WHY?!?! Does everyone insist on calling anything uninscribable "oldschool"?
Just because it doesn't have an inscription doesn't make it "oldschool"! Think about it. An uninscribable item that dropped in the last few years is newer than my inscribable spear that dropped 4 years ago! Which one is more oldschool? Saying a staff that has a white inherent 20% modifier at the top of the description on it is oldschool is wrong! Oldschool is dual neg mods, +30 enchant max gold shields, 20/20 mods that are both gold and under the req/damage description, max req 8's for the most part, max req7's for all parts.
So... I'm not sure where i'm going with this. I guess this is a rant of sorts and a question of other sorts. I see everyone using the title "oldschool" on things that are most definitely not oldschool. Why don't people simply type uninscribable or uninsc. instead?
Does anyone else notice this?
How do you define Oldschool?
My definition is simple; it no longer drops.
Oldschool/Uninscribable debate
carnage-runner
dansamy
Oldschool refers to how item attributes were rolled prior to the whole inscription thing. It does not refer to a specific period of time, although weapons dropped prior to the current way of assigning an item's attributes on drop can't help but being oldschool because there was no other method of assigning their attributes. Just two days ago I got a shield with +1 to Death magic (15%? I think).
So, to me, oldschool is any of those wacky combinations that we sometimes would see. r9 Heal staff with HCT 20% on Fire skills and HSR 20% on Domination or things like that. Shields with +xx% to a caster magic. Yes, they still drop in Tyria. They're rare. They're even rarer to find a useful one with a perfect +20%.
So, to me, oldschool is any of those wacky combinations that we sometimes would see. r9 Heal staff with HCT 20% on Fire skills and HSR 20% on Domination or things like that. Shields with +xx% to a caster magic. Yes, they still drop in Tyria. They're rare. They're even rarer to find a useful one with a perfect +20%.
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by carnage-runner
My definition is simple; it no longer drops.
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If I can go out and get one to drop right now it is NOT "oldschool" IMO
The "Oldschool Shields" thread comes to mind, not a single "oldschool" in the OP and even after Pleikki pointed out what an "oldschool" shield actually is the thread was filled with mostly things that could have dropped today.
Yes a -5/20 modded shield is better stat wise then a -3/10 but one IS an oldschool and the other is NOT.
jimbo32
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Originally Posted by dansamy
Oldschool refers to how item attributes were rolled prior to the whole inscription thing. It does not refer to a specific period of time, although weapons dropped prior to the current way of assigning an item's attributes on drop can't help but being oldschool because there was no other method of assigning their attributes.
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Whether you like it or not, that's the widely accepted definition. Since the word "oldschool" as it relates to GuildWars is a player-defined term, the most widely accepted definition is the one that matters. And when I say "widely accepted", I'm not just talking about the unwashed masses that came along post-NF who long-time GW players like to look down their noses at. I mean that it's generally accepted by nearly everyone to mean "drops from Tyria and Cantha that have an inherent mod rather than an inscription slot".
carnage-runner
Drops from Tyria and Cantha are Uninscribable. Drops from EotN and Elona are inscribable. That's the difference between those drops. Uninscribable drops have been changed over time. Meaning the possible drops from uninscribable items has been altered. What is oldschool about things that are new? I'm just annoyed when I see Oldschool everwhere.. If a thread says oldschool I expect to see things that were only dropping in 05 and early 06. Pre Factions. I guess it's just annoying. The staff thing bugs me a lot. They are uninscribable. Nothing about them is oldschool.
I guess if oldschool is going to be over used and misused like it is then we should think up a name for inscribable weapons. Maybe something unoriginal like "new school" ?
I guess if oldschool is going to be over used and misused like it is then we should think up a name for inscribable weapons. Maybe something unoriginal like "new school" ?
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by jimbo32
I mean that it's generally accepted by nearly everyone to mean "drops from Tyria and Cantha that have an inherent mod rather than an inscription slot".
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I'm such a dead ender that I don't include cantha drops as "oldschool" but thats just me wishing they had never added that craphole. errrr expansion
on a side note;
How many of you were with us trying to explain how badly the whole inscription crap was going to ruin the rare/collectable aspect of GWs that some of us freaks actually enjoyed?
o m g pizowned
I consider something that doesn't drop any longer nerfed, not oldschool. I do see where you guys are coming from, but I'm with the percentage that calls non-insc things oldschool. simply because I take inscriptions as being new, they were added to the game later
jimbo32
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on a side note;
How many of you were with us trying to explain how badly the whole inscription crap was going to ruin the rare/collectable aspect of GWs that some of us freaks actually enjoyed? |
Malice Black
Oldschool to me is the big buck items of the golden age. While not many of these are worth shit nowadays, they are a reminder of when getting a gold drop was somewhat exciting. You'd get that req9 choas axe in FoW praying it was a 15^50, but you'd settle for 15% stance or 15% enchanted.
