Ok, im pro this 7 hero update for reasons I will now state....
Zaishen bounty was a great addition to the game, it focuses the remaining players on a few certain aspects of the game each day and therefore continues the GWs tradition of having parties :P
Now, I made a personnel note having H/H everything (almost) in the game to treat ZBs and ZMs as a way to keep in contact with GWs population when PvEing. However, this did nothing for my blood pressure. I generally run a /kick if bad bar policy and invariably have no trouble waltzing through any of the ZBs in fast time, having been very VERY selective in who I bring... people generally rage at me for kicking them and a lot of you will say im one of those elitists who ruined the game, that is NOT why im making this thread... One of the things I will miss when I just rock up and roll with 7 heroes, is getting a good laugh out of some of the builds people ping me.
So, in honor of the death of pugging I want people to post some of the worst PUG builds they see when pugging ZBs or WiK missions or whatever. Whether it be Vow of strength dervs, warriors running DwG, necros trying to run SoS... (cos necros are clearly short of OPed elites) or things much much worse... Pls ping and maybe people will get a good laugh, or.... close the thread cos its too similar to the other 72314141 other threads about 7 hero parties!!!!
So post away, ill add any I see that are particularly bad :P
Heroes > Humans? At least they run this skillz I tell them :P
Maver1ck87
aspi
"necros trying to run SoS.."
Hmm Necros can run Sos just fine what are you talking about?
Hmm Necros can run Sos just fine what are you talking about?
Morphy
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Originally Posted by aspi
"necros trying to run SoS.."
Hmm Necros can run Sos just fine what are you talking about? |
aspi
Sure they have, but to say Necros are no good as SoS is just not right. When I farm I always take my necro over my Rt.
Could be I like my necro more ofcoz.
Could be I like my necro more ofcoz.
Maver1ck87
Farming is not the same as doing bounties and missions, and for that yes a necro, or ele or monk can do SoS just fine.... the point i was making is that necros can have 4 or 5 SERIOUSLY overpowered builds so why would u bother taking SoS as an alternative, its like a paragon running SoS.... secondly as our good friend said, rts run it better....
also... this thread is to post bad builds, i was just giving an example, yes its not terribad, but tbh, it aint 'good' in my eyes. But people have different opinions on whats good, whats acceptable and whats bad. This thread is for people to post bad builds they see so we can have a few good laughs :P not to question what classes can run SoS and to what standard.... i hurd my war was strong SoS....
also... this thread is to post bad builds, i was just giving an example, yes its not terribad, but tbh, it aint 'good' in my eyes. But people have different opinions on whats good, whats acceptable and whats bad. This thread is for people to post bad builds they see so we can have a few good laughs :P not to question what classes can run SoS and to what standard.... i hurd my war was strong SoS....
Maver1ck87
oh and PLS dont say, whats wrong with Vow of strength on a derv when running with 7 humans...... cos i KNOW someone will read that and be like.... 'but Vow of strength is gooood'!
aspi
Ok, in that case I think I can post my first build when I get home think I stil have it somewhere.
Dunno the exact skill but like so many before my I thought flare spamming was working fine. Untill I reached LA and some nice guildies showed me some awesome builds.
Dunno the exact skill but like so many before my I thought flare spamming was working fine. Untill I reached LA and some nice guildies showed me some awesome builds.
Bassma
Everybody doesn't play to "maximize" everything and do it as fast as they can. There are really no bad builds just bad players like the OP. When one plays to have fun then all other things are really irrelevant. It is fun to play for laughs, but, not to laugh at other players way of playing.
I also see this thread as turning into nothing but a flamewar. The OP is just taking stabs at those that play differently and not his way.
I also see this thread as turning into nothing but a flamewar. The OP is just taking stabs at those that play differently and not his way.
FengShuiDove
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There are really no bad builds
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I'm a big fan of experimenting with builds, especially now that I've got my titles and basically completed everything I set out to do. I'd probably get kicked out of one of OP's PUGs and laugh about it. Sometimes a subpar build can be played pretty masterfully. Maybe it's not meta, but still worth bringing. That's why my 7 hero setups probably won't be 100% ordinary, but they'll be just as good as the next guy that copies from PvX or runs meta heroes.
@aspi - Flare spam is always so tempting though when you're new. You're always casting something and it makes you feel like you're just cranking out damage
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Whirl E Vic
What always irks me is when pug-ing an easy bounty that takes 5 minutes (like valis today) and you join a group and the leader is R/Rt running spirit spam and then invites a Rt/x and tells the Rit to run something other than SoS. Let the rit run spirit spam and the ranger run splinter barrage or ANY ranger build!!! SoS is not the only build out there pug people...
