Put in a Resurrect

Bubba

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Netherlands

port sledge snow cones [COLD]

I pretty much suck at gw and am lazy as hell when it comes to knowing what skills to use in what mission, but in these new quests you practically get it handed to you on a silver platter. There's nothing difficult about it. On the first character I didn't even realize to specifically target the mantles Miku marked in the first quest and I still won.

If you ask me, these quests are just fine. They're fun and challenging enough as they are without being tedious.

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

I can't believe people are actually complaining about the missions being too hard. Keiran is the most overpowered thing in Guild Wars since SoS. He and Miku basically become invincible with his healing skill, as long as you keep using it. Then he has infinite energy with his sexy 20 expertise, and he is also a beast with 20 marksmanship. Not to mention at his disposal is also the OHKO sniper shot, a super barrage, the best interrupt bow skill IN THE ENTIRE GAME which gives a nearly-free deep wound, an awesome condition removal that is actually also offensive AND inflicts poison, and powerful KD. People mean to tell me they are actually having problems? Or that they need a res shrine? I'm sorry, but any reason to fail is silly. Unless you're still learning the missions, this is something that anyone should breeze through.

BuD

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by keli View Post
WTS Rotwing Recurve Bow 500g!

lol

Give it a week or two & Rotwings Recurve will be like Claws of the BroodMother lol

Whirl E Vic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

D/

I did find the spirit spammer Peacekeepers a bit tougher. I think I got a group with a para (Miku - stance = dead) and one of the SoS peacekeepers. Once the sin "pet" went down, I died before I even realized what was going on. Second try, piece of cake.

So as usual, watch aggro, pay attention and you'll be fine. .

joea64

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Northern VA, USA

Above and Beyond Duty (Duty)

Rt/Mo

Quite right. I've done the second quest now on my warrior and ritualist, aced it the first time on each. I'm getting better at combining Sniper Shot with Miku's "Promise of Death" though I still misaim sometimes. One thing that helps is to maneuver so that Miku is leading off and takes the aggro first, so that you can target enemies at your leisure. I also like to use the barrage skill as a leadoff, then switch to Sniper Shot on whichever enemy Miku has tagged. Furthermore, I've found that getting the high ground whenever possible seems to help a bit, as the enemy has to charge uphill to get at you.

Of course, it's crucial to use the interrupt on the enemies with resurrect skills (e.g., White Mantle Champions and Knights), but since their rezzes are slow-charging you can generally cut them off well before they finish activating them. You just need to stay alert to what they're doing.

To recapitulate, based on my experience during the first two quests:

1) Engage only one group of three/four at a time, and take your time. Rushing these quests is a sure way to fail.
2) Try to Sniper Shot whomever Miku marks with Promise of Death.
3) Spam your interrupt, heal and condition-removal skills.
4) Interrupt the rezzers and kill them first whenever possible.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

Read the skills, died the first time, realized I was an idiot and beat it easily the second.

I do wish Miku would call her targets though.

P.S. 20 Expertise is imba. Might as well not even have energy cost on the skills.

EDIT: This instance of Rotscale count for ZQ?

joea64

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Northern VA, USA

Above and Beyond Duty (Duty)

Rt/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by FengShuiDove View Post
Read the skills, died the first time, realized I was an idiot and beat it easily the second.

I do wish Miku would call her targets though.
She does. Sniper shot whomever she puts Promise of Death on. "I'm using Promise of Death on (insert hapless fellow here)!"

LordDragon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2010

Dragons Den

E/

Another tactic is to one shot and run. That is also a great way to solo Rotscale's bone dragon minions. Just one shot the intended target with Keiran's first skill and hope for a 900 damage shot. If not, run away! Rinse and Repeat.

That alone makes it super easy.

Or, as others have said, watch Miku and who gets hexed while only agroing one group at a time. I have had some close calls with firebrand+healer group but still doable.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by joea64 View Post
She does. Sniper shot whomever she puts Promise of Death on. "I'm using Promise of Death on (insert hapless fellow here)!"
No, call target as in "I'm attacking _____!" so that you can instantly target with T. Not look away from field, look at chat log, tab to enemy with hex, use Sniper Shot.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

This is easy the first mission i can complete it in 8mins.... less when i avoids groups, time to go after rotscale.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FengShuiDove View Post
No, call target as in "I'm attacking _____!" so that you can instantly target with T. Not look away from field, look at chat log, tab to enemy with hex, use Sniper Shot.
How easy do you want this?

EDIT: I agree, "T" should work.


Although it is annoying when there are two NPCs of the same name...

which Enforcer did she target? (she doesn't always call on the one she is attacking).

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Rotscale down in 10mins I sniper shot him so many times for 900 it was great....