These days it's just ID then sell to the merch if it isn't one of the few 'vanity' skins not yet quite been over farmed.
These days it's just ID then sell to the merch if it isn't one of the few 'vanity' skins not yet quite been over farmed.
Pleikki
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
Eventho im one of few who gets annoyed by using the word oldschool on just stuff. Imo oldschool is someting no longer possible get, so normal NON INSCRI shields aint oldsq unless they got nerfed req/Mods :P |
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_Todeshand_
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Originally Posted by carnage-runner
Why don't people simply type uninscribable or uninsc. instead?
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obastable
I always thought "nerfed" was more appropriate for things that don't and/or can't drop anymore. Old school is like old fashioned, original style, etc., etc.. like the skateboards out in my garage.
You can still buy new ones, exactly like the ones I used 20 years ago, but they're considered "old school" as compared to the newer deck shape.
You can still buy new ones, exactly like the ones I used 20 years ago, but they're considered "old school" as compared to the newer deck shape.
Sir Cusfreak
calling every change in the game a 'nerf' is just as annoying, or worse than calling every uninscribable an 'oldschool'.
'nerf' weakens things down, lowers it, softens it up. Like the change that was made to staves, that killed the oldschool 10/10s and added 20% HSR to every max staff...that is as far from a nerf as one can get. The end of r7 max, that was a nerf. But all the traders calling the old-style staves "pre-nerf" is just as rediculous. (pssst...Staves didn't get nerfed, they got buffed.)
But trying to get people to change any established term, however incorrect or inaccurate, is like talking to a wall, because it makes dumbasses think they are engaged in 'leetspeek' for whatever dumbass reason.
Its like these dipshits that call every Essence of Celerity a "BU". Its stupid enough to make my eyes bleed from viewing it, but it's too late now, because lazy ass kids are not going to bother trying to type it, much less put forth the effort to actually understand it.
Get off my lawn.
'nerf' weakens things down, lowers it, softens it up. Like the change that was made to staves, that killed the oldschool 10/10s and added 20% HSR to every max staff...that is as far from a nerf as one can get. The end of r7 max, that was a nerf. But all the traders calling the old-style staves "pre-nerf" is just as rediculous. (pssst...Staves didn't get nerfed, they got buffed.)
But trying to get people to change any established term, however incorrect or inaccurate, is like talking to a wall, because it makes dumbasses think they are engaged in 'leetspeek' for whatever dumbass reason.
Its like these dipshits that call every Essence of Celerity a "BU". Its stupid enough to make my eyes bleed from viewing it, but it's too late now, because lazy ass kids are not going to bother trying to type it, much less put forth the effort to actually understand it.
Get off my lawn.
Pleikki
Well Kinda staffs didnt get buff or nerf, just one inherent modifier added and one changable modifier removed, Old staves also were able be 20/20 ones now, But also were able have 10% Hsr even tho cant figure single use for that when the current inher is 20hsr all
VAge Japie
Oldschool and ''uninsc.'' are both dumb stuff imo. I mean why would you prefer a 15^50 ''oldschool'' weapon over a 15^50 insc. weapon?
I sometimes see people saying ''WTS r9 15^50 OLDSCHOOL *weapon X* bla bla ONLY 50 ecto's!!''... and then I'm like: ''Dude it's just the same weapon that the guy over there is selling for 5k, except that YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE HIS weapon(= better, IMO)''.
I sometimes see people saying ''WTS r9 15^50 OLDSCHOOL *weapon X* bla bla ONLY 50 ecto's!!''... and then I'm like: ''Dude it's just the same weapon that the guy over there is selling for 5k, except that YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE HIS weapon(= better, IMO)''.
o m g pizowned
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Originally Posted by VAge Japie
Oldschool and ''uninsc.'' are both dumb stuff imo. I mean why would you prefer a 15^50 ''oldschool'' weapon over a 15^50 insc. weapon?
I sometimes see people saying ''WTS r9 15^50 OLDSCHOOL *weapon X* bla bla ONLY 50 ecto's!!''... and then I'm like: ''Dude it's just the same weapon that the guy over there is selling for 5k, except that YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE HIS weapon(= better, IMO)''. |
VAge Japie
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Originally Posted by o m g pizowned
Why would I want a weapon that every other person in gw has? Some people like rarity.
