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Sytherek

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21 Nov 2010 at 02:19 - 1

From what I see in the other threads, it looks like many people (like me) think Thackeray should have run off with Miku, leaving Gwen to continue her shrewish existence at the Eye of the North.

After talking about how she needs to grow and change... well, to avoid spoilers, I'll just say that her response to Thackeray's proposal is childish and rude -- and a bit domineering.

On the other hand, I run her as a Domination Mesmer, so...

As it is, I regret helping Thackeray go "home" -- he deserves better than the Shrew of the North.

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21 Nov 2010 at 02:27 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

he deserves better than the Shrew of the North.

I 1000% agree.

Plus she went from, "Pish, Kieran can shove off." To, "Hmm." To, "He's hurt?" To "OMG ILU!"

Meh.

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21 Nov 2010 at 02:29 - 3

I thought she was at least semi joking. It didn't seem to me like she was being 100% serious.

Some people act sarcastic because it's hard to voice the depth of their feelings, and if the other partner actually wants them, presumably that other partner understands what's going on with the sarcasm.

To me Gwen and Thackeray were just acting like two soldiers who are more used to fighting wars than talking about their emotions.

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21 Nov 2010 at 02:34 - 4

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Originally Posted by Anakita Snakecharm

To me Gwen and Thackeray were just acting like two soldiers who are more used to fighting wars than talking about their emotions.

Gwen was no soldier.

She was bitter, hateful, and too prideful to let anything go.

Also, Thackeray was great at talking about how he was feeling with Gwen. Doesn't fit into your "Soldier" role.

Gwen is just a sandy... well. Never mind. Thackeray deserves better.... Miku, anyone?

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21 Nov 2010 at 02:42 - 5

Also, regarding Miku-- I like her. I think she's a cool character.

Even so, I don't think she's right for Thackeray, or he for her.

The things that most attracted Thackeray to Miku were the qualities she shared with Gwen, not the things that were unique to Miku herself. The temptation Miku offered was an easy answer, a simple escape, but that's not necessarily what would actually be best for him.

I think Miku could do better than being a cheap replacement for Gwen. I think she could do better than a man who's still totally stuck on someone else.

Miku helped Thackeray learn some lessons about himself, but he barely even knows her. I think his return to Gwen was inevitable, and I think in the long run he would regret doing what would have basically amounted to running away from his problems rather than facing them.

Sytherek

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21 Nov 2010 at 02:46 - 6

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Originally Posted by Darcy

I have to say that they have nailed a typical relationship theme in this story...

It may be "typical" in your world, but it certainly isn't healthy, or the norm, or even interesting when it's the only "romance" theme ANet seems to know.

I certainly wouldn't want someone like Gwen in charge of a military group! She's too emotional, too willing to risk people's lives for her personal agenda.

On the other hand, consider ANet's other "big" romance -- Stud Monk(ey) Mehnlo and Cynn the Insecure. Yuck.

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Originally Posted by Anakita Snakecharm

Miku helped Thackeray learn some lessons about himself, but he barely even knows her. I think his return to Gwen was inevitable, and I think in the long run he would regret doing what would have basically amounted to running away from his problems rather than facing them.

Perhaps.

On the other hand, I can see Thackeray remembering Miku fondly, very time Gwen barks an order about his hair...

In 30 years of marriage, my wife hasn't ONCE told me how to wear my hair (back when I HAD hair) -- nor have I told her what to do with hers. I did ask her to die it purple once, and we had great laughs...

Gwen COULD have asked him nicely about the pony-tail -- instead, she framed it as a demand. Childish and selfish... not a good basis for a relationship.

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21 Nov 2010 at 03:04 - 7

Has anyone considered that Thackeray may just be into that?
We're all assuming that he's interested in a typical relationship where both partners share equal status.
For all we know, they could have some rather kinky (and consensual!) S&M potential brewing there.
Just saying.

awry

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21 Nov 2010 at 05:50 - 8

Canthan fever. You could say Thackeray has caught it.