/endrant
/endrant
Essence Snow
This is a prime example of a build that most would say is really bad.....but it isn't. It serves a very specific role in a specific area in a team build. Point is....it's a bit debatable over what is/is not bad. All aspects of a build and what it's used for have to be explored to judge it's merit.
@ Bassma... I can see this thread becomming a massive flame war as well.
Luminarus
I saw a monk running this:
Ether Feast, Energy Tap, Divine Intervention, Clumsiness, Restful Breeze, Shared Burden, Watchful Spirit, Res Chant
+ ive seen the stupid WoH Warrior running a monk bar with 2 pips of regen (totally pro)
Ether Feast, Energy Tap, Divine Intervention, Clumsiness, Restful Breeze, Shared Burden, Watchful Spirit, Res Chant
+ ive seen the stupid WoH Warrior running a monk bar with 2 pips of regen (totally pro)
RedDog91
Basically every build I've ever made has had me kicked from teams. And then I laugh when I finish the mission in 10 minutes and see the same team still in outpost saying "GLF more!"
If you are creative enough then you won't have to use one of the vanilla wiki builds like SoS or the such. The problem is that most "elite" players have become dependent on pvx wiki and can't imagine any use for builds that aren't on the site.
If you are creative enough then you won't have to use one of the vanilla wiki builds like SoS or the such. The problem is that most "elite" players have become dependent on pvx wiki and can't imagine any use for builds that aren't on the site.
Anon-e-mouse
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"necros trying to run SoS.."
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Why would you gimp a Necro, who using soul reaping reclaims loads of energy to then use that energy on Signet of Spirits,... a skill which doesn't need energy.
/fail.
Leave SoS to Rits please, they're much better at it than ANY other profession.
bsoltan
I'm sure there is a big old thread around somewhere where people listed the silly builds they saw people run.
Xsiriss
Uh PuGing stopped being a big thing ages ago, for anything the addition of Embarkment Beach will promote it...
Roen
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What always irks me is when pug-ing an easy bounty that takes 5 minutes (like valis today) and you join a group and the leader is R/Rt running spirit spam and then invites a Rt/x and tells the Rit to run something other than SoS. Let the rit run spirit spam and the ranger run splinter barrage or ANY ranger build!!! SoS is not the only build out there pug people...
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That said, if I'm in a PuG and somebody pings what looks like an awful build to me, instead of laughing at them and feeling smug and superior, I discuss it with them and either they or I learn something. And that feels WAY better than narcissism.
cosyfiep
for the most part ANY build I run would get me 'kicked' for the OP team, I have only looked at the pvx ONCE in my life....otherwise I run what I want to, yes sometimes we do fail but for the most part I recall someone saying they could play the game with no skills on their bar and still beat every mission------
I run the builds I am comfortable with, asking my rit to go resto is like asking me to do shaowform on a sin (which I dont even have one of)....you just wont get any heals from me if I am still reading the skill descriptions (no sorry I do NOT have them all memorized or know which ones sync well with others and which do not, I have a RL ).
so my mes who runs with her pet build (and interupts) will probably get a big laugh from everyone here, but my heroes and henchmen dont mind and since she has completed leg guardian as well as most of the wik stuff I doubt I will have any reason to pug with her so no one will get to have that big laugh, sorry.
I run the builds I am comfortable with, asking my rit to go resto is like asking me to do shaowform on a sin (which I dont even have one of)....you just wont get any heals from me if I am still reading the skill descriptions (no sorry I do NOT have them all memorized or know which ones sync well with others and which do not, I have a RL ).
so my mes who runs with her pet build (and interupts) will probably get a big laugh from everyone here, but my heroes and henchmen dont mind and since she has completed leg guardian as well as most of the wik stuff I doubt I will have any reason to pug with her so no one will get to have that big laugh, sorry.
Crimson Robes
As bad as all the mending/wounding strike monks etc etc etc are
What annoys me the most is people who didnt do the +30 skillpoint quests...
Anyway random ones:
The last one was a monk, and no he wasnt trolling... He actually played that xD
What annoys me the most is people who didnt do the +30 skillpoint quests...
Anyway random ones:
The last one was a monk, and no he wasnt trolling... He actually played that xD
Windf0rce
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As has been pointed out, Rit's can go upto 16 Channelling, which gives higher leveled spirits, which do more damage and are more durable, adding in spawning power is also an added bonus making spirits even more durable.
