make this! (sry for bad quality)
except for the z-key title track, they would have been the only titles available for casual players or rather, players who didnt play since the begining or who discovered pvp a bit late and missed the train.
gladiator is night impossible without team arena (400 points for statue, 40,000 for max lol) so thats a joke.
if you havent got rank >9 (or as they say in ha: "glf r9++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*(1 0^2)/(50,67^½)" not even saying what they are looking for, but rather what ranks they are lf, so yeah the rumor about pvp elitists existing is true!
(and the worst thing is that this have spread to places like toa in the form of "show 500 stones plox!, no noobs!"to make no special reward more than any other would i find great but would rage about the entire pvp population that played since beta.
commander doesn't exist anymore (to gain i mean) and codex is a parody of RA.
alliance title at least is possible since it doesn't require consecutive wins or "r9^10*489,9++++++++++++++++,noobs will be shot upon sight and then killed again with fire!"
gvg title is slow, since you cant spam it like the "enter battle" button in ra as it takes a big deal of organization.
/signed i think?
edit: this inspired me to make this!
(sry for bad quality)
Eragon Zarroc
pvp is a core component of the game, it has to have some place in the HoM. be happy that it is only worth 3 points 
Divine Ashes
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im down with this and i am the dude that started that z-rank title not being pvp. sometimes when you put a lot of work into something you get a strong opinion about it. this would fix that problem really if all titles were "equal". nice suggestion Essence. kudos.
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I still don't understand why exactly people feel this needs to be fixed? If you want the points, work towards the PvP trophies. You can buy the r3 Z title for around a million gold if you bought every single ZKey you used. This is equivalent to buying FoW armor (around there, anyways). If you already have the PvP trophy, then why even concern yourself with other people trying to obtain it? If anything the PvP players should be complaining that all of the possible rewards and titles in GW2 are geared towards PvE players. If anything, there should be more PvP points available.
And why should PvP players care if PvE players are buying "their" titles. ZRank is hardly a PvP title...at all, and that is without a doubt what most PvE players will go to. If you have a problem with this, then you have a problem with the ZKeys system, and not the HoM rewards for a PvP title. Is this even a concern for PvP players, or are you just making it up to try and make a point?
Motoko
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Originally Posted by Gennadios
Bitching is what PvP players do. They're elitest, min/maxing pricks, and they bitch.
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I think it can go both ways.
Unfortunately the truly higher end of PvP is built around some sort of respect between each other (opponents) because the PvP community is dwindling too far, so we typically know each other fairly well from gaming with each other from the past few years.
I say that it is unfortunate because a lot of people will never get to experience that sort of respect.
So to come here and say if a terrible pve player was to play with you, you are immune to the "bitching/elitest" aspects in PvE?
Right.
higaru
not signed and stop whiniiiiiingggggg, pvp titles should give more points then pve since there's only a few of them
Ben-A-BoO
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PvP players will be happy b/c PvE players aren't buying "their" titles ...
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It is also kinda fair if you think about it, since PvPer's who want to fill their Hall have to get other HoM-rewards too (like mini's, end-game weapons, armor) which they than have to buy with from PvEr's, with money from ZKeys. Or have you ever seen an ecto drop from a foe in RA/HA/GvG?
Isn't this a win/win situation?
North Dragon Slayer
i think its BS that they made lux/kurz pve titles now as they dnt count as pvp titles, yet they make zaishen pvp.
Grotesque
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PvP players will be happy b/c PvE players aren't buying "their" titles and Pve player are happy b/c they don't have to deal with PvP players.
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RedStar
If you want max reward then you should have played almost every aspect of the game. And being named "Guild Wars" be happy they didn't add a requirement for Champion r3 xD.
Edge Igneas
I'm rather amazed that the Kurz and Luxon titles don't count for PvP, since most people get their faction through JQ/FA/AB.
If anything, the Zaishen title is more of a PvE title, since most people buy their keys.
If anything, the Zaishen title is more of a PvE title, since most people buy their keys.
Grumpy Bear
You people are non-stop whiners. It isn't that you are UNABLE to get the PvP title, its the fact you don't WANT to.
G3 is easy to get.
If you guys spent less time bitchin' at anything and everything then maybe you could get some Glad/Hero points.
Its like saying 'I don't want to farm/make money to get Obsidian Armour or a Tormented Weapon, remove the requirement!'
G3 is easy to get.
If you guys spent less time bitchin' at anything and everything then maybe you could get some Glad/Hero points.
Its like saying 'I don't want to farm/make money to get Obsidian Armour or a Tormented Weapon, remove the requirement!'
Maver1ck87
This seems to be heading in the same direction as countless other threads. OMG IM NEW TO PVP AND NO ONE TAKES ME IN THEIR TEAMS... ITS NOT LIKE RANK MAKES U ANY BETTER OF A PLAYER!.... ok, whether that sentence is true or not, that is not the point of this thread...