YEAAAH

Edit: but seriously, It's funny how people have changed from Thackeray doesn't deserve Gwen to the other way around so quickly. Sure Thackeray got some facial hair and let his hair down and now looks like a total stud...is manly enough to kill rotscale in a 2 man team... is responsible for financing 2 of my oppressor weapons... BUT BY GAWD, Gwen was there in presearing, when i was a total nub. She was one of the first npcs i met, one of the first heros I got and those memories of vqing tyrian zones with proph+eotn skills only with her aren't going to displace her in my heart for some beefcake with a one hit kill move.

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21 Nov 2010 at 05:50 - 9

Why bother hooking up with a mesmer if you're not prepared for mind games and a little abuse? It's obviously his cup of tea... that or he's dumb as a brick and will spend many cold nights curled up on the sofa and crying himself to sleep.

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21 Nov 2010 at 06:07 - 10

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Originally Posted by Deviant Angel

Why bother hooking up with a mesmer if you're not prepared for mind games and a little abuse? It's obviously his cup of tea... that or he's dumb as a brick and will spend many cold nights curled up on the sofa and crying himself to sleep.

Or maybe now she can finally feel the need to watch a sunset, or run barefoot in the woods, or swim in a river. (See Gwen and Thackeray, Dialogue 2)

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21 Nov 2010 at 09:24 - 11

I agree. I liked the Gwen who was in EotN and the BMP - hurt, angry, and through a lot of bad stuff. I cared for the character. There is a huge difference between that and the deranged maniac she is now. I like most of the War in Kryta and Hearts of the North writing, but I wish Gwen's psychotic behavior could be undone.

That said, I'm not completely unhappy with the new content, in fact I'm very grateful for the devs that they manage to throw new story our way every once in a while even though there are very few of them being assigned to GW1.

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21 Nov 2010 at 10:09 - 12

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Originally Posted by awry

Canthan fever...

Agreed. Miku was playful and flirtatious. Gwen is just indifferent towards Keiran at every turn. What's the divorce rate like in Tyria?

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21 Nov 2010 at 12:26 - 13

The funny thing about all this is, Gwen is under Thackery's spell more so than he is under hers. Thus her attitude. She doesn't like not being in control, so has to substitute it where she can.

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21 Nov 2010 at 13:49 - 14

Gwen should die horribly for being the most irritating and annoying NPC in the entire game.

and chuckles at Roulette's alternate dialogue

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21 Nov 2010 at 14:02 - 15

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BUT BY GAWD, Gwen was there in presearing, when i was a total nub. She was one of the first npcs i met, one of the first heros I got and those memories of vqing tyrian zones with proph+eotn skills only with her aren't going to displace her in my heart for some beefcake with a one hit kill move.

While i share your sentiment towards Gwen, i hate her as the in-game character she became. I played all the games in chronological order, but then, later, used Gwen as a hero a lot as well. I remember her dancing in that funny cape until she fell over. I like her story, but not her character.
It's not only limited to her attitude towards Thackeray for the whole time. I remember this cinematic to be the first moment when i started to dislike her, only to strengthen that feeling.

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21 Nov 2010 at 14:08 - 16

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Originally Posted by Aldric

Gwen should die horribly for being the most irritating and annoying NPC in the entire game.

and chuckles at Roulette's alternate dialogue

For some reason everyone forgets about Cynn.

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21 Nov 2010 at 15:51 - 17

Attraction doesn't follow any rules, and you can't fight it or make it happen on your own.

Miku is barely known, and while arguably "healthier" for him, ask yourself: Would I ever listen to someone who tells me, "X is bad for you, and I hate X anyway, you should date Y, because I approve!"?

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21 Nov 2010 at 16:08 - 18

Really annoying these threads.

How about the other side?

I loved Gwen when I first saw her. A nice, innocent child, one of the first NPCs you met on your own. She made me switch to "father" mode immediately, and I've always had a sweet spot for her. Every character made sure to help her get a new flute cape and all.