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Pleikki
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Originally Posted by VAge Japie
Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?
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carnage-runner
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Originally Posted by VAge Japie
Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?
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Also with the staves.... the 20% BUFF they got is definately a buff... the old 10/10 mods were cool but the new school 20/10 staves are much better.
o m g pizowned
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Originally Posted by VAge Japie
Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?
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Good? What is wrong with 15>50, or +5energy? I don't ever need another damage mod and if I do I'd rather have multiple skins. Makes things more interesting.
helloeveryone
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Originally Posted by VAge Japie
Why would you want a weapon that is BAD but ''rare'', instead of the weapon that is GOOD but more common?
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"old school" to me means uninscri and it is a way of telling potential buyer that is not inscri+slightly harder to drop as 15^50 that might cost you a little more plats
carnage-runner
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Originally Posted by helloeveryone
because it could sell for more? because in PVE inherent mod does not really matter that much but looking good matters. If i want to play a game that is challenging and not graphically attractive, i would play pac-man, completing it is more challenging than holding halls
"old school" to me means uninscri and it is a way of telling potential buyer that is not inscri+slightly harder to drop as 15^50 that might cost you a little more plats |
obastable
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Originally Posted by carnage-runner
What's the opposite of inscribable? not inscribable. What is the suffix that you would use? "un" uninscribable. If something is not believable you say it is unbelievable...
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Raven Wing
The uninscribable versions with inherited mod came first. Then came the inscribable ones. That´s why I think of it as oldschool style. Today you can have brand new food, clothing etc etc that´s made in oldfashioned style and as such is different to modern style versions of the same things. Same with weapons and items in GW. They can have dropped today and still be in the old style. The prenerfed items mentioned here I would rather call genuine antiques or something like that.
sixdartbart
ok a question for the people saying uniscribed = "oldschool"
would that same logic make this an "oldschool SPEAR" ?
would that same logic make this an "oldschool SPEAR" ?
obastable
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Originally Posted by sixdartbart
ok a question for the people saying uniscribed = "oldschool"
would that same logic make this an "oldschool SPEAR" ? |
Why?
Simple.
It bears the construction of "original" (prophecies) weapons .... even if that construction may be the result of a bug.
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by obastable
I'd still call it oldschool.
Why? Simple. It bears the construction of "original" (prophecies) weapons .... even if that construction may be the result of a bug. |
interesting
I will agree with one point.
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Originally Posted by obastable
Simple.
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o m g pizowned
you all are confusing no longer dropping with oldschool.
something no longer dropping is nerfed 'imo'
^ i'm enjoying people getting mad about this, you can call it whatever you want, there is no correct answer lol
something no longer dropping is nerfed 'imo'
^ i'm enjoying people getting mad about this, you can call it whatever you want, there is no correct answer lol
Avatar Exico
Oldschool I would say, is double neg shields. Magmas shield -2/-3 awhile hexed be consider oldschool, one is that Double negative shields don't drop anymore and depends on skin of item. Don't see many perfect Crude Shields much anymore.
Cleavage
Im inclined to agree with Joe (omg pizoned) , sorry Chris.
I would also agree with sixgunbart about the 15% inherent Spear and would consider it old school because "inherent" is old school while "inscribable" is new.
I cant wait till all the nice Mausoleum items become household knowledge. Anything perfect from there can be considered extremely rare.
I would also agree with sixgunbart about the 15% inherent Spear and would consider it old school because "inherent" is old school while "inscribable" is new.
I cant wait till all the nice Mausoleum items become household knowledge. Anything perfect from there can be considered extremely rare.
Rushin Roulette
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ok a question for the people saying uniscribed = "oldschool"
would that same logic make this an "oldschool SPEAR" ? |
I see nerfed as an undercategory to oldschool.
For me personally;
oldschool = everything that can not drop any more no matter how old or new it may be (r8 weapons and partially r8 offhands for example)
Nerfed = oldschool stuff for which the code has been changed (ie. double reduction shields, 10/10 staffs, max r7 weapons and offhands etc.)
If Anet suddenly decided to stop BDS or VS drops, then the existing ones would immediately change to the Oldschool category for me even though they are inscribable.
tghoodoo
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I'd still call it oldschool.