Why would you gimp a Necro, who using soul reaping reclaims loads of energy to then use that energy on Signet of Spirits,... a skill which doesn't need energy. /fail. Leave SoS to Rits please, they're much better at it than ANY other profession. |
However suppose your team just got filled with 8 and not a single Rit. Pretty much any profession can go /Rt secondary and play SoS effectively. It might not be as strong but SoS is so overpowered that the small loss in firepower/durability is no reason to not run it.
Jugalo Dano
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Farming is not the same as doing bounties and missions, and for that yes a necro, or ele or monk can do SoS just fine.... the point i was making is that necros can have 4 or 5 SERIOUSLY overpowered builds so why would u bother taking SoS as an alternative, its like a paragon running SoS.... secondly as our good friend said, rts run it better....
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Joined a pug the other day for the zm = Oola's lab. Group had 2 necros (myself one of em) 1 Sos Rit and 1 monk. Oola's has no corpses for minions so both necros were setup as ss; the Rit switched to resto & I ran the Sos to accommodate the team. Pretty specific example I know, but stuff like this happens often when there is slim pickings for team members.
Really though, I don't run into that many unfamiliar skill bars in pug's, for the most part people are aware of what works and what doesn't. The worst I can think of was the necro running the discord AP bar with 4 empty skill slots that I mentioned in another thread.
Milennin
If I organize a PUG I'll take pretty much anything, as long as there's a good balance between protections, heal and damage. It's funny to see how we do with people using builds that are sometimes pretty bad.
Xman
I am also one of those people that has never looked at PvX wiki. I think that half the fun of Guild Wars is trying out new builds to see what you like and what you don't like. For example, my first build woth an elite got me through Factions easily. Now I use a different build. Yesterday I decided to go back and see how good my old build actually was. It was pretty bad. However I beat Factions with it and had a good time running it while I did. No it was not the best build ever, but it was fun to run.
FoxBat
Is the OP trying to imply that henching ZM/ZB was somehow hard, and only NOW will they become easier than forming a pug, and thus pugging will decrease dramatically?
Whatever you think about pugging, the addition of 7 heroes is not going to change it, except in those few elite areas where no henchmen exist.
Whatever you think about pugging, the addition of 7 heroes is not going to change it, except in those few elite areas where no henchmen exist.
UnChosen
Heroes are greater than Humans regardless of the skills used or the skill levels...for one reason.
They take no time to form at all! Most of the time If I want to form a decent human group (guild or pugs) it takes an average of 10 minutes. Frequently someone needs a washroom break, is missing a skill, or need to switch characters. Not to mention the frequent lack of key characters like monks.
Once your take all those into consideration, even if you get the greatest group in the game, by the time the group is actually ready to go, a H/h team would already be 10 minutes into the mission, minimizing any advantage you've gotten by forming a good human group, if not eliminating the advantage altogether. The presence of less than decent players in pugs merely add salt to the wound.
They take no time to form at all! Most of the time If I want to form a decent human group (guild or pugs) it takes an average of 10 minutes. Frequently someone needs a washroom break, is missing a skill, or need to switch characters. Not to mention the frequent lack of key characters like monks.
Once your take all those into consideration, even if you get the greatest group in the game, by the time the group is actually ready to go, a H/h team would already be 10 minutes into the mission, minimizing any advantage you've gotten by forming a good human group, if not eliminating the advantage altogether. The presence of less than decent players in pugs merely add salt to the wound.
IlikeGW
I'll take a bad playing, but good-hearted PUG over the speed clear jerks any day. There's something retarded about the kind of people who just want to grind the game over and over with the most "epic" read: path of least resistance method, while they snack on cheetos. And yeah, I've been there and done that but got bored fast.
ilr
okay sooo... OP is a dick. ...not a personal attack either. His entire post is "This is the rude things I do for my own benefit, help me be mean to other people playing concept builds and raise their blood pressure instead". He's telling us straight up that his bad behavior must be justified here.
IMO, thread should have been /reported. No good could come of this
IMO, thread should have been /reported. No good could come of this
Tokar Terrius
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okay sooo... OP is a dick. ...not a personal attack either. His entire post is "This is the rude things I do for my own benefit, help me be mean to other people playing concept builds and raise their blood pressure instead". He's telling us straight up that his bad behavior must be justified here.
IMO, thread should have been /reported. No good could come of this |
Always gonna turn into a b!tchy whiny thread.
chuckles79
I think the level of build snobbery should be relative to the difficulty of the mission.