Seeing her in the Searing animation was the bit that drew in how bad the Searing was for the people. I was sure she had died, and sure made for extra motivation to kill Charr.

And then, years later, we get EotN.

I was so happy to see her when I started EotN. And so shocked to see what kind of girl she became. The BMP explained why she hates Charr so much (seeing co-captives eaten would leave psychic scars on anyone), and I was really worried about her. My general feeling was "What have you bastards done to my little girl!". Psychotic hatred of the Charr, keeping away from the rest of the Ebon Vanguard so as not to get attached and risk losing people she cares for...

And then, out of nowhere, comes Keiran. A determined young man, who not only was motivated to draw Gwen out of her shell, but who even had enough insight into Gwen's soul to actually make progress. And who seemed to actually realize this would not be an easy task and still had the patience to work on it.

I saw him for what he was - the best thing that had happened to Gwen in years. But the shut in Gwen was certainly not able to see this - would you really expect one in her psychic state to? She was certainly unsure, not wanting to open herself to pain again.

I was surprised when she rebuked him after the picnic invitation. I really was expecting to see her to accept from the earlier developments. "Oh, come on, Gwen, stop giving the poor guy such a hard time!"

I sure couldn't blame Keiran for volunteering to go aid the Krytans. And I didn't miss Gwen's crying when she left.

So, you know, not everyone sees the negative parts of Gwen as something that couldn't change.

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21 Nov 2010 at 16:18 - 19

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Originally Posted by Darcy

Well, to "chicks" it's the men who seem cooked in the head. It's called a lack of communication. But I have to say that they have nailed a typical relationship theme in this story. One side jumping ahead in leaps and bounds while the other side is still on step one. Reminds me of my late husband. He had told my whole family he was going to marry me before I had agreed to date him.

Agree to this. And Iuris Is making, well, honestly everything he has written above is how it should be seen... All the things he says about Gwen is NORMAL HUMAN physology and reactions to traumas...

It's all just a bunch of: OMG GWEN IS NOT LIEK I WANT HER TOO SHE MUST DIE IN HELL.

She isn't how you guys might want her but she is how a normal human being is, and would be after what she has gone trough. Gawd, this story isn't about a princess and a prince it's realistic and deep, it's drama, it's heroic. How they made Gwen in EoTN is how you all would be after being in war, having your mother killed, being enslaved, used as a pet for entertainment.

Gosh...

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21 Nov 2010 at 16:30 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

Really annoying these threads.

How about the other side?

So, you know, not everyone sees the negative parts of Gwen as something that couldn't change.

You have an excellent point. On top of that, people seem to forget: Gwen's maybe nineteen by this point, and she's been through hell. She's certainly not going to react to love and affection the same way as a normal, well-adjusted woman would.

So much Gwen hate in here. Don't hate the character, hate the way she's been written. It's like they implanted Cynn's personality onto Gwen at the end of things.

ANet gave us Mhenlo and Cynn, Koss and Melonni, and now Keiran and Gwen. I think there's a pattern there on how they approach romances. >.>

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21 Nov 2010 at 16:53 - 21

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Originally Posted by Elysea

ANet gave us Mhenlo and Cynn, Koss and Melonni, and now Keiran and Gwen. I think there's a pattern there on how they approach romances. >.>

Yeah, seems like any of the NPC romance story lines follow the "Bros and B****es" gold standard.

Because Mhenlo, Koss, and Keiran are mega-bros. And their women are... the other thing.

Sytherek

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21 Nov 2010 at 17:34 - 22

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Originally Posted by Nekodesu

Agree to this. And Iuris Is making, well, honestly everything he has written above is how it should be seen... All the things he says about Gwen is NORMAL HUMAN physology and reactions to traumas...

It's all just a bunch of: OMG GWEN IS NOT LIEK I WANT HER TOO SHE MUST DIE IN HELL.