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordakai View Post
How easy do you want this?
Doesn't make it easier, just more convenient. Or less annoying. Either way. Like I said, the quests themselves are easy. And that's largely avoiding the use of Sniper Shot as I'd rather use the other skills than fumble around with finding her target (who she can usually get to low health while I interrupt whoever I'm on).

Hate it when people assume things, like I want an "easier" time. If targeting is a function you use a lot and get accustomed to, not having it when it would be very useful is just aggravating.

Bandwagon

Bandwagon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2010

D/

The only portion that was difficult for me was the SoS peacekeepers (even with your stance up its rough when Miku doesn't call him). Its still possible to take them down (line of sighting the spirits helps a ton when you can afford to).

My only gripe is that some of the non-patrolling peacekeepers are spawned in such a way that sometimes Miku aggroes 2 groups instead of one, and if one of them features a non-marked rezzer and SoS.... well yeah I don't think the quest was designed to kill 2 groups at once without clever use of game mechanics.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FengShuiDove View Post
Doesn't make it easier, just more convenient. Or less annoying. Either way. Like I said, the quests themselves are easy. And that's largely avoiding the use of Sniper Shot as I'd rather use the other skills than fumble around with finding her target (who she can usually get to low health while I interrupt whoever I'm on).

Hate it when people assume things, like I want an "easier" time. If targeting is a function you use a lot and get accustomed to, not having it when it would be very useful is just aggravating.
I actually agree, since sometimes it's impossible to tell which enemy she called (two enemies with same name, for example).

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isfit View Post
Does not change the fact that it is hard and there should be a resurrect for players not good at solo-content


Unless there's a possibility of failure, it's not a game.

If you could just /headdesk, die, rez, and keep doing it until you got to the end, this wouldn't be a mission -- it would just be an overly-long, drawn-out cutscene/movie.


edit: and yeah, I was wondering why I couldn't hit T and follow her call. I mean, that's what T does, it follows calls. And she's calling. And the call that she's making actually matters (for skill synergy) -- it's the perfect reason to call a target. But I can't use T. I can always use T. But not here! And that's weird.

It's not that I want a free win pass (per my pre-edit comment) but... the first time that an NPC actually tries to use the called-target-follow features of this game, they don't work.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

OK, I agree, we should be able to hit "T".

But no rez, the missions are 10 minutes anyway, there would absolutely be no point to these at all with free rezzes.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

If you want this nerfed I don't know what to say. Look at his attributes he is a one man killing machine.

I am loving this solo quest

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by aspi View Post
If you want this nerfed I don't know what to say. Look at his attributes he is a one man killing machine.

I am loving this solo quest

"Snap, Headshot!"

BoondockSaint

BoondockSaint

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordakai View Post
I actually agree, since sometimes it's impossible to tell which enemy she called (two enemies with same name, for example).
You can tell as they will have the arrow indicating they have a hex on them and there are no other hexes that can be placed. Though the "T" target would be nice.

LordDragon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2010

Dragons Den

E/

C, maybe TAB, maybe another TAB....

Look for the V(down arrow) in purple. Hit it with sniper shot

max of 4 key presses. While the T might be nice it is not really needed. I have played a lot of conditional skill users though. That means I tend to look for the hexed foes.

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

Difficulty seems okay to me. I died once when I got stuck in a tree,couldnt really move and rubberbanded back and forth till i died

Next ranger update add those skills to the expertise line plzthx

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoondockSaint View Post
You can tell as they will have the arrow indicating they have a hex on them and there are no other hexes that can be placed. Though the "T" target would be nice.
Dur, I feel silly now...

Thanks all.

Xiaquin

Xiaquin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2010

[aRIN]

R/

It was really challenging at first, but only because I didn't carefully read the skills. The biggest problem I've felt is the sin being pretty sketchy. She seems to choose her own target, independent of what you call, and at one point I had to kill a mesmer by myself, she didn't even jump in.

I can totally see some people struggling, especially if you've never really played ranger. The best advice, mentioned already, is to pounce on a target that she marks with a hex by using your sniper shot, and spam your interrupt on everything you can. The last two skills need good timing, don't waste them.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Keep in mind that Miku has a smaller aggro circle than Keiran.

Sometimes you need to pull enemies closer to Miku, so she'll attack.

You should always try to have Miku in the center of the action, the minute she dies or loses aggro, I am usually out of there, waiting for her to respawn.