My view on the original question is I believe they should keep the PvP req. A) makes PvP more active again, and B) If you want to 'MAX' your hall of monuments you should not be a one trick pony, infact, I applaud the fact you have to be adept in PvE and to a significantly smaller amount PvP.
Zaishen title: Who cares... markets booming and loads of people to sell my keys to. And on top of that @ 200 keys thats 1000k at current prices.... thats a big ask for lots of people... Unless people lrn how to farm GvG quest days... but thats unlikely!
Kurcick and Luxon: I maxed my kurcick without doing a single AB or CM... its not a PvP title, and hasnt been since like a week after factions was released... If anyone can HONESTLY say they have maxed it soley through PvP and show me proof, I will retract this statement, till then, it stands true.
If your not rich and not ranked what does that leave you....
---> Random Arenas <---
Random arenas does not require you to be r999121232193+ so there is not significant elitism. Yes good players will rage if u look bad... common practise, but meh, dont look bad? Also there are syncers.... but srsly you face them what once/50 matches? Not a huge deal...
The biggest problem unranked players find with RA is that you kinda have to be half decent to win points... so all the peoplee early in this thread saying i spend 2 months solidly in RA and got 70 points............. maybe that was not random arenas fault, maybe you need to improve a bit? This isnt UW with patrol routes and aggro patterns, it requires you to possess different skills (not skills, but player Skillz) to PvE.
In summary:
/notsigned and advice to anyone short of this title, if your rich, im selling keys at 5.5k ea, and if ur poor, time to go read advice on how to be a good pvper and go win at RA.
Then, when you demonstrate that, u qualify to be a CHAMPION OF THE GODS!!!!! lol
My view on the original question is I believe they should keep the PvP req. A) makes PvP more active again, and B) If you want to 'MAX' your hall of monuments you should not be a one trick pony, infact, I applaud the fact you have to be adept in PvE and to a significantly smaller amount PvP.
Zaishen title: Who cares... markets booming and loads of people to sell my keys to. And on top of that @ 200 keys thats 1000k at current prices.... thats a big ask for lots of people... Unless people lrn how to farm GvG quest days... but thats unlikely!
Kurcick and Luxon: I maxed my kurcick without doing a single AB or CM... its not a PvP title, and hasnt been since like a week after factions was released... If anyone can HONESTLY say they have maxed it soley through PvP and show me proof, I will retract this statement, till then, it stands true.
If your not rich and not ranked what does that leave you....
---> Random Arenas <---
Random arenas does not require you to be r999121232193+ so there is not significant elitism. Yes good players will rage if u look bad... common practise, but meh, dont look bad? Also there are syncers.... but srsly you face them what once/50 matches? Not a huge deal...
The biggest problem unranked players find with RA is that you kinda have to be half decent to win points... so all the peoplee early in this thread saying i spend 2 months solidly in RA and got 70 points............. maybe that was not random arenas fault, maybe you need to improve a bit? This isnt UW with patrol routes and aggro patterns, it requires you to possess different skills (not skills, but player Skillz) to PvE.
In summary:
/notsigned and advice to anyone short of this title, if your rich, im selling keys at 5.5k ea, and if ur poor, time to go read advice on how to be a good pvper and go win at RA.
Then, when you demonstrate that, u qualify to be a CHAMPION OF THE GODS!!!!! lol
lutz
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Nty, in an hour of PvEing I can earn more zkeys than I'll get in a month of PvP.
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A 1.5 hour automated tournament, first place... 150 reward points, or 30 Zaishen Keys
A 6 hour monthly automated tournament, first place... priceless. A gold cape and four stacks of Zaishen Keys.
Warvic
It's not a PVE-ONLY game. It was a originally a PVP game!! Stop QQ-ing!!
Astral_Nomad
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Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko
I've actually had this experience quite a lot with PvE players.
I think it can go both ways. Unfortunately the truly higher end of PvP is built around some sort of respect between each other (opponents) because the PvP community is dwindling too far, so we typically know each other fairly well from gaming with each other from the past few years. I say that it is unfortunate because a lot of people will never get to experience that sort of respect. So to come here and say if a terrible pve player was to play with you, you are immune to the "bitching/elitest" aspects in PvE? Right. |
BlackSephir
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Bitching is what PvP players do.
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Hahahaha oh wow, how ironic considering it was pvers who whined the crap out of gwg about ursan, shadow farm, scaled loot and many other things.
Also how ironic that "amazing" mods of gwg seemed to miss this thread and people like this.
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Perma sf? No? Gtfo.
Tank? Healer? Nuker? No? Gtfo.
A PvPer calls someone bad at the game because he brings defy pain and endure pain + healing breeze on their warrior. A PvEr calls someone bad because they're not GWAMM and don't have enough cons and disgusting obsidian armor.
I feel dumber just for reading your crappy post. You may be proud of yourself.
Sankt Hallvard
Daaaamm, I've been doing AB all these years thinking I was doing pvp.