She isn't how you guys might want her but she is how a normal human being is, and would be after what she has gone trough. Gawd, this story isn't about a princess and a prince it's realistic and deep, it's drama, it's heroic. How they made Gwen in EoTN is how you all would be after being in war, having your mother killed, being enslaved, used as a pet for entertainment.

Gosh...

Let's reverse the personalities, and see if you still approve. Let's say Keiran hides out in the Eye of the North, absorbed in his sorrow, growling at anyone who is kind, and ordering Gwen to change her haircut. Would you be so fond of that?

There's a vast difference between a "strong" person and what Gwen is. This is not drama, it's cheap theater by a company that couldn't write a healthy relationship to save its life. I see no drama in Gwen's attitude, because it doesn't grow or evolve -- in the end, after everything, she's still just plain nasty.

I'm not looking for Disney here -- I'm just sick of what ANet thinks passes for "dramatic romance."

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Originally Posted by Elysea

So much Gwen hate in here. Don't hate the character, hate the way she's been written. It's like they implanted Cynn's personality onto Gwen at the end of things.

I don't hate Gwen; I don't even object to her being bitter and angry when we first see her (again) at the Eye of the North. Such a story has great potential -- which ANet completely wasted by deciding she'd stay a self-absorbed emo, even after so many "learning" experiences.

What we got was Cynn Mark 2.

Can *anyone* defend how she ORDERED Keiran to change his hardo? Come on, how domineering and shrewish is that?

Her experiences haven't changed her at all; her little speech about growing and changing mean nothing.

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21 Nov 2010 at 17:48 - 23

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Originally Posted by Sytherek

Let's reverse the personalities, and see if you still approve. Let's say Keiran hides out in the Eye of the North, absorbed in his sorrow, growling at anyone who is kind, and ordering Gwen to change her haircut. Would you be so fond of that?

There's a vast difference between a "strong" person and what Gwen is. This is not drama, it's cheap theater by a company that couldn't write a healthy relationship to save its life. I see no drama in Gwen's attitude, because it doesn't grow or evolve -- in the end, after everything, she's still just plain nasty.

I'm not looking for Disney here -- I'm just sick of what ANet thinks passes for "dramatic romance."

To me, I sort of interpreted the closing parts of her last dialogue to be kind of playfully sarcastic. It definitely feels like she's opened up to Thackery, but it's still a little hard for her to let go of her snippy ways. I think everyone should wait until the actual wedding roles around. Once that happens, then we can start to decide whether or not the story ends with:

-and they lived happily ever after

OR

-and then she sues his ass for child custody

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21 Nov 2010 at 17:51 - 24

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Originally Posted by Cid Randell

Then go read a dramatic romance novel?

Part of a good RPG is a good story.

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21 Nov 2010 at 17:54 - 25

Just to remind. WiK and HotN are, lore-wise, after EotN. After Gwen was forced to work along with Pyre and, eventually, had to somewhat get used to him. After striking down some of the Charr leaders. After defeating a great and ancient threat from the underground, not without the help of other races, including her hated Charr. Finally, after meeting her mother in the Underworld.
Gwen's development is what we hate here. Despite everything that has happened, over time, she's still bitter, full of hatred, bitching around about everything, not willing to let a nice guy anywhere near her. Though she somehow show her affection and care in HoM after we find the items of HotN, her initial response to Keiran's proposal deserves nothing more but a /facepalm.

IlikeGW

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21 Nov 2010 at 18:00 - 26

What disappoints me is I thought they were building up to redeem these lame characters... and they did the opposite. Gwen is still a shrew who's not fit to be married, I hope Thackeray enjoys his balls cut off and kept in a jar. And Kieran... his revelations make no sense. He was already a mature person trying to get Gwen out of her shell... but he ultimately failed and decided to force himself on her after an emotional event. I don't know, nothing about it is very touching to me. Neither really had a complete story arc. We just had the wedding dumped on our laps all the sudden.

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21 Nov 2010 at 18:14 - 27

"You think you're the only one who has suffered? The only one who has lost family and friends to the charr?"
Our characters suffered much more than Gwen.She is just a little emo b....