Consulate Docks, STFU and don't kick a monk because he doesn't have your fav. rune or won't bring Heal Party.
If it's the UW or Duncan, then build snobbery is critical.
I almost went insane when we had a team lead nitpicking the entire team over bloodstone caves.
/kick should be reserved for fire nukers who insist their build works against destroyers
Consulate Docks, STFU and don't kick a monk because he doesn't have your fav. rune or won't bring Heal Party.
If it's the UW or Duncan, then build snobbery is critical.
I almost went insane when we had a team lead nitpicking the entire team over bloodstone caves.
/kick should be reserved for fire nukers who insist their build works against destroyers
Skyy High
It's amusing how there's quite often more snobbery thrown around in these threads towards "elitists" than from them.
Maver1ck87
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okay sooo... OP is a dick. ...not a personal attack either. His entire post is "This is the rude things I do for my own benefit, help me be mean to other people playing concept builds and raise their blood pressure instead". He's telling us straight up that his bad behavior must be justified here.
IMO, thread should have been /reported. No good could come of this |
This thread is just so us vaguely experienced players can have a laugh and a joke about them. If you dont wanna read a thread about bad builds or whatever, because you still believe every on this earth is intellectually of equal merit then fine, dont read it? is it that hard to just hit x?
If you honestly believe there is nothing such as a bad build, just 'original builds' vs 'PvX' builds then please do not feel free to post here. I'm so bored of this argument I don't bother having it any more. Go obs mode and you will realise what is meant by 'skill balance'. Only a fraction of the elites in the game should get use in PvP and slightly more are excusable in PvE.
To all of ya who posted builds
<3, esp <3 the post about the free +30 attribute point quests.... after 5 1/2 years of game? not doing 2 quests? for free points.... To this dude..... OH NOESSSSS SOMEONE IN THE WORLD OF GUILDS WARS THINKS IM A DICK!!!!! Although I hasten to add it was not a personal attack and therefore no offense can be taken. To the poster I bid thee farewell, and please refrain from posting any further non personal attack posts/statements of fact or whatever! unless relating to my /report/spanking then please feel free to drop me a pm :P and this is NOT a personal attack, honest
Maver1ck87
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it's amusing how there's quite often more snobbery thrown around in these threads towards "elitists" than from them.
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Skye Marin
You know, I've never met a ranger bow build I've really appreciated.
Even splinter barrage is way outclassed by Splinter Wounding Strike.
Even splinter barrage is way outclassed by Splinter Wounding Strike.
RedDog91
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You know, I've never met a ranger bow build I've really appreciated.
Even splinter barrage is way outclassed by Splinter Wounding Strike. |
*put on flame shield*
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
to be ontopic:
heroes can be faster than certain groups of humans... BUT
1. you cant have as much fun, like chatting
2. once you found a very good team, heroes will never make it that far
3. heroes cant think, like interrupters
if you have interrupter mesmer hero, he/she (norgu or gwen) will interrupt any skill, so if a ranger does troll unguent, while an ele is doing meteor shower, or searing flames for more annoying and not escapable burn+dmg example, you'll be showered, or for SF you'll be scorched, as targeting does not work well with heroes/hench, some still go after another foe, at least for me
and a human player group... a good one, will know which enemy to attack and interrupt
sure, heroes can do some things better, but dont think of what to do
also, i think the topicname should imo be: Heroes > Humans if you're in a hurry?... etc
for me, i play the game for fun, and chats (yes even after 7 heroes announcement), not to go through it faster without having any fun
achievements are ok, but not if i only do stuff non-stop and as fast as possible
even if i had too much of work(which i dont) i wouldnt want to go through it just cuz i can do everything in 1 day
now that i showed my opinion, i can say a bit more about the question
very good players who know what they do > heroes which have the best builds ingame
even with heroes you cant do it that much faster, as you sometimes gotta command them, as i told you before, they cant think, so it will take some time for that too
hope i made my point clear enough
heroes can be faster than certain groups of humans... BUT
1. you cant have as much fun, like chatting
2. once you found a very good team, heroes will never make it that far
3. heroes cant think, like interrupters
if you have interrupter mesmer hero, he/she (norgu or gwen) will interrupt any skill, so if a ranger does troll unguent, while an ele is doing meteor shower, or searing flames for more annoying and not escapable burn+dmg example, you'll be showered, or for SF you'll be scorched, as targeting does not work well with heroes/hench, some still go after another foe, at least for me
and a human player group... a good one, will know which enemy to attack and interrupt
sure, heroes can do some things better, but dont think of what to do
also, i think the topicname should imo be: Heroes > Humans if you're in a hurry?... etc
for me, i play the game for fun, and chats (yes even after 7 heroes announcement), not to go through it faster without having any fun
achievements are ok, but not if i only do stuff non-stop and as fast as possible
even if i had too much of work(which i dont) i wouldnt want to go through it just cuz i can do everything in 1 day
now that i showed my opinion, i can say a bit more about the question
very good players who know what they do > heroes which have the best builds ingame
even with heroes you cant do it that much faster, as you sometimes gotta command them, as i told you before, they cant think, so it will take some time for that too
hope i made my point clear enough
Bob_ftw
lol. 7 hero team all with tease/CoF/ Psychic Instability. PvE will become epic.