Isfit

Isfit

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Vienna

D/

Ok, I take back everything I said. The quests are pretty easy if you do not play while multitasking 500 things at the same time, so I suppose it does not keep the average player out of the content --> no problem

Just Sai

Just Sai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

aotearoa

Mo/

farmorama with the op toon
i killed rotts so many times, bored now
anyone want a free bow? XD

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

Rotscale is easier than ever!
when is the zb? XD

Bellatrixa

Bellatrixa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2010

Under a blanket drinking tea and being British n_n

Brothers of Other Mother [BoOM]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by afya View Post
Rotscale is easier than ever!
when is the zb? XD
1 December 2010: Rilohn Refuge/Rotscale/Jade Quarry/Sarnia the Red-Handed

;D

drkn

drkn

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2009

Wroc??aw, Poland

Midnight Mayhem

Me/

Quote:
Keep in mind that Miku has a smaller aggro circle than Keiran.

Sometimes you need to pull enemies closer to Miku, so she'll attack.
As weird as it may sound for some, i just use longbow for pulling with 3 (due to quick recharge) or 4 (due to barrage-like effect), then move a few steps back and switch to recurve. Works perfectly to get Miku in the heat of battle and get the most aggro on her.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

First thing, this content is easy. It's trivial in Normal Mode (This isn't really a bad thing). With some decent execution, it's not much different in Hard Mode.

Secondly, adding a res shrine would make death completely meaningless. The way the disguise mechanism works (overrides your max health and energy) would mean Death Penalty would have no effect.
This would need fixing if you were to add the capability for resurrection.

Anakita Snakecharm

Anakita Snakecharm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Shining Blade Camp

Nouvel Ordre de Phoenix [MJM]

R/Mo

I didn't find the content difficult either. I probably have an advantage with it because I always play a Ranger, though, so I'm kind of in the rhythm of that class anyway.

My advice is to know Thackeray's skills and use them wisely, and to remember that a Ranger attacks at range. The melee can take you down quickly if you let them, so if you're getting hit hard, back off and heal, and let Miku do the tanking. Also, terrain matters a lot for Rangers. Bows fire better downhill than uphill, and you won't be effective against an obstructed-view target. Expect that you'll have to change position at times.

I also advise bring your own bow if that's practical for you. As soon as I got into the missions, I switched to my own flatbow-- it has better range than Thackeray's weapon, I'm used to its arc and refire rate, and it has my preferred mods. I suggest grabbing a bow off one of your characters or one of your heroes rather than using the one the game provides.

I enjoyed this content, and I don't think it needs a rez, personally.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Energy and health mods will not work in the solo quests, but armor, damage, and condition-extending mods will. I suggest taking a poisonous bowstring and grip of defense/shelter.

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

IMO they're not that hard, and they encourage people to learn a couple basic skills you really should have by the time you have gotten this far in the game anyways. Like pulling, deciding who to kill first, interrupting key skills (even someone who never plays an interrupt class should know and be able to interrupt res skills and meteor shower), knowing when to retreat, basic skill synergy, attacking called targets (miku destroys blocking and causes conditions that go with your skills), etc....

And, here's a little hint, every encounter with Keiran can be easily beaten by just running away and trying again when things get dangerous, none of the enemies chase you very far and miku will revive on her own whenever she dies. Save your condition removing shot to remove cripple (or better, avoid/kite the enemies that cause it) and be mindful of when your healing skill runs out. At the very least you'll eventually snipe them down. You'd be surprised how many players never even consider running away as an option until it's far too late to do so.

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
I suggest taking a poisonous bowstring
IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME SORT OF EASILY ACQUIRED BOW WITH POISONOUS STRING!!!.....
o wait...the dead turkey has one

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDog91 View Post
IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME SORT OF EASILY ACQUIRED BOW WITH POISONOUS STRING!!!.....
o wait...the dead turkey has one
That easily acquired bow also has health and energy mods. Not exactly what I was describing.

Not like a poisonous bowstring is rare or anything...

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

...it was a joke
O___O

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Oh, and also, watch for patrols. If you keep your eye on patrols (and run away if a patrol is coming at you and you're already in a fight) you will almost never fight more than 3 enemies at once.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Necromas View Post
Oh, and also, watch for patrols. If you keep your eye on patrols (and run away if a patrol is coming at you and you're already in a fight) you will almost never fight more than 3 enemies at once.
How do people even get to this quest not knowing GW basics though? I think Anet should do the opposite of putting a res, they should give your character permadeath if you fail these quests more than 5 times. It's for the better of us all, that we never have to PUG with shepherded-through players that don't know wtf.

Voodoo Rage

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by LordDragon View Post
Another tactic is to one shot and run. That is also a great way to solo Rotscale's bone dragon minions. Just one shot the intended target with Keiran's first skill and hope for a 900 damage shot. If not, run away! Rinse and Repeat.
That's what I did and it worked great. Switching to a longbow or flatbow helps too. Once you are down to just Rotscale, you can go ahead and engage fully since Miku seems to hold her own against him just fine. First time I ever killed him too!