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21 Nov 2010 at 19:14 - 28

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Originally Posted by MagnumShadow

Our characters suffered much more than Gwen.She is just a little emo b....

Really? We went on an adventure, she spent years in a slave camp.

Too many people want a movie romance. Like it's been said, it's probably closer to how a real-life, traumatized person and a head-over-heels other might play out. Life doesn't grant completeness or changing in character, and I'm honestly tired of "and they both said I love you, the end" arcs. That's utterly predictable and boring.

Besides, if you can't laugh along with some of this, you're taking it too seriously.

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21 Nov 2010 at 19:22 - 29

totally agreed. i have seen zero in the way of Gwen and Thackeray's talks to see how the guy would fall in love with her. It is amusing though for sure.

Sytherek

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21 Nov 2010 at 19:46 - 30

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

Really? We went on an adventure, she spent years in a slave camp.

Too many people want a movie romance. Like it's been said, it's probably closer to how a real-life, traumatized person and a head-over-heels other might play out. Life doesn't grant completeness or changing in character, and I'm honestly tired of "and they both said I love you, the end" arcs. That's utterly predictable and boring.

Besides, if you can't laugh along with some of this, you're taking it too seriously.

I'm not looking for storybook, or Disney romance.

I am looking for character development.

Oh... and in the real world, people do grow, change, and become more, overcoming challenges. I know women who've been through real world traumas that make Gwen's story seem like a walk in the park -- and some of them went on to be great people who moved beyond their hatreds and anger and traumas.

Gwen is not a great person. She is a self-absorbed emo who orders her betrothed to change his haircut. Yuck.

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21 Nov 2010 at 20:00 - 31

We've heard the same quote before.
"He's just so irritating" - Melonni about Koss

Gwen comes as a domination mesmer by default, so it's no wonder she's dominating Keiran's haircut decision. No need to Panic.

Shouldn't this be in the lore forum?

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21 Nov 2010 at 20:13 - 32

*Rewrites new disturbing lore about Thackery to stop the complaining about Gwen*

...in those last moments with the bound soul of Captain Langmar, Thackery realized once and for all that what he wanted was someone cold and unresponsive that he could control. Leading the living within the Vanguard didn't bring the same satisfaction as what he found from binding the souls of the recently departed. He tried reanimating their corpses, but that did not benefit from his expertise. He could now lead the helpless people of Kryta to reap the benefits of their inevitable doom against the superior forces of the Mantle. What had attracted him to Miku was only her killing prowess, but he could now share this with his beloved Gwen, if only he were to change completely... his secondary from Paragon to Ritualist. Besides, Tyria needed a greater hero than anything a shouting Ranger could have offered...

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21 Nov 2010 at 20:14 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

Oh... and in the real world, people do grow, change, and become more, overcoming challenges. I know women who've been through real world traumas that make Gwen's story seem like a walk in the park -- and some of them went on to be great people who moved beyond their hatreds and anger and traumas.

You know, I sort of agreed with you on some of your points, until you said that. That's wonderful that you've known women like that, but you forget some important things:

1. Gwen's fictional. The way she handles her hardships is based on the writers. Why don't you give the writers a chance to expand her character more? Give her the chance to grow?
2. Gwen's also nineteen, as in, not an adult. She's not going to react the same way as an adult would.
3. Not everyone reacts to trauma and abuse the same way, so please don't spout the, "Well, I know someone who got over it this way, so she's not doing it right," stuff. Seriously.

And yeah, this should probably be in the lore forum.

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21 Nov 2010 at 20:26 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sytherek

Oh... and in the real world, people do grow, change, and become more, overcoming challenges. I know women who've been through real world traumas that make Gwen's story seem like a walk in the park -- and some of them went on to be great people who moved beyond their hatreds and anger and traumas.

Gwen is not a great person. She is a self-absorbed emo who orders her betrothed to change his haircut. Yuck.