chuckles79
A few points.
First, I've never gone through any of the ZM/ZB's as fast with heroes as I have with a good human team.
Second, the only req. for a good team is 2 healers of any type (resto rit or monk) and...that's it. You can go all rangers from that point and have a very reasonable expectation of success.
Oh yes, I prefer the meta wiki team(s). 2 monks (one HB, the other UA), an imba (me), an SoS rit, 1 tank who isn't stupid, a second melee frontliner, an SS necro, and a Panic Mes.
However I won't sit there spamming GLFM for 2 hours to get it and I feel sorry for those who do.
I did a ZM 2 weeks ago with a guy running himself, 2 para heroes, and Margrid as Pararangers and it worked great.
Having done both PvE and PvP for a long time now, I've seen great players do amazing things with crap builds and players be hopeless with meta.
Last comment, my father who is 60 yo plays GW. He has MGHSoRH (25 titles) and he did it with the same build, same ranger for the last 2.5 years.
First, I've never gone through any of the ZM/ZB's as fast with heroes as I have with a good human team.
Second, the only req. for a good team is 2 healers of any type (resto rit or monk) and...that's it. You can go all rangers from that point and have a very reasonable expectation of success.
Oh yes, I prefer the meta wiki team(s). 2 monks (one HB, the other UA), an imba (me), an SoS rit, 1 tank who isn't stupid, a second melee frontliner, an SS necro, and a Panic Mes.
However I won't sit there spamming GLFM for 2 hours to get it and I feel sorry for those who do.
I did a ZM 2 weeks ago with a guy running himself, 2 para heroes, and Margrid as Pararangers and it worked great.
Having done both PvE and PvP for a long time now, I've seen great players do amazing things with crap builds and players be hopeless with meta.
Last comment, my father who is 60 yo plays GW. He has MGHSoRH (25 titles) and he did it with the same build, same ranger for the last 2.5 years.
Roen
I can't wait to do seven hero teams all with /R secondary and pet builds. Just for the fun of it.
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
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A few points.
First, I've never gone through any of the ZM/ZB's as fast with heroes as I have with a good human team. Second, the only req. for a good team is 2 healers of any type (resto rit or monk) and...that's it. You can go all rangers from that point and have a very reasonable expectation of success. Oh yes, I prefer the meta wiki team(s). 2 monks (one HB, the other UA), an imba (me), an SoS rit, 1 tank who isn't stupid, a second melee frontliner, an SS necro, and a Panic Mes. However I won't sit there spamming GLFM for 2 hours to get it and I feel sorry for those who do. I did a ZM 2 weeks ago with a guy running himself, 2 para heroes, and Margrid as Pararangers and it worked great. Having done both PvE and PvP for a long time now, I've seen great players do amazing things with crap builds and players be hopeless with meta. Last comment, my father who is 60 yo plays GW. He has MGHSoRH (25 titles) and he did it with the same build, same ranger for the last 2.5 years. |
i dont like pugs personally, and i only team up with friends to do harder stuff (not always too hard for me), and the only reason i teamup with random people lately, is to help em with something i can do good, like taxi to consulate docks, or walking to another low lvl place, like i did with someone to ranik, and i even brought him to serenity temple and surmia
hmm, i need to keep an eye on myself not going too offtopic, it seems, but oh well, this cant be that bad
anyway, as i said, i were just talking about human teams ready to do it and do it good and fast
BlackSephir
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There are really no bad builds
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Shadow Form, Frenzy, Sever Artery, Steelfang Slash, Mirrored Stance, Way of the Lotus, Blinding Powder, Healing Signet.
Everyone who says that above build is bad must be a pvp elitist, since there are really no bad builds.