To Chicken To Die
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Hahahaha oh wow, how ironic considering it was pvers who whined the crap out of gwg about ursan, shadow farm, scaled loot and many other things.
Also how ironic that "amazing" mods of gwg seemed to miss this thread and people like this. R10 norn only, no noobs! Perma sf? No? Gtfo. Tank? Healer? Nuker? No? Gtfo. A PvPer calls someone bad at the game because he brings defy pain and endure pain + healing breeze on their warrior. A PvEr calls someone bad because they're not GWAMM and don't have enough cons and disgusting obsidian armor. I feel dumber just for reading your crappy post. You may be proud of yourself. |
You should feel dumb to quote crappy posts with crappy posts
BlackSephir
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Your just taking one aspect of the game wich is grinding. And yes thats were all PvE bitches are. But PvE can be played for days without grinding and thus finding such people. RA You can't. HA you can't. Codex (well oki but only because there is noone there) And that pretty much sums up PvP.
You should feel dumb to quote crappy posts with crappy posts |
Next time you respond to me, try not to butcher English.
kedde
Turn down the suck and play the game instead.
You want the full reward? Play the full game.
You want the full reward? Play the full game.
Grumpy Bear
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Daaaamm, I've been doing AB all these years thinking I was doing pvp.
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To Chicken To Die
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
No, boy, Ursan wasn't used just in grinding. It was used even for the easiest crap. Could you do DoA if you didn't want to go Ursan? Aww, you couldn't, so the game couldn't be played normally then.
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And you grammar control comments prove your trolling and ignorant attitude more.
Ursan is a skill that was overpowerd and was dealt with quick. So were many PvP skills.
Can you please stop trolling every thread and butcher the forums with your master degree in English Sheldon. (and if you want to make comments about grammer then you shouldn't be shit in it yourself)
Edit: DoA is not grinding? since when?
Hells Fury
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Hahahaha oh wow, how ironic considering it was pvers who whined the crap out of gwg about ursan, shadow farm, scaled loot and many other things.
Also how ironic that "amazing" mods of gwg seemed to miss this thread and people like this. |
Actually the list of pve skills that were being bitched and whined for a nerf is quite short. Just for the info i was never for sf change.
Here are some of the skills in pvp that were change through power of your bitching and whining :
Primal Rage, Overload, Mark of Insecurity, BB, smiters boon (you really nailed it here), Palm Strike, Warriors Endurance, VoR, Magebane, Blinding Surge, Mark of Reaper etc etc. And thats only few skills mentioned.
Fabez
"blah blah blah ursan needs nerf blah blah blah sf needs nerf blah blah blah sound familiar? it's you pve whiners"
"blah blah blah visions of regret needs nerf blah blah blah escape rangers needs nerf blah blah blah sound familiar? its you pvp whiners"
Now that we've established we have people complaining (read: "whiners") in both PvE and PvP formats, I think we can get back on the topic at hand.
Speaking of which, I don't really care whether or not the PvP title is a requirement.
Continue.
"blah blah blah visions of regret needs nerf blah blah blah escape rangers needs nerf blah blah blah sound familiar? its you pvp whiners"
Now that we've established we have people complaining (read: "whiners") in both PvE and PvP formats, I think we can get back on the topic at hand.
Speaking of which, I don't really care whether or not the PvP title is a requirement.
Continue.
Hobbs
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R10 norn only, no noobs!
Perma sf? No? Gtfo. Tank? Healer? Nuker? No? Gtfo. A PvPer calls someone bad at the game because he brings defy pain and endure pain + healing breeze on their warrior. A PvEr calls someone bad because they're not GWAMM and don't have enough cons and disgusting obsidian armor. I feel dumber just for reading your crappy post. You may be proud of yourself. |
R10 Norn is used as a requirement because it acts as the attribute for PvE skills. If someone wanted to join a PvP team but only had 170 attribute points would you let them in?
PvP requires the correct build even more than PvE, im pretty sure that if a team was asking for a Shock Warrior for HA and someone playing a 100b warrior joined and refused to change they'd be kicked in exactly the same way someone not playing Perma SF would be in a SC party.
Oh, and plenty of PvPers call other players bad because they don't have XXX title, even moreso than in PvE. I've literally never seen anyone be called bad on the basis of their armour or title in all my PvE play.
I feel you're dumber after reading your crappy post.
fowlero
Be thankful that it's one title, it counts for a mere 3 points. Just do the zaishen title and it costs you about the same as all your drunkard/sweet tooth shiz so i really don't see whats to complain about.
This HoM calculator wasn't supposed to magically give you 50/50.
There's barely any complaints from the PvP community having to PvE, except that one moronic thread where everyone disagrees with the OP.
This HoM calculator wasn't supposed to magically give you 50/50.
There's barely any complaints from the PvP community having to PvE, except that one moronic thread where everyone disagrees with the OP.