Wow...so you know someone who's had it worse than seeing their country burned down into nothing, living a quarter of their lives in a slave camp, and another quarter fighting a constant war?

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21 Nov 2010 at 21:05 - 35

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Originally Posted by Sytherek

Let's reverse the personalities, and see if you still approve. Let's say Keiran hides out in the Eye of the North, absorbed in his sorrow, growling at anyone who is kind, and ordering Gwen to change her haircut. Would you be so fond of that?

There's a vast difference between a "strong" person and what Gwen is. This is not drama, it's cheap theater by a company that couldn't write a healthy relationship to save its life. I see no drama in Gwen's attitude, because it doesn't grow or evolve -- in the end, after everything, she's still just plain nasty.

I'm not looking for Disney here -- I'm just sick of what ANet thinks passes for "dramatic romance."

If it was Keiran instead I would not see it any different, do you think I'm sexist or something? Perhaps the act would be different cause men react different in cases to trauma then women. Gwen is strong but she's traumatised. I don't see gwen going to a shrink anywhere.

Disney is good btw : )))

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21 Nov 2010 at 21:08 - 36

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21 Nov 2010 at 21:11 - 37

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Originally Posted by Dusk_

Wow...so you know someone who's had it worse than seeing their country burned down into nothing, living a quarter of their lives in a slave camp, and another quarter fighting a constant war?

Actually, yes, I do.

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21 Nov 2010 at 21:12 - 38

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Originally Posted by Sytherek

Actually, yes, I do.

I doubt this very much. Please, elaborate your worse case scenario.

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21 Nov 2010 at 21:15 - 39

Now now, let's all play nice when talking about pixels.

I dislike Gwen, a lot. Especially her attitude toward Pyre when they first meet.
And then the fact the she's is totally on the defensive because she's been through a lot. So has Eve, yet she likes to make jokes.
Gwen...she justs keep lamenting without moving on.

However concerning her romance with Keiran : I like it.
From dialogue 1 to 8 I really liked how it was going. Dialogue 9 she had her period...(sorry too easy to make that joke).

She's bitchy and thinks emotions are weaknesses. She meets us and finds people that actually care (it's not that the Ebon hates her, it's just that she is considered like any other soldiers) so she opens up a bit more.
Then comes Keiran and he tries to open her heart, it's kind of normal that she sort of reject him and has a hard time saying "I love you".

Quote:

Gwen: Well, you can leave me here long enough to go and get yourself cleaned up. I'm not going to marry you looking like you just crawled out of a hole. Oh, and Keiran?
Keiran Thackeray: What is it?
Gwen: You better not put your hair back in that stupid ponytail. I've never liked that thing.

She could have said it instead of making me laugh.

But if you pay attention, Keiran never said that he loved her either.

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21 Nov 2010 at 21:18 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elysea

1. Gwen's fictional. The way she handles her hardships is based on the writers. Why don't you give the writers a chance to expand her character more? Give her the chance to grow?

They've had several years and quite a bit of plot to do something. If anything, she's REGRESSED. I liked where she was at the end of EotN -- she'd come to grips with her traumas in many ways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elysea

2. Gwen's also nineteen, as in, not an adult. She's not going to react the same way as an adult would.

Depends on the 19yo, I guess. If she's that much of a child, she's going to have a tough time with marriage.

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Originally Posted by Elysea

3. Not everyone reacts to trauma and abuse the same way, so please don't spout the, "Well, I know someone who got over it this way, so she's not doing it right," stuff. Seriously.

She is supposed to be a LEADER, running an operation where people's lives are on the line. If she's such a child and emo, I think I know why the Ascalonians are eventually reduced to a single city (Ebonhawke) in a remote place...

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I doubt this very much. Please, elaborate your worse case scenario.

I know a young African woman whose home was destroyed, her family raped and butchered, herself maimed and left for dead; Her brother (at age 10) was forced to be a soldier, and killed. She is now a software engineer in Belgium, and a good friend. I met her through one of my books, which she was using as a text.

Believe what you will.