Why? Simple. It bears the construction of "original" (prophecies) weapons .... even if that construction may be the result of a bug. |
Pleikki
Ok this came to my mind About the oldschool situation.. Would you ppl call Wintergreen Weapons oldschool or nerfed? Well personally i never seen anyone use either of those for em, But techically its oldschool, and it rly wasnt nerf it was just one time change get those weapons in 2006..
o m g pizowned
wintergreen weapon, to me = inscription, so not oldschool. i guess you could consider it 'nerfed' but it really wasn't taken out of the game. they weren't something that dropped or were available to everyone
Yawgmoth
Personally I always liked to call the uninscribable weapons *Original*, because that's exactly how they feel, as opposed to lame do-it-yourself clones. This term would also fit the newly found drops in the Mausoleum. But that word never caught up.
So we're left with the "oldschool" word, which for me means "the way they used to be in the good old days" - it's NOT just the items that cannot drop anymore - those need another word, like in some cases nerfed (the grand req. nerf, unconditionals nerf, dual reduction shield nerf, staves "nerf"), or limited like wintergreens or ) but the problem with "oldschool" is it's really really strange way to call a Scythe that dropped in the Mausoleum.
So we're left with the "oldschool" word, which for me means "the way they used to be in the good old days" - it's NOT just the items that cannot drop anymore - those need another word, like in some cases nerfed (the grand req. nerf, unconditionals nerf, dual reduction shield nerf, staves "nerf"), or limited like wintergreens or ) but the problem with "oldschool" is it's really really strange way to call a Scythe that dropped in the Mausoleum.
superraptors
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ok a question for the people saying uniscribed = "oldschool"
would that same logic make this an "oldschool SPEAR" ? |
Hobbs
I'd agree with the camp that says weapons that don't drop anymore are "nerfed" or "prenerf" while weapons that drop in the style of the older games are Old School.
I mean, when you talk about "Old School" fashion you talk about clothes that were around in the old days. Some of these clothes are still manufactured but the style is still "Old School".
I mean, when you talk about "Old School" fashion you talk about clothes that were around in the old days. Some of these clothes are still manufactured but the style is still "Old School".
Kabong
Ya, jeez, Joe is right about everything. Nothing like having the wave of gentlemanly leisure wash over you to instill proper perspective on such pedantic semantic piddlings.
So that I wil have cast an official vote and not get banned:
Inscribable = crap, no matter when or where it dropped, and regardless of skin. Just crap.
Uninscribable = no inscription hole, no matter when or where it dropped.
Oldschool = item from tyria or cantha with a skin that existed before nightfall and no inscription hole.
Nerfed = can't drop anymore, whether it's inscribable or not.
Obviously this may not be waterproof, but this is an effective framework for describing most items.
None of this matters. If you indulge in uninscribable hammers you understand everything without having it all spoonfed to you. If you dont see the overwhelming beauty of hammers you are unlikely to comprehend.
If you have any questions get an oldschool hammer and go sit under a tree. Gentlemanly leisure will enlighten you.
So that I wil have cast an official vote and not get banned:
Inscribable = crap, no matter when or where it dropped, and regardless of skin. Just crap.
Uninscribable = no inscription hole, no matter when or where it dropped.
Oldschool = item from tyria or cantha with a skin that existed before nightfall and no inscription hole.
Nerfed = can't drop anymore, whether it's inscribable or not.
Obviously this may not be waterproof, but this is an effective framework for describing most items.
None of this matters. If you indulge in uninscribable hammers you understand everything without having it all spoonfed to you. If you dont see the overwhelming beauty of hammers you are unlikely to comprehend.
If you have any questions get an oldschool hammer and go sit under a tree. Gentlemanly leisure will enlighten you.
Jason Xll
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Obviously this may not be waterproof, but this is an effective framework for describing most items.
None of this matters. If you indulge in uninscribable hammers you understand everything without having it all spoonfed to you. If you dont see the overwhelming beauty of hammers you are unlikely to comprehend. If you have any questions get an oldschool hammer and go sit under a tree. Gentlemanly leisure will enlighten you. |
Although the vast amalgamation of hammers you have accumulated is rather impressive, if not unparalleled in the entire Guild Wars paradigm, I must say that this plethora of blunt contraptions does not merit such idolisation and is but a mere fraction of the rara aves to be beheld in in the game.
Gentlemanly leisure can only be attained through perseverance and prolonged abstinence from gaming whilst your storage awaits your return with a generous, ectoplasmic embrace, or through incessant loitering in a long-abandoned corner of Tyria such as the Ice Tooth Cave...
Adieu.
RedDog91
Most people in-game categorize uninscribable weapons as old-school. And by most, I mean basically everyone except the few people in this thread who disagrees.
You can't change the way they think, just roll with it. It's just a word that describes an item that doesn't even exist in your real life...using the word won't hurt you.
You can't change the way they think, just roll with it. It's just a word that describes an item that doesn't even exist in your real life...using the word won't hurt you.