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that they bring up the cat ears and that it is not related to anime(some stupid controversy that arose in the forum), and that they are talking about top hats, (something that has been suggested on these forums) shows that they are paying attention to the community here. I never expected them to lurk as much as they are doing...

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Definitely going to be Gwen and Thackeray, they have a descendant in the Ghosts of Ascalon novel so it makes sense. It's not said outright that it's Gwen's line as well but the description fit pretty well. It's cool that we've gotten to see so much development for her.

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that they bring up the cat ears and that it is not related to anime(some stupid controversy that arose in the forum), and that they are talking about top hats, (something that has been suggested on these forums) shows that they are paying attention to the community here. I never expected them to lurk as much as they are doing...
they know more about their community than you'd think.

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Definitely going to be Gwen and Thackeray, they have a descendant in the Ghosts of Ascalon novel so it makes sense. It's not said outright that it's Gwen's line as well but the description fit pretty well. It's cool that we've gotten to see so much development for her.
Err that isnt the only descendant we can count on you know. dont forget the emperor has to have one since his's is going to mess with stuff too.

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No, Winds of Change isn't about Shiro returning. XD It's an entirely new storyline.

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No, Winds of Change isn't about Shiro returning. XD It's an entirely new storyline.

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Thank God, added to the OP

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Definitely going to be Gwen and Thackeray, they have a descendant in the Ghosts of Ascalon novel so it makes sense. It's not said outright that it's Gwen's line as well but the description fit pretty well. It's cool that we've gotten to see so much development for her.
Emperor Kisu has some descendants that need to come to be too, you know.
As far as we know, it could turn out that Gwen and Keiren had a 1 night gig before he left for Kryta. She did kind of run into the city crying after him. It could turn out that he never returns and she takes his last name in honor of him and to give her child last name (considering she appears to not have one).

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Don't get confused, it doesn't mean the Cantha Chapter will happen soon, only the return of Thackeray/the Wedding.
Its already mid November, so itll likely be in order of:

1. Thackerays return + Wedding Costume Set

2. Winterday + New Winterday Costume Set

3. GW:Beyond Cantha Chapter + Costume Set

...
They made it sound like the Canthan chapter is coming sooner than that, but you're most likely right.

I wish these all didn't cost money. I understand the desire for Anet to capitalize on costumes, especially considering that they make so much, but I'm just not interested in paying real-life money for costumes. But, like someone else said earlier, I guess money comes before community right now.

At least other games give you the chance to earn cash shop items with in-game items/money.

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No, Winds of Change isn't about Shiro returning. XD It's an entirely new storyline.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:John_Stumme
LOL, never heard of Haruhiism before....

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At least other games give you the chance to earn cash shop items with in-game items/money.
...or require you to pay real money // farm in-game like mad just to stay on par with those who can afford cash shop items.

Although i'd like a costume or two available after a chain of quests, it's actually quite fine the way it is, as long as costumes provide no real bonus.

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...or require you to pay real money // farm in-game like mad just to stay on par with those who can afford cash shop items.

Although i'd like a costume or two available after a chain of quests, it's actually quite fine the way it is, as long as costumes provide no real bonus.
That's a good point. At least they're not giving costumes in-game bonuses.

However, many games do allow certain, difficult to attain in-game items to trade for costumes. I'd be down for that. It'd be like the Pet Unlock Pack. I'm sure they've made plenty off of that, even though you could unlock every pet in-game without it.

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LOL, never heard of Haruhiism before....


Kyon's Calculation:
1. "Haruhi is, or She is not"
2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.
4. You must wager. It is not optional.
5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that Haruhi is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
6. Wager, then, without hesitation that She is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

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Thanks, my brain now has to have a rape kit applied to it and file a report to the police...

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However, many games do allow certain, difficult to attain in-game items to trade for costumes. I'd be down for that. It'd be like the Pet Unlock Pack. I'm sure they've made plenty off of that, even though you could unlock every pet in-game without it.
Would be nice if there was an ingame way to earn at least some of the older costumes, like the long out-of-fashion Dwayna/Grenth costumes as an elite reward for some Wintersday2010 content. Because otherwise the costumes could just aswell not exist at all for me, I'd never pay real $$ for some pixels.

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At least they're not giving costumes in-game bonuses.
And that would be a good reason to quit the game and never look back.

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I find the price for all the costumes outweighing the cost for all the guild wars games disturbing.

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While I'd hoped that the seals which had weakened were actually binding Menzies, I doubt that at this point... :-\

Could be Emperor Singtah though... He really strikes me as a Canthan parallel to Thorn at this point... What with the sociopathic tyranny thing and the whole uprising and burning and whatnot...

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i never did like the way you had to pay for costumes which the only benefit is its looks. i can understand them needing money to keep gw1 running and help make gw2. but you would think they would get that from all the new people joing each day.

anyway i hope this new content wont be so short like WiK was. i mean really if you grinded a tiny bit you could finish it in a day, not counting the new bounties we get each day. and if its thackerys/gwen's weddning then wouldnt we have to find him first?

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Just read the whole interview. Wow that looks just pathetic. They're just clearly concentrating on EASY ways to drain $$ out of a dying game instead of making it better and then making profits out of it. Just see how long we wait for the derv skill update or some improvements and new map for HA (3 years?). But ofcourse it's far easier to add 2 new models to the game and make people pay for it the price of 1/4 of a full game expansion.

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"top hats." With that, I think the single greatest need of the Guild Wars community has at long last been fulfilled.
O.M.F.G.

I'd guess that the single greatest need for the GW community was an Auction House (or any other automated trading system, Xunlai Marketplace or something), since even before day 1. Yes, Anet really listens to the community... although given how many players actually buy all the costumes crap for their glorified 3d chat I've lost my hopes in this community completely.

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I find the price for all the costumes outweighing the cost for all the guild wars games disturbing.
I count 30 bucks worth of costumes. The games when they were released were like 40-50 bucks. So far the costumes dont cost as much as a single expansion.

I do hope that after or around wintersday the grenth/dwyana become available for a discounted price. To me, spending 10 bucks every 3-6 months is a drop in the bucket for a game I play religiously. It gives you no ingame advantage, helps pay for new content, and is completely optional. And honestly, 10 bucks isnt that big a deal. Get a paper route or mow some lawns or something, done.

As for the new title, Cantha: Winds of Change, it makes me think the Jade Sea will turn back into water. Although I know that will never happen. Its probably just a reference to the change of command structure and philosophy in Cantha.

New wedding costumes before Wintersday? I got my money on Thackery and Gwen.

And the someone else that wants to return to Tyria is obviously meant to be Lich. But, there could easily be a number of old foes trying to escape as well. Its not like Lich and the Mad King are the only ones stuck in the underworld.

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They can write a whole webpage on costumes and other BS but is it too hard to ask for a god damn Dervish update....or even the DETAILS?

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I count 30 bucks worth of costumes.
Then you should start counting the costumes that are scheduled to come out as well which is what this thread is about.

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The games when they were released were like 40-50 bucks. So far the costumes dont cost as much as a single expansion.
They created something called the trilogy, it gives you a deal on buying all 3 games, I hope I'm not going too fast for you.

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I do hope that after or around wintersday the grenth/dwyana become available for a discounted price. To me, spending 10 bucks every 3-6 months is a drop in the bucket for a game I play religiously. It gives you no ingame advantage, helps pay for new content, and is completely optional. And honestly, 10 bucks isnt that big a deal. Get a paper route or mow some lawns or something, done.
While I don't disagree with costume selling that much, I do think they've lost sight of the in-game reward track for players in these events. The content itself could use original rewards. And by original I mean a head turner, not another weapon or mini and such in a game where we've had that kind of pay off for years and no one cares. Like they're doing this many costumes for money and they can't do even one piece of event earned costume or something so far? It's kind of sad, and I admit I play it strictly for the story now expecting the rewards to be a total bummer.

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Am I the only one that thinks tuxedos are pointless if you're a mesmer?
all their armors are suits...

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They can write a whole webpage on costumes and other BS but is it too hard to ask for a god damn Dervish update....or even the DETAILS?
no one likes dervs and i think they are distracting us with shinies. But yea.. i think if they tried to fix dervs coding it would work like the xunlai tourney house... too many bugs to fix so they'd give us 5 weeks or something and then delete dervs from the game. So no update> fail codeing

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no one likes dervs and i think they are distracting us with shinies. But yea.. i think if they tried to fix dervs coding it would work like the xunlai tourney house... too many bugs to fix so they'd give us 5 weeks or something and then delete dervs from the game. So no update> fail codeing
Slow your roll there cheif i want to keep the elite avatars but on subject top hat? Dwayna you habe answered my hopes lol

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Am I the only one that thinks tuxedos are pointless if you're a mesmer?
all their armors are suits...
I'm sorry, but the words "pointless" and "tuxedo" just do not mix with me.

There is never a time when having a tux is pointless.

You, sir, are rather silly for thinking so.

If I had a glove with me, I would demand satisfaction.

Till then, I bid you farewell.

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Then you should start counting the costumes that are scheduled to come out as well which is what this thread is about.
They created something called the trilogy, it gives you a deal on buying all 3 games, I hope I'm not going too fast for you.
If your comparing prices of the new costumes and a 5 year old game, then there are alot of holes in that arguement. Maybe you should slow down and think about it.

@IlikeGW

I agree, I would like better rewards as well. Thats one of the reasons I bought the costumes. Besides the fact that they look so shiny, they help fund improvements to the game.

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If your comparing prices of the new costumes and a 5 year old game, then there are alot of holes in that arguement. Maybe you should slow down and think about it.
That's the logic I don't understand in you're post, you think anet is going to discount the costumes like they did the game, but with gw2 impending arrival in less than a year they don't have the leisure or 5 years to think about creating a discount. The current system is buy both costumes at release and be rewarded with a discount not the other way around.

My original stance doesn't change, the total cost for all the costumes equaling more than the total for all 3 games reflects anets priority's and opinion on the community's intelligence if they believe people think this novelty for content is worth the price people pay/time they spend making it.

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A few buck for a couple costumes that I might be interested in every few months is cheaper than how much I'd be paying to play a subscription based game. Microtransactions are likely footing the bill for the WiK/WoC content.

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Microtransactions are likely footing the bill for the WiK/WoC content.
I believe this to be the case. Unfortunately I don't have the source to back this up, but I think Linsey said a majority of the GW staff's income comes from DLC.

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My original stance doesn't change, the total cost for all the costumes equaling more than the total for all 3 games reflects anets priority's and opinion on the community's intelligence if they believe people think this novelty for content is worth the price people pay/time they spend making it.
So? People pay for it right?

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A few buck for a couple costumes that I might be interested in every few months is cheaper than how much I'd be paying to play a subscription based game. Microtransactions are likely footing the bill for the WiK/WoC content.
That's another thing if the high price for costumes really is footing the bill for this new content then I expect a higher quality, I know you’re so used to being fed shit you’ve acquired a taste for it but I don’t’ want to see another TL;DR quest after they’ve already admitted in gw2 interviews that conveying quests in that way is a failed system, I mean I would rather see them pull a random hobo off the streets to do some voice acting for this new content. They have the technology lets see them use it for once.

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I believe this to be the case. Unfortunately I don't have the source to back this up, but I think Linsey said a majority of the GW staff's income comes from DLC.
I highly doubt this. The Live Team is not a "sales position". Stating it this way you are implying that their paychecks are dependent on the amount of sales they generate. Pretty sure that wasn't your intent, but it's how it came off.

NCSoft is who is funding ArenaNet. They have from the start.

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I highly doubt this. The Live Team is not a "sales position". Stating it this way you are implying that their paychecks are dependent on the amount of sales they generate. Pretty sure that wasn't your intent, but it's how it came off.

NCSoft is who is funding ArenaNet. They have from the start.
Welp, that's what I get for posting right after waking up. I guess "budget" was the right word? So out of curiosity, where does the DLC money end up?

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That's another thing if the high price for costumes really is footing the bill for this new content then I expect a higher quality, I know you’re so used to being fed shit you’ve acquired a taste for it but I don’t’ want to see another TL;DR quest after they’ve already admitted in gw2 interviews that conveying quests in that way is a failed system, I mean I would rather see them pull a random hobo off the streets to do some voice acting for this new content. They have the technology lets see them use it for once.
I pointed out the flaws in this thinking in another thread, but...the main limit on their resources are the number of people still working on GW1. The live team has like seven people, according to GWW. One programmer, a couple of designers, a producer, and two QA people. That is an insanely small number. I showed my boyfriend, who is a game designer, and he was shocked that they're able to create any new content or updates with so few people.

They have the technology for GW2. That doesn't mean that they have the ability or means to do that for GW1, especially with only a few people still working on it. Quests will be done differently in GW2, but it's likely not possible to change that for GW1 now, since they are programmed differently. Voice acting for new content requires localization into other languages and lip syncing that as well. These are long, drawn-out processes, especially with so few people working on it; do you really want to wait an extra six months for Canthan content for a new voiced character? Somehow I doubt it. I sure don't.

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^^^ Pretty much everything Verene said

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I highly doubt this. The Live Team is not a "sales position". Stating it this way you are implying that their paychecks are dependent on the amount of sales they generate. Pretty sure that wasn't your intent, but it's how it came off.

NCSoft is who is funding ArenaNet. They have from the start.
How would ArenaNet justify creating new content to their NCSoft publisher if they didn't have some means of income to pay for people working on that project? Box sales aren't enough these days and they haven't put out a new box since Eye of the North.

Ninja Ninja do I understand correctly that you want ArenaNet to try to implement GW2 tech in GW1 or are you just disappointed that there were no VO cutscenes in WiK? Also, "I know you’re so used to being fed shit you’ve acquired a taste for" is a bit presumptuous.

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I pointed out the flaws in this thinking in another thread, but...the main limit on their resources are the number of people still working on GW1. The live team has like seven people, according to GWW. One programmer, a couple of designers, a producer, and two QA people. That is an insanely small number. I showed my boyfriend, who is a game designer, and he was shocked that they're able to create any new content or updates with so few people.

They have the technology for GW2. That doesn't mean that they have the ability or means to do that for GW1, especially with only a few people still working on it. Quests will be done differently in GW2, but it's likely not possible to change that for GW1 now, since they are programmed differently. Voice acting for new content requires localization into other languages and lip syncing that as well. These are long, drawn-out processes, especially with so few people working on it; do you really want to wait an extra six months for Canthan content for a new voiced character? Somehow I doubt it. I sure don't.
And here I thought they would actually take presumably the last gw1 content directly affecting the future to gw2 seriously.

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Ninja Ninja do I understand correctly that you want ArenaNet to try to implement GW2 tech in GW1 or are you just disappointed that there were no VO cutscenes in WiK? Also, "I know you’re so used to being fed shit you’ve acquired a taste for" is a bit presumptuous.
I was only referring to how they did the original content which included VO cutsences, this game keeps going downhill in quality and I know people are so desperate for new content that whatever anet makes they will still be thankful but its not wrong to promote/encourage a better game

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And here I thought they would actually take presumably the last gw1 content directly affecting the future to gw2 seriously.
Where do you get the idea that they aren't? Considering what they have to work with, they're doing a pretty damn good job. New content that contains different spawns, new areas (Lion's Arch Keep is a small area, but it's still a new explorable, and the Canthan content is supposedly going to have a new explorable as well), new weapon skins...while working on skill updates, new festival quests (even if they weren't hugely in-depth), and bug fixes and the like...

That is not a small amount of work for a team three times the size of the one that is working on GW1. For the size of the current live team, that is a massive workload, and while it's a bit disappointing that things like skill updates keep getting delayed/not released and there's no real news on them, on the other hand, with the amount that's on their plate? There are only so many hours in the day and so much that can be worked on at one time.

Not to mention that the live team members can't all necessarily work on the same things at once. The designers aren't going to be programming, the programmer isn't going to be designing. They're two completely different processes and while one may know the basics of the other, they won't necessarily have the knowledge and skill required to go "Okay, today I'll program AI instead of designing that quest or rigging this model", or vice versa.

In short, most people have very, very little idea how much work goes into this sort of thing, and how insane it is that the team is so small. Waiting sucks, but to say that they aren't taking it seriously and don't care because new stuff takes a while is downright